esoog Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I'm with Gary Lineker on this. Rather the legend be written then we sack the manager who brought the city a miracle.
Foxhateram Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 So a lot of our players have young children in the family. Some of which are really little. So Claudio ups training days and therefore the dad's time with the family. I can completely understand the revolt. The sports science team recommend less training and he ignores them!? What the hell? That would probably explain why they looked half inched on the pitch. Overworked during the week so have nothing left for a game. Not listening to your staff and carrying on against their wishes is a sure fire way to unrest the camp. I have all due respect for him for last year, but what got us into a position to even contemplate that achievement was the incredible building of this club from the bottom. The sports scientists have worked with these players for 5 or 6 years now, surely they know them better than anyone. He has lost it! He has to go.
LCFC hub Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Will be an interesting summer that's for sure whether we stay up or go down.
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 minutes ago, foxhateram said: So a lot of our players have young children in the family. Some of which are really little. So Claudio ups training days and therefore the dad's time with the family. I can completely understand the revolt. The sports science team recommend less training and he ignores them!? What the hell? That would probably explain why they looked half inched on the pitch. Overworked during the week so have nothing left for a game. Not listening to your staff and carrying on against their wishes is a sure fire way to unrest the camp. I have all due respect for him for last year, but what got us into a position to even contemplate that achievement was the incredible building of this club from the bottom. The sports scientists have worked with these players for 5 or 6 years now, surely they know them better than anyone. He has lost it! He has to go. Come on mate I've got young children. I leave the house at 7am and get back at 6, sometimes 7pm, 5 nights a week, I do this because it's what I need to do to earn the kind of money I want to earn. Professional footballers training regimes are a joke compared to full time jobs, they are normally done by 2pm, they get days off either side of matches a lot of the time, they get 6 weeks off in the summer, they are paid a kings ransom year round. No excuse at all, If it is at the stage it is tiring them out and effecting them or it is a regime not suited to this set of players then fine the club need to find a balance, but the "not enough time at home" rubbish is a complete non starter.
Koke Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Even Lineker is spouting this shit. I'm tired of these people. Nobody is bigger than the club. Not Ranieri. Not Lineker.
Max Wall Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 hours ago, ozleicester said: Players need to shut the fvck up and get on with playing PROPERLY!. THEY are the ones letting this club down, these players were able to win the league last year, this year they cant even win a game, thats not down to the manager. If they are pi$$ed off, they need to sort it out..but NOT by playing like a bunch of 6 year olds who cant string 5 passes together, IF the dressing room is lost, it STILL comes back to the PLAYERS! You dont stop playing... you dont stop trying, you show some pride and responsibility to your fans and earn your wages and get your ar$e out there and play up to your ability. If you are a player who is unhappy and not trying... then WALK AWAY, dont turn up on a Saturday and put in a half shift that is pi$$ poor and embarrassing for you and our club. Play properly.. or FVCK OFF! Totally agree with a small addition.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 24 minutes ago, Ricey said: If he is ignoring the advice of the coaching staff and sports science team then that is madness and would explain why we aren't anywhere near as fit this season as we were last season. He needs to trust the experts that made us the fittest and most injury free team for two seasons running. It's a big IF Ricey? Do we know this for sure or is it more mindless speculation?
Wdywd Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 We've had more games this season than last, we've had far fewer full weeks off. Obviously there's gonna be more work, you can't just **** off for two weeks like we did after Arsenal last year around this time because we've got two cup matches in that time. I have sympathy with some players who maybe aren't on big money seeing some of the guys with flashy new contracts performing absolute shit and playing all the time, but I really don't if people are unhappy at not being allowed to go to Dubai and get smashed in the middle of the season like last year.
norwichfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 FFS we're doomed, there's no justification to keep him after Sunday even if it is caused by back stabbing players sadly. Can we get the psychiatrist back to see Ranieri, maybe hypnotise him before team selection. If the reports are correct regarding extra training, then that's 1 tick on Ranieri plus side. I expect there's some kiddies seies on in thew afternoon they don't like missing, and as for unrest regarding salaries, wow, I wish I'd have had such a poor salary whilst I was working....even those at the lower end of the scale in the first team are getting a weekly wage equal to or better than what used to be my annual earnings, and if I didn't perform properly I'd have been out the door. I didn't particularly like my manager as a person, but I respected the fact that he was my manager.
WigstonWanderer Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 9 minutes ago, norwichfox said: FFS we're doomed, there's no justification to keep him after Sunday even if it is caused by back stabbing players sadly. Can we get the psychiatrist back to see Ranieri, maybe hypnotise him before team selection. If the reports are correct regarding extra training, then that's 1 tick on Ranieri plus side. I expect there's some kiddies seies on in thew afternoon they don't like missing, and as for unrest regarding salaries, wow, I wish I'd have had such a poor salary whilst I was working....even those at the lower end of the scale in the first team are getting a weekly wage equal to or better than what used to be my annual earnings, and if I didn't perform properly I'd have been out the door. I didn't particularly like my manager as a person, but I respected the fact that he was my manager. Most, if not all of them are earning as much in a year as I've earned in a lifetime. Really no need for petty jealousies and such insatiable greed (if rumours are true of course).
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 15 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: It's a big IF Ricey? Do we know this for sure or is it more mindless speculation? There have been reports from various sources that he has sidelined his own staff this season and decided to do things his own way. On Sunday the commentators observed that Ranieri was so isolated on the touchline and Shakespeare was confined to the bench, whereas last year Ranieri and Shakespeare were regularly involved in touchline discussions. The players DO look a lot less fit than last season - this could be an explanation. When asked about the spirit in the camp in post-match interviews, the players look shifty and evasive. Clearly, something has gone deeply wrong behind the scenes. Obviously the players have to take their fair share of the blame. But it's astonishing that some people are so determined to exempt Ranieri from all blame that they won't even countenance the possibility that he may have tried to change things too much behind the scenes and consequently messed everything up. He is the manager. It's his job to create the conditions that lead to success. The fact that the players are performing so poorly, look out of shape and are clearly miserable must have something to do with him.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Most, if not all of them are earning as much in a year as I've earned in a lifetime. Really no need for petty jealousies and such insatiable greed (if rumours are true of course). In all work environments, people compare themselves to those around them. If the person sitting next to you earns 3x as much and you feel you deserve more, that's going to gnaw at you even if your salary is very good compared to the average person's. It's human nature.
reynard Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 59 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Yes it is down to the manager. I'm fed up of seeing "it's the players". They do take blame, yes, but ultimately they are managed. I've said all season there is a lack of effort, desire and motivation..... if the manager cannot motivate them then there is an underlying problem. The players have performed poorly but then the manager has constantly picked the same team every week. What's that say to them? The likes of Morgan and Vardy can't seem to do anything wrong to get dropped. The manager also sets up the team, sets up set pieces (which we are very bad at), selects the style of play.... This huge drop from top of the league to relegation battle is down to the manager and any other manager would have been sacked by now for this huge drop. Thank you. I was starting to think I was just about the only one who sees it this way. I think the context can be expanded here. Go back to the start of the season and yes it wasn't great but it wasn't awful either. The away form was poor but decent results against Swansea and Burnley at home as well as Porto and Bruge away really didn't hint at such a catstrophic collapse. Something or many things have happened to result in where we are today. As fans we don't really know but it is clear that the chemistry between the players and the manger doesn't exist. I don't know if he sacked the psycholgist but if he did why? What harm was he doing. If the training and fitness preparation which worked so well last season has been changed by the manager then again why? Being a footballer is not like a normal job but management at all levels is key to perfomance. We've recently had managerial changes. The changes they have made have been small and seem on the surface insignificant. However, they have resulted in uncertainty and decisions made no longer happen with the same ease of flow as the once did. It is harder to get motivated though personal pride keeps me going. Here is where I do blame the players. They should step up the plate for themselves and for the legacy they wish to leave. Ultimately though poor management in whatever sphere can be undermining and mentally debilitating. Just a disgrace we have reached the depths we are now in such a quick time.
CosbehFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 44 minutes ago, Ricey said: If he is ignoring the advice of the coaching staff and sports science team then that is madness and would explain why we aren't anywhere near as fit this season as we were last season. He needs to trust the experts that made us the fittest and most injury free team for two seasons running. This has been the worrying part of the rumours for me. The story about the late tactical change in Copenhagen as well does not help get players on your side. There's a combination of factors at a play but ignore our best asset is poor.
RowlattsFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Football is crying out for more loyalty but its unfortunate that it is probably going to send us down. People like Demari Gray are showing the rest up though, he's giving it is all in recent weeks despite whats going on in the changing room and is being let down by his team mates.
CosbehFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 21 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: It's a big IF Ricey? Do we know this for sure or is it more mindless speculation? The detail in which the Guardian and the Telegraph articles went into say there's truth. You don't get that level of detail without it coming from a good source.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: There have been reports from various sources that he has sidelined his own staff this season and decided to do things his own way. On Sunday the commentators observed that Ranieri was so isolated on the touchline and Shakespeare was confined to the bench, whereas last year Ranieri and Shakespeare were regularly involved in touchline discussions. The players DO look a lot less fit than last season - this could be an explanation. When asked about the spirit in the camp in post-match interviews, the players look shifty and evasive. Clearly, something has gone deeply wrong behind the scenes. Obviously the players have to take their fair share of the blame. But it's astonishing that some people are so determined to exempt Ranieri from all blame that they won't even countenance the possibility that he may have tried to change things too much behind the scenes and consequently messed everything up. He is the manager. It's his job to create the conditions that lead to success. The fact that the players are performing so poorly, look out of shape and are clearly miserable must have something to do with him. Who is trying not to blame Ranners at all? he has continually admitted he has made mistakes with tactics and loyalty to certain players beyond their worth and I would definitely concur Ranieri has made mistakes without a shadow of a doubt however is anyone really that deluded to think the players aren't a tincy wincy bit to blame? god help us and flipping quick up the Foxes.
foxfanazer Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Never really liked the premier league anyway! At least football on 5 is on earlier than MOTD
The Guvnor Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: There have been reports from various sources that he has sidelined his own staff this season and decided to do things his own way. On Sunday the commentators observed that Ranieri was so isolated on the touchline and Shakespeare was confined to the bench, whereas last year Ranieri and Shakespeare were regularly involved in touchline discussions. The players DO look a lot less fit than last season - this could be an explanation. When asked about the spirit in the camp in post-match interviews, the players look shifty and evasive. Clearly, something has gone deeply wrong behind the scenes. Obviously the players have to take their fair share of the blame. But it's astonishing that some people are so determined to exempt Ranieri from all blame that they won't even countenance the possibility that he may have tried to change things too much behind the scenes and consequently messed everything up. He is the manager. It's his job to create the conditions that lead to success. The fact that the players are performing so poorly, look out of shape and are clearly miserable must have something to do with him. Some very good points and when you are managing any close knit team if things have got that bad it is extremely difficult to turn things around.
lgfualol Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, RowlattsFox said: Football is crying out for more loyalty but its unfortunate that it is probably going to send us down. People like Demari Gray are showing the rest up though, he's giving it is all in recent weeks despite whats going on in the changing room and is being let down by his team mates. Dem knows he has the quality to go on to better things. Can't imagine he is on that much a week either. He is like the opposite of the others.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: The detail in which the Guardian and the Telegraph articles went into say there's truth. You don't get that level of detail without it coming from a good source. I wouldn't trust newspapers ever in fairness london media mafia trying to unsettle things as usual more like
dylanlegend Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 This suggests the owners can afford relegation, which is good news. Unfortuanteky, if we go down I don't know whether CR is the man to take up back up. Maybe at the end of the season they (owners) may say what CR has had to say this week "we've been too loyal"
CosbehFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said: I wouldn't trust newspapers ever in fairness london media mafia trying to unsettle things as usual more like Both journalists who published are based in the Midlands
RowlattsFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I'm pretty confident Ranieri will go in the summer, stay up or go down. Just hope we somehow manage to survive.
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