MattCan Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 5 minutes ago, weller54 said: Think the Sevilla game /s have been given up as a lost cause.. Ranieri said it's all about PL survival now!.. I expect a weakened team to be put out in Sevilla and the home leg will be a non event after we're slaughtered there!.. The line up against Liverpool will be the telling one! I feel like I just had a bucket of ice cold water showered on me ...
Babylon Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 18 minutes ago, Babylon said: Guessing those saying it's the players and not Ranieri think Peter Taylor did the great job getting us top, but was ultimately let down by the players? Or do we think the signings were shit, he destroyed the team spirit and lost the players? I should add, I'm not suggesting it's entirely his fault or trying to compare the two. But the blind faith and refusal to accept he could be to blame is baffling.
Babylon Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 7 minutes ago, weller54 said: Think the Sevilla game /s have been given up as a lost cause.. Ranieri said it's all about PL survival now!.. I expect a weakened team to be put out in Sevilla and the home leg will be a non event after we're slaughtered there!.. The line up against Liverpool will be the telling one! What is a weakened team? Not sure anyone knows what the best team is now.
Guest Danny Clender Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Is the "weakened team" now the "strongest team" so which team lines up at Millwall? The team that used to be the "strongest team" but is now the "weakest team" but we're making changes, so that's now the "strongest team"? Then for Seville, this is now the 'weakest team that used to be a mix of the 'strongest team' with the changes from both "strongest teams' and 'weakest teams' with players who have been dropped or benched and now that is the actual "strongest team"? hmmmmm
Ollie93 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 IF you use the great escape season as a comparison to this season and just forget about winning the league for a moment, there are a few things to compare. Firstly in both seasons there have been long spells of absolute woeful dross that we call football. Secondly, it seems that neither manager really knew their best 11, constantly tinkering trying to find it. However, the difference is that we never got thrashed under Pearson, always looked like we had fight (bar that Villa game in the cup). Well we all know what happened at the end of that season. Now i'm not saying bring back Pearson at all, what Im saying is that the only main differences is the Manager and Walshy leaving. Pearson found a formation that worked and stuck to it, Ranieri isn't, he's obsessed with playing 4-4-2 with the same players. It's clear to me that there is no or was no Plan B, for when inevitably this would happen.
SpacedX Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 15 minutes ago, SecretPro said: That's it then, we are done here. Thanks for the memories everyone. Are you Ash Patel in disguise?
brookfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 6 minutes ago, MattCan said: I feel like I just had a bucket of ice cold water showered on me ... I'm assuming that's due to a general feeling of deflation and that you're not suffering from ALS.
The whole world smiles Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Whether you want Claudio gone or think he should stay you can not argue that this was the right move by the owner. I know football is a different world but in any walk of life if you have a workforce that are collectively and arguably deliberately underperforming in order to get their boss replaced then you are in serious trouble. Claudio answers to the owner, the players answer to Claudio. Deviate from that and the club just like any other place of work in the world is screwed.
Guest Danny Clender Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 9 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Definitely the latter. He'll play the 'players that got us here' regardless of form and we'll get dicked unless there is a money-incentive. The players will really turn on Ranieri if they don't get picked, you can just tell. isn't that what's been happening? So you reckon no change at all? That will be interesting from all perspectives.
Guest Danny Clender Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 4 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: Whether you want Claudio gone or think he should stay you can not argue that this was the right move by the owner. I know football is a different world but in any walk of life if you have a workforce that are collectively and arguably deliberately underperforming in order to get their boss replaced then you are in serious trouble. Claudio answers to the owner, the players answer to Claudio. Deviate from that and the club just like any other place of work in the world is screwed. In that scenario, who get's the sack? somebody has to go...
mozartfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Keith Vaz for DoF. He will uncover some Eastern European gems that will put some of this current lot to shame.
SecretPro Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 To me, this is a collective failure and blame should be proportioned evenly. The players, or at least a chunk of them, are no longer playing, they have lost concentration, motivation and belief, they are at loggerheads with eachother over wages etc, acting like spoilt brats. The backroom staff are clearly not getting enough say in things, they are now stuck between Ranieri and the players and the breakdown in communication is making organising match day tactics a logistical nightmare. Ranieri, he has either been too loyal to the players of last year or he is blind to the way we are playing without the direction from the staff that he may well have alienated. To change up the training routine and oust the phsychology part of the game seems ridiculously short-sighted to me, it shows a lack of moving with the times, a lack of understanding of how important the setup is and a lack of understanding of the game. The owners, being Thai has bought a lot of good moral aspects to the way this club is run but there really isn't room in the game for the level of loyalty they possess. Whether they are being blindsided by not getting to the full story, separating the needs and concerns of all at the club or what I don't know, but if they stick with this support for Ranieri, blindly, then they might just be marking the point of their own undoing. You would have thought after watching us battle through the league's they would be all too familiar with the hard work that is required to get to and stay at the top. They must know the significance of the setup that worked so well and who's dismantling is slowly becoming out undoing. If they are going to be ignorant to it then fine, but they should know that they will lose out financially and marketing wise and eventually their blind faith will lead to discontent with the fans and things could get oh so messy. IMO I think this definitely not sacking Ranieri till the end of the season is a dangerous and underwhelming statement of intent. They are putting the club at risk, whether the players or Ranieri are to blame doesn't appear to matter anymore, it's becoming a circus and it seems the owners have made up their minds. It's sad because change can reap rewards, often far more than loyalty. I blame the club as a whole, from the top to the bottom. The club feels hollow right now and devoid of guts and determination throughout and the culture it is breeding will not serve us well. Very sad times.
AjcW Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 You'd probably have been sacked on the spot and never worked in journalism again if you'd turned in an article that pitiful at The Times 10 years ago. Journalism is in the toilet.
MattCan Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 10 minutes ago, brookfox said: I'm assuming that's due to a general feeling of deflation and that you're not suffering from ALS. No, must be ALS: All Lost vs Sevilla.
SpacedX Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 17 minutes ago, Ollie93 said: IF you use the great escape season as a comparison to this season and just forget about winning the league for a moment, there are a few things to compare. Firstly in both seasons there have been long spells of absolute woeful dross that we call football. Secondly, it seems that neither manager really knew their best 11, constantly tinkering trying to find it. However, the difference is that we never got thrashed under Pearson, always looked like we had fight (bar that Villa game in the cup). Well we all know what happened at the end of that season. Now i'm not saying bring back Pearson at all, what Im saying is that the only main differences is the Manager and Walshy leaving. Pearson found a formation that worked and stuck to it, Ranieri isn't, he's obsessed with playing 4-4-2 with the same players. It's clear to me that there is no or was no Plan B, for when inevitably this would happen. I concede that It's far more complicated than this but Nige had a different philosophy, where often we set up to contain and not to lose, not simply against the bigger teams either - remember the flat back five at home to Hull? What changed at the end of March 2015 was when we went out and out attack. I remember the home game against Swansea in April and it was like watching a completely different team. Claudio has changed formation on many occasions this season with often disastrous results - the diamond away to Southampton immediately springs to mind (remember when Nigel did that too?) - and apparently at ridiculously short notice which has bemused and irked the players. He himself recently retorted in a pre-match interview that his players like to adhere to 4-4-2. I agree, there was evidently no contingency, no plan B - but in today's game you also need to quickly devise a Plan C, D, E, F and G.
ozleicester Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Has Claudio changed? Have the players changed?
The whole world smiles Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Danny Clender said: In that scenario, who get's the sack? somebody has to go... The ringleaders amongst the workforce, football works slightly differently though because of contracts and transfer windows but if you give power to the players by sacking Claudio, and letting them decide how they want to train and who their boss is then we are already relegated if not this season then next. I'm not saying doesn't deserve to go but start sacking managers on the players say so is an incredible dangerous thing to do.
surrifox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Big relief for the strugglers at the bottom of the league - one relegation spot sorted already by the look of it
davieG Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 As we're bottom of the u19s, the u23s and not far off the PL bottom have had a couple of awful transfer windows, a badly thought our pre season and back room staff leaving I'd suggest this is much more than a few stropey players not liking the manager. It surely goes much deeper than that.
ealingfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I certainly shan't be putting my money in anymore this season just to watch that clown get us routinely humiliated. Simply cannot believe so many people actually want us to go down just so they can pander to this view that Ranieri should stay forever because of something that makes literally zero difference to our current situation.
NewquayFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Our so called 'weaker team' is that the one that started V Swansea on Sunday?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 hours ago, ozleicester said: Players need to shut the fvck up and get on with playing PROPERLY!. THEY are the ones letting this club down, these players were able to win the league last year, this year they cant even win a game, thats not down to the manager. If they are pi$$ed off, they need to sort it out..but NOT by playing like a bunch of 6 year olds who cant string 5 passes together, IF the dressing room is lost, it STILL comes back to the PLAYERS! You dont stop playing... you dont stop trying, you show some pride and responsibility to your fans and get your ar$e out there and play up to your ability. If you are a player who is unhappy and not trying... then WALK AWAY, dont turn up on a Saturday and put in a half shift that is pi$$ poor and embarrassing for you and our club. Play properly.. or FVCK OFF! This this and this times 10 billion
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 The worst part for me is the powerlessness and lack of control over the situation. I'm expected to continue to support my football club (which I will), whilst I watch them all chuck it away like confetti at a wedding. The owners are too 'loyal' to do anything about Ranieri, the players clearly don't want to play for him, Ranieri is really clutching at any straw he can get hold of now and there are STILL 13 GAMES LEFT! I fear the people on here who demanded that Ranieri stay 'whatever', look like they have gotten their way and that we'll get relegated.
Callabinho Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Our football club is doomed. The love developed for Ranieri has helped him keep his job. The man is incompetent...these lads have pulled of miracles without him and I my opinion last season was largely down to them, not him. we won't pick up another point all season, it seems the owners are the only people standing behind Ranieri because I know for a fact that other people are not. Dark days lay ahead.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Daft from the chairman. ranieri with his usual my way or the highway bullshit changing a good thing. After reading that, I now lay all the blame on his door. Stubborn old man. Down we go on Claudio love train. The daft club who let him do what he wanted to. What the hell do you think you will achieve by staying Claudio? Be a ****ing man and resign. They don't like you, they won't play for you (like hundreds of your ex players) and after all these years, your judgement is crap! Clhb should drop all prices if we are having to accommodate a man on sentiment. Let us in for free out of sentiment.
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