Ric Flair Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Ranieri will walk before the end of the season.
cheshamfox17 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Xen said: Sounds like last season, Ranieri was kept in check by the backroom staff. CR provided the tactics, but he also listened to the backroom staff (of which CS is the main man) telling him x,y,z about the players needs, scouting out the opposition etc. Sounds like Ranieri is doing his own thing right now and the disconnect is between him/his men and the 'legacy' backroom team. Shakey would take things back to basics, and turn us back into a solid, mid-table side similar to what we would've become under NP. Only difference really is that Shakey is a little more likable than NP was. Mid-table mediocrity for a few seasons would more than satisfy me, given the extremes we've had recently. We need to establish ourselves, and a man who has been here through it all, was basically co-Manager under NP, and gets on well with the playing staff is exactly what we need. Minimal turmoil if he was appointed as he's been here for ages, nothing fancy about him but he'll get th job done. He's certainly earned a crack at management, and we're in a position where it might actually be the best option for all parties. I honestly think its a massive massive jump from assistant to manager and I think it would be far too caviller to let Shakespeare take the job with 0 experience of being number one, I think it could quite quickly turn into a John Carver or Terry Connor situation where someone who is a trusted number two does a terrible job. This is absolutely not the time to throw someone in at the deep end, if we were to replace Ranieri, I think it would have to be with someone with at least some record of being a first team manager
Thracian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Dickov22 said: Because the players love him and they don't like Ranieri. I'd hope you're right but am not convinced. Maybe Ranieri would do the club a favour and stay at home for a week or two if only to give CS the chance being talked about. Always assuming he'd want it of course. Even if it went wrong it surely couldn't go more wrong than the current situation. After all - any Premiership goal scored in an entire month would go down as a plus.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, cheshamfox17 said: Take some bloody responsibility then, imagine at work if you blamed your boss for letting you slack off when you were having a performance review, ah sorry for going out clubbing until 4am gaffer but to be fair no one punished me harshly last time. These are grown up adult men where is their sense of personal responsibility We can say 'the players should do x, y or z' as often as we want, that is not going to make it happen. There has clearly been something seriously wrong behind the scenes for most of the season - what makes you think things are going to magically improve now? Sooner or later you have to start dealing with the situation as it exists in reality rather than the situation you would prefer existed. If the club sticks with Ranieri it is effectively choosing blind faith over action, which may be admirable but is also hugely risky. Let's hope it's the right decision.
sly1 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 These players need to shut up & get back playing less talk more action get on with it
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, sly1 said: These players need to shut up & get back playing less talk more action get on with it Do you believe there's any chance of that happening?
Thracian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 7 minutes ago, Xen said: Sounds like last season, Ranieri was kept in check by the backroom staff. CR provided the tactics, but he also listened to the backroom staff (of which CS is the main man) telling him x,y,z about the players needs, scouting out the opposition etc. Sounds like Ranieri is doing his own thing right now and the disconnect is between him/his men and the 'legacy' backroom team. Shakey would take things back to basics, and turn us back into a solid, mid-table side similar to what we would've become under NP. Only difference really is that Shakey is a little more likable than NP was. Mid-table mediocrity for a few seasons would more than satisfy me, given the extremes we've had recently. We need to establish ourselves, and a man who has been here through it all, was basically co-Manager under NP, and gets on well with the playing staff is exactly what we need. Minimal turmoil if he was appointed as he's been here for ages, nothing fancy about him but he'll get th job done. He's certainly earned a crack at management, and we're in a position where it might actually be the best option for all parties. That's more convincing! Especially the bit about getting back to basics...and Ranieri going blinkered. .
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 minutes ago, sly1 said: These players need to shut up & get back playing less talk more action get on with it Perhaps the manager needs to stop being a clueless dick and do the things that won us the ****ing league (sports science, training regimes, sports psychology, dietary requirements, digital match analysis) not his own shit that might have worked in 1997 but doesn't work in 2017. People don't seem to understand, football is not now as simple as going to training a running about for a few hours, there is a lot more to it these days, Ranieri does get it. Time for the old timer to take retirement.
evil jack Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 hours ago, AjcW said: You'd probably have been sacked on the spot and never worked in journalism again if you'd turned in an article that pitiful at The Times 10 years ago. Journalism is in the toilet. I couldn't agree more! "The training is too intense!" "He's too lenient!" Just make up any old shite, boys...
FLAN Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Listening to a podcast from 5 live last night. Aside from a psychologist who worked with Ranieri saying he'd seen changes in how he managed players there was an interesting point on how the season was framed. Ranieri started off with his 40 points mantra and maybe after winning the league the players wanted to set a higher standard. It's no excuse at all but maybe that was enough for them to lose faith in him as he showed no public faith in them continuing to perform at a higher level ?
Ricey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: It's a big IF Ricey? Do we know this for sure or is it more mindless speculation? It is speculation, but it would explain a lot.
Ric Flair Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 If the players really are against him now then Ranieri will walk within the next few weeks. He's done this before and although he'd waive away a few million, I think it'll happen. Which annoys me because for the sake of a few million the owners could agree for him to go now and they might just get someone in to save our season. This is all too familiar with doomed clubs and the fact we aren't making a ruthless decision is typical of the club. The whole place stinks right now. But don't forget to remember, we won the league last season.
WigstonWanderer Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I vaguely remember a few posts or perhaps a whole thread last season asking whether people would take relegation as the price of winning the league. If memory serves, the overwhelming feeling was that it would be a good trade. Of course no one expected it to happen. I don't think it is just the prospect of relegation that is so galling (frightening though it is), it's the meek way we seem to be surrendering without any of the fight of 2 seasons ago.
Koke Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I do wonder howand why Ranieri fell out with his backroom staff AND players? Surely such a supposed "nice man" can't fall out with so many people. As others have mentioned, Del Piero, Totti and Cambiasso also fell out with Ranieri. Worrying.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Koke said: I do wonder howand why Ranieri fell out with his backroom staff AND players? Surely such a supposed "nice man" can't fall out with so many people. As others have mentioned, Del Piero, Totti and Cambiasso also fell out with Ranieri. Worrying. It's not always about how nice you are. I've known some bad bosses who were clearly nice people - they'd just lost their team through some poor decisions and methods, and were resented as as result.
cheshamfox17 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 24 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Perhaps the manager needs to stop being a clueless dick and do the things that won us the ****ing league (sports science, training regimes, sports psychology, dietary requirements, digital match analysis) not his own shit that might have worked in 1997 but doesn't work in 2017. People don't seem to understand, football is not now as simple as going to training a running about for a few hours, there is a lot more to it these days, Ranieri does get it. Time for the old timer to take retirement. I don't think that's what the issue is, from all that I've read last season we did a lot less training than lots of other teams (Spurs do double sessions for example all the time and I don't think you can call their coach an old timer) I imagine that Ranieri reverted a bit to his initial thoughts, that teams should train more than we did last season, he probably began that incrementally but as things got worse and the players looked more and more sloppy he probably thought they needed to train more to get sharper and more focused. I'm sure Ranieri is doing all of those things you put in brackets and no one is suggesting his training methods are just to run about a bit hahahaha
norwichfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I'm desperately hoping that during those talks Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha said hey Claudio, don't worry, this week we will be getting you a top notch assistant with experience of managing a Premier League club in total turmoil. To make it easier for you as you clearly need a bit of a rest, he will take the training sessions, pick the team and stand in the dug out whilst you can relax with your friends in a corporate box on match days.....too much to hope for
Guest Danny Clender Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I really hope we are in this position because the players are training too much.
maddog Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 32 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said: Perhaps the manager needs to stop being a clueless dick and do the things that won us the ****ing league (sports science, training regimes, sports psychology, dietary requirements, digital match analysis) not his own shit that might have worked in 1997 but doesn't work in 2017. People don't seem to understand, football is not now as simple as going to training a running about for a few hours, there is a lot more to it these days, Ranieri does get it. Time for the old timer to take retirement. Calling the manager who presided over the greatest sporting achievement in history just 9 months ago a clueless dick is nothing short of disgraceful. You should be ashamed. Winning the league was an outlier undoubtedly and its given fans the warped perception that everything is now totally doomed when we are still in two cup competitions and not even in the relegation zone. 2017 has been pants so far but historical performance doesn't perfectly correlate to future performance. Who's to say we won't score a couple of goals, the players will then gain confidence, we'll win a game and then another and then another? Beat Millwall and draw Burnley at home in the quarters and get to Wembley? Even if we are humiliated by Sevilla that would be nice consolation wouldn't it? Not forgetting we have done amazingly well to even be in the Champions League in the first place. The mighty Spurs didn't even make it out of their 'easy' group. I am not one for blind optimism in cloud cuckoo land when things are clearly very bad, but this season is certainly far from over and could still finish very positively. Dilly ding dilly dong wake up there are reasons to be cheerful.
lcfcdamo Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I actually think we are going to win the fa cup and get relegated this season its the Leicester way
Gerard Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Ranieri sacks the sports psychologist and ignores the advice of the sports science team on training to trust his own judgement. This makes Ranieri sound like the Italian version of Harry Redknapp, a complete dinosaur and you can't run top professional clubs like that nowadays. It would be like you or I ignoring the electrician and the heart surgeon when they give you advice as despite this is their field of expertise you know better. The modern manager should be trusting the other experts in the club and limiting his role to tactics and managing the squad.
Foxhateram Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: Come on mate I've got young children. I leave the house at 7am and get back at 6, sometimes 7pm, 5 nights a week, I do this because it's what I need to do to earn the kind of money I want to earn. Professional footballers training regimes are a joke compared to full time jobs, they are normally done by 2pm, they get days off either side of matches a lot of the time, they get 6 weeks off in the summer, they are paid a kings ransom year round. No excuse at all, If it is at the stage it is tiring them out and effecting them or it is a regime not suited to this set of players then fine the club need to find a balance, but the "not enough time at home" rubbish is a complete non starter. Valid point. But if they are used to spending more time with family and won last year with less training you can see why they are questioning the need. Especially as the need for extra training is because of the poor pre season the club management set up. I'm not disagreeing with you at all! I leave for work at 7.30 and get home at 6 with more to do at home, hardly ever get quality time with my little one. But I can certainly see that if the players aren't listened to over the little things like this. Then it could lead to unrest. You have to remember they are used to a totally different life style to us. (Whether that is deserved or not is a different argument)
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, evil jack said: I couldn't agree more! "The training is too intense!" "He's too lenient!" Just make up any old shite, boys... There are a lot of contradictions in some of these supposed insider articles? Umm. i agree hideous journalism at its worst again
justfoxes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 hours ago, KFS said: Isn't it so hard having to train kicking a football around for 4 hours a day rather than 3 every other day... I'm on my second 4am alarm this week and I bet other FTers have even harder slogs to earn less money. This is is a matter of pride boys, something that drove us to the finish line last year. I'd fvcking love to be in that dressing room right now tearing into these prima donas. Footballers don't appreciate what they have! They play a game that they love once or twice a week and get more money in a few days that most of us get in a year, a bloody game of football and yet they whinge and whine if they have an extra training day that messes with their Xbox PS4 sessions! What they need to realise is they get paid superb amounts of money most of us could only dream of earning and to play crap because they have fallen out with Claudio is unacceptable if not bordering fraudulent by taking these wages from the club and refusing to play to their abilities if that is the case almost tantamount to throwing games to get Claudio sacked ? These guys need to understand how privileged they really are playing a game of football and getting paid such high wages when some of us work 40plus hours a week in my case i leave home at 7am and sometimes not home til after 8:30pm so I don't get a hell of a lot of time with my kids unlike the players I work for the NHS and do on calls nights weekends for a quarter a year of what Vardy earns in a week but it's a job I love too but unfortunately not paid as well as Vardy . So if this is so called player power playing in a way to get the manager sacked,then these guys if proven should be given the full amount of discipline that the premier league allows a club to throw at these individuals. And for them to say to the papers that Claudio has been far too soft on them is a joke ffs man up lads you're not only letting yourselves down but the club and most importantly the fans that follow you home and away whatever the distance the weather etcetc that is not an excuse that is the type of excuse a child would give! what a wonderful season 2015/16 was and I didn't expect us to mount a title defence but I actually thought we would give a good display of ourselves and try to achieve at least a top 10 finish to the season and not go down whinging whining and piss taking towards fans and owners as the players have in their pathetic attempt to get Claudio sacked ! MAN UP AND DO YOUR JOB STOP WHINGING AND WHINNING AND BITCHING TO EACH OTHER WE HAVE 13 GAMES LEFT TO SAVE OUR PREMIER LEAGUE SURVIVAL IF WE ARE GOING DOWN THEN LETS GO DOWN FIGHTING BUT FIGHT TO STAY IN THIS LEAGUE WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE FOXES NEVER QUIT ATTITUDE ?
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 11 minutes ago, foxhateram said: Valid point. But if they are used to spending more time with family and won last year with less training you can see why they are questioning the need. Especially as the need for extra training is because of the poor pre season the club management set up. I'm not disagreeing with you at all! I leave for work at 7.30 and get home at 6 with more to do at home, hardly ever get quality time with my little one. But I can certainly see that if the players aren't listened to over the little things like this. Then it could lead to unrest. You have to remember they are used to a totally different life style to us. (Whether that is deserved or not is a different argument) I'm pretty sure even they aren't so self entitled that they don't realise their hours are fcking fantastic even if they have increased and if they are they need to have a look at themselves, From the quotes it looks like it's how hard they are being made to work while they are there anyway.
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