Thracian Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 48 minutes ago, Marvin said: It would be a huge shame to see Ranieri sacked but getting relegated would be even worse. Even if Craig Shakespear became caretaker I would suddenly feel quite confident about our survival. I do buy into the one season wonder theory for Ranieri. if ever we needed a fresh start it is now. What makes you believe CS would make a positive difference?
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Bob Weasel Fox said: I wouldn't trust newspapers ever in fairness london media mafia trying to unsettle things as usual more like Believe it or not, the 'London media mafia' do not have a vendetta against us or are part of a secret plot to get us relegated. That kind of thinking is just hysterical paranoia. Journalists do actually try to get to the bottom of stories, they have contacts within clubs and they are often correct in what they write. To just dismiss any story because it's been printed in a newspaper is ridiculous.
Wymsey Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 As long as he's willing to change things and not let players like Vardy give up on chasing etc, then fine.
norwichfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: Believe it or not, the 'London media mafia' do not have a vendetta against us or are part of a secret plot to get us relegated. That kind of thinking is just hysterical paranoia. Journalists do actually try to get to the bottom of stories, they have contacts within clubs and they are often correct in what they write. To just dismiss any story because it's been printed in a newspaper is ridiculous. Sun...Mail, I rest my case
Tuna Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 I was gung ho for Claudio to be dismissed on Sunday night, but that's a reaction to a terrible result and performance. We've gone from fearless to fearful because he won't change the team around. It was daft to reinstate some of the losers who have been stinking the place out for so long. Keeping them in the side just adds to the fear and every defeat their fragile confidence dips again. We've seen rumours that Drinkwater, Huth, Morgan, Fuchs, Vardy and Mahrez are set for the chop. I'm not 100% that Mahrez should be out of the team but this is what we need, strong leadership and making the right decisions. I feel he's been too loyal to these players. It seems now he's finally realized that he needs to mix it up a bit. Go for the hungry players who are desperate for a chance. Amartey, Chilwell and Kapustka offer more than Fuchs, Huth and Albrighton right now. Ranieri is being judged on his stubbornness with team selection and tactics. He's got one final opportunity now to form a cohesive unit from the players in 2 cup matches ahead of the run in. He deserves that opportunity to have one final go.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, norwichfox said: Sun...Mail, I rest my case Even those newspapers often print true stories, and the Sun in particular gets loads of scoops that turn out to be accurate. Yes, they both publish more than their fair share of horse excrement too, but that doesn't make everything they print wrong. Besides, the stories about things going wrong behind the scenes at Leicester are coming from much more highly regarded and reliable sources.
Raw Dykes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Right. Now I'm even more sure that we're done. There are clearly some serious, fundamental problems with the club that I strongly doubt will be fixed before the manager and a number of players are out the door. I think it's safe to say that the players aren't playing for the manager, and that the manager doesn't have the best relationship with his staff. If we're two thirds through the season in this situation and the manager has been promised he won't be fired, then I can't see how we can avoid relegation. It seems there are a lot of fans who want to place all the blame on the players. Why? Should the players get all the credit for winning the title? I don't think they should. Part and parcel of accepting the job of manager/head coach is taking responsibility, is it not? The reason the manager should take so much credit for such a monumental achievement like last season's success is the same reason he should take the blame for the catastrophe that this one is. I don't think we could be managed any worse than this. The only positive I can take from this shambles of a league campaign, is that it will serve as an example to any other similar sized or smaller club who might achieve a similar feat to ours in future. This club wrote a story that gave hope to every club outside the elite few. It would have been legendary had it ended with the title win. Now, it's going to bear a striking resemblance to the story of Icarus, and the meaning is flipped on its head. You can't rest on your laurels. You can't go handing out giant contracts and free sports cars to the players. You can't let them think they're untouchable. The most crucial thing is to keep the harmony and spirit that won you the trophy in the first place. If that means letting star players leave, so be it. Sure, we would have been furious had Vardy and Mahrez left in the summer, but now we have hindsight, it would have been better to take the money and run. Not that I trust the club to invest it wisely any more. I know people hate "I told you so"s and doom merchantry, but I want to warn everyone to brace themselves. I seriously think there are some tough times ahead. This won't be any old relegation.
CosbehFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 4 minutes ago, norwichfox said: Sun...Mail, I rest my case Both articles came from well regarded Guardian and Telegraph
BenTheFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 4 hours ago, ozleicester said: Players need to shut the fvck up and get on with playing PROPERLY!. THEY are the ones letting this club down, these players were able to win the league last year, this year they cant even win a game, thats not down to the manager. If they are pi$$ed off, they need to sort it out..but NOT by playing like a bunch of 6 year olds who cant string 5 passes together, IF the dressing room is lost, it STILL comes back to the PLAYERS! You dont stop playing... you dont stop trying, you show some pride and responsibility to your fans and get your ar$e out there and play up to your ability. If you are a player who is unhappy and not trying... then WALK AWAY, dont turn up on a Saturday and put in a half shift that is pi$$ poor and embarrassing for you and our club. Play properly.. or FVCK OFF! The thing is though, this is common throughout Ranieri's career. He'd have a good first season and then the players start to turn. Up until now these players have shown great application since being at the club. If they're turning on the manager then I'm inclined to believe there's a good reason for it. I understand that thwy should still have the professional pride to turn up and put a shift in, but Ranieri has had altercations in the past and with better than what we've got.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 12 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Believe it or not, the 'London media mafia' do not have a vendetta against us or are part of a secret plot to get us relegated. That kind of thinking is just hysterical paranoia. Journalists do actually try to get to the bottom of stories, they have contacts within clubs and they are often correct in what they write. To just dismiss any story because it's been printed in a newspaper is ridiculous. So you believe everything you read in papers? i dont
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said: So you believe everything you read in papers? i dont I can easily believe this particular article, with little difficulty.
norwichfox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 11 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Both articles came from well regarded Guardian and Telegraph If you read what I highlighted and my comment, it had nothing to do with the source of the articles
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said: I can easily believe this particular article, with little difficulty. Maybe Pabbers but I definitely DONT believe everything that is written In the papers
smr Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 What an absolute fairy tayle this would be if we started playing with the same hunger and spirit as last season from here on in and ended 14th or higher. C'mon lads, sort it out !
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Why do the players get so much stick? And blind faith to a clueless clown? These guys (not one man) won us the league playing in a modern, well managed club, as professionals they want to see that continue, what is the problem? If a some old-school joker comes in and you can see he is taking away everything which built the club, do they not have a right to be upset? If this clown has taken away the sports science, the sports psychology, and the dietary team and increased the whip cracking removing the lighter training regimes which supported a high intensity game. He has taken away the sound footings of this club. I am sorry but Claudio Ranieri is an absolute fraud, its clear now he won the league on Nigel Pearsons set up, this man is as clueless as Peter Taylor, the damage he has done will take a long time to recover from. The owners have backed the wrong single horse (which is actually a lame donkey), and now will cause many years of disharmony, none of these players will want to play for this club anymore now they have been trashed for a clueless overpaid charlatan. No man is bigger than the club but now its seems this one man is and he is taking us down and we are not coming back for a very long time.
ClaphamFox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Just now, Bob Weasel Fox said: So you believe everything you read in papers? i dont Of course not. But to disbelieve every single story they publish would be equally stupid. I know a lot of people will find it hard to believe, but the vast majority of stories you read in newspapers will be sourced from somewhere. Individual newspapers may choose to print certain types of stories because they fit their agenda - eg, the Daily Mail and asylum seeker stories, etc - and report them in a certain way designed to appeal to their readers. But usually the stories will have some basis in reality. If newspapers just made all the stories they publish, they would all go out of business very quickly because nobody would read them and they'd be getting sued for millions every week.
Dickov22 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 20 minutes ago, Thracian said: What makes you believe CS would make a positive difference? Because the players love him and they don't like Ranieri.
Ric Flair Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Hahahaha so on one hand he's too hard on them in training but off the field he lets them get away with anything? Jesus, what do these players want?
Xen Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 18 minutes ago, Thracian said: What makes you believe CS would make a positive difference? Sounds like last season, Ranieri was kept in check by the backroom staff. CR provided the tactics, but he also listened to the backroom staff (of which CS is the main man) telling him x,y,z about the players needs, scouting out the opposition etc. Sounds like Ranieri is doing his own thing right now and the disconnect is between him/his men and the 'legacy' backroom team. Shakey would take things back to basics, and turn us back into a solid, mid-table side similar to what we would've become under NP. Only difference really is that Shakey is a little more likable than NP was. Mid-table mediocrity for a few seasons would more than satisfy me, given the extremes we've had recently. We need to establish ourselves, and a man who has been here through it all, was basically co-Manager under NP, and gets on well with the playing staff is exactly what we need. Minimal turmoil if he was appointed as he's been here for ages, nothing fancy about him but he'll get th job done. He's certainly earned a crack at management, and we're in a position where it might actually be the best option for all parties.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Dickov22 said: Because the players love him and they don't like Ranieri. They need to fvcking grow up then.
Guest Lako42 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Hang on a minute. Training is way more intense this year because of Claudio yet half the players are nowhere near as fit or have gained weight......mmmmmm
foxy boxing Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 so from Champions to Championship. it is now going to be a scrap of their lives for the players and manager from now until the end of the season. it's not going to be pretty and it's going to get a hell of a lot scarier for the fans not knowing if we can survive or not! Claudio now has to work really hard and get the players working hard on the training field and remind the players that they are playing for their Premier league futures and that they will be really letting themselves down if they don't turn up in games and do the job that they are well paid to do. loyalty should go out the window and it is about picking players on form and ones with hunger and determination.
cheshamfox17 Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 Quote "Other players feel that he has been too lenient in allowing them to enjoy themselves too much away from football when he should have been more of a disciplinarian" Take some bloody responsibility then, imagine at work if you blamed your boss for letting you slack off when you were having a performance review, ah sorry for going out clubbing until 4am gaffer but to be fair no one punished me harshly last time. These are grown up adult men where is their sense of personal responsibility
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 14 February 2017 Posted 14 February 2017 1 hour ago, Kitchandro said: Oh right. Cos you were so supportive of him before! Fair point. But it what is the point of him? He's tried his way for his entire career and failed. He's like a moth attracted to a light bulb, keeps getting burnt but thinks the next time will be different. It doesn't work Claudio! He's pissed off bigger players than Jamie Vardy before! The moment he leaves will be when we have a future again. Cant manage. Can't control. No good.
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