Johnny Giles puts boot into Claudio

[desertfox2]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Could have done without the Dilly Ding Dilly Dong cringy bollocks though.

Took focus off the players at the time though. One of many Ranieri qualities is that he's very clever in the way he handles the press and they love him clearly. Just a shame the players stopped playing for him but that's football. Very few managers can stay at 1 club for a very long time. Partly due to the Chairman's these days and partly because it is hard to keep players motivated by the same person for so long.

[shen]

10 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

Took focus off the players at the time though. One of many Ranieri qualities is that he's very clever in the way he handles the press and they love him clearly. Just a shame the players stopped playing for him but that's football. Very few managers can stay at 1 club for a very long time. Partly due to the Chairman's these days and partly because it is hard to keep players motivated by the same person for so long.

Except they didn't. There is no proof any of them did.

[desertfox2]

1 minute ago, shen said:

Except they didn't. There is no proof any of them did.

Whole season of proof and then the Liverpool game. 

 

They certainly played like they couldn't be arsed for most of the season. And then went back to last season's effort levels against Liverpool. 

[shen]

1 minute ago, desertfox2 said:

Whole season of proof and then the Liverpool game. 

 

They certainly played like they couldn't be arsed for most of the season. And then went back to last season's effort levels against Liverpool. 

I disagree. I find it too simplistic a conclusion.

[Finnaldo]

Just now, desertfox2 said:

Whole season of proof and then the Liverpool game. 

 

They certainly played like they couldn't be arsed for most of the season. And then went back to last season's effort levels against Liverpool. 

 

Or was the lack of a productive preseason, refusal by Ranieri to play the high press, increase in training that didn't suit the player's needs (as seen by puffing out their arse on Monday) and tinkering with a highly efficient backroom setup proof Ranieri to blame?

 

Of course the idea that Ranieri didn't want to play the high press is just speculation. But so is this conspiracy the players suddenly decided they hated Claudio so much they'd stop playing and almost crush the only chance that most of these players will ever have at Champion's League football in their careers, which is bizarrely taken as solid fact.

[BenTheFox]

Didi Hamann on MOTD2 'just because he was the right man last season doesn't mean he's the right man to keep them up'. Have to agree with him on that.

[Manwell Pablo]

34 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

Whole season of proof and then the Liverpool game. 

 

They certainly played like they couldn't be arsed for most of the season. And then went back to last season's effort levels against Liverpool. 

 

Your problem here, and one a lot of people on here seem to suffer from, is Claudio Ranieri has himself, said publicly, his team were doing exactly what he was telling them to do. He has even publicly admitted to telling Jamie Vardy not to press high up. So according to the manager at least, this apparent laziness was tactical.

 

These are not strange tactics to see from Ranieri, he has a habit of playing very defensive football at certain intervals as much as he does playing high pressing 4-4-2, at Valencia is very much the latter, but at Roma towards the end their side very closely resembled what we were seeing from our side, very defensive football, poor results, division in the dressing room as fell out with Totti over personnel selection......any of this sounding familiar? 

 

 

[em9999]

Please I hope none of you find this offensive

 

 

Ranieri had the Brian Clough effect but in the second season.. a delayed effect ..

 

You do not change a title winning team or its work ethics.. Ranieri was a fool to himself.. last season Leicester where superb brilliant fantastic.. or any other superlative I can throw at you

 

Ranieri saw fit to try his own way this season and failed miserably.. he got what he deserved

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Johnny Giles = piles, arse hole.

[foxaholic]

55 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

Whole season of proof and then the Liverpool game. 

 

They certainly played like they couldn't be arsed for most of the season. And then went back to last season's effort levels against Liverpool. 

How many would they have beaten Man City or Arsenal by if they had been trying  /           

[Stadt]

He'll always be a legend here and we'll always love him but when you consider the clubs he's managed one league title is actually a poor return. I don't think he's a poor coach because he's consistently got jobs at big clubs and performed reasonably well but undoubtedly he's underachieved in his career.

[Bunyip]

Not singing in the rain ?

[Captain...]

Ranieri did amazingly last season as did every player involved, nobody can take that away from him. 

 

Likewise, this season he has been shite, as have a lot of the players can't deny that and taking his performance this season in isolation he deserved to be sacked. Taking last season into account that makes his efforts this season even worse. He had a title winning side at his disposal a side he knew how to make successful, yet turned them into relegation fodder.

 

2015/16 Ranieri rightfully coach of the year.

 

2016/17 Ranieri rightfully sacked

[BenTheFox]

12 minutes ago, Wookie said:

He'll always be a legend here and we'll always love him but when you consider the clubs he's managed one league title is actually a poor return. I don't think he's a poor coach because he's consistently got jobs at big clubs and performed reasonably well but undoubtedly he's underachieved in his career.

The fact that he couldn't win the league with Juventus, Roma, Inter Milan, Valencia, Chelsea, Monaco etc. but could win the league with Leicester City does make you wonder how good the setup was here when he'd arrived. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Again....if Pearson was such a genius how come we were bottom for so long? He was clearly tactically inept at this level and if you're going to make assumptions about what formation he would have picked, I'm happy enough to make the prediction that he preferred the attacking football only in a last ditch attempt to keep us up, and not because he believed in it long term. I'm pretty sure he'd have reverted back to type the following season because he just doesn't have the ambition to play more expansive football.

Perhaps you should refer to my other reply.

 

Firstly, I' don't think I've ever called Pearson a genius and I've already answered your question about being bottom previously. It's not an assumption either, it's come straight from the player he signed and was posted on here some time ago. You're the one making assumptions about what football he would have played. Didn't have the ambition for expansive football... perhaps you need to look back at our last couple of championship seasons under him. That was pretty expansive.

 

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Basically, we only started to play attacking, almost gung-ho football at the end of the season because we were going down and absolutely desperate. He threw caution to the wind - there's an argument he took other people's advice on that - certainly he had no interest in that style of football for the 6 months we were bottom, despite what he was doing before clearly not working.

Nobody has said otherwise. 

 

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Pearson didn't tell Ranieri to play 4-4-2/4-4-1-1, or to pick Albrighton, or to replace the full backs, or to stick to positive football (Pearson didn't even stick to it after the Man U 5-3 game when things were working for him). He had his own ideas and we took off straight away.

Had his own ideas that mirrored much of what went before.

 

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

You can criticise Ranieri for picking Inler over Kante but unlike Pearson it didn't take him 6 months to acknowledge his mistakes. Obviously this season has been the complete opposite but I'm talking about his influence on last season, not his errors in this.

I listed plenty of positive things that he'd done.. how about reading.

 

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

The fact that people seem not be able to grasp is that Ranieri won the league, Pearson didn't. Despite having a lot of positive things in place, which I will always respect Pearson for, he managed to make them hugely underachieve.

And what you don't seem to grasp is that he only did so thanks to all the positive things Pearson and the owners put in place, because of the learning curve we'd already had, because the signings Walsh made, whilst adding his own input. 

 

It's not like he walked into a club Pochettino style and changed the whole style and culture of the club. He said it himself, he kept almost everything the same, his words. He was exceptionally lucky to walk into what he got, just as we were lucky that the input he gave was exactly what we needed at the time.

 

It's not fair for anyone to try and take the credit away from him, he did it end of story. But it's also ludicrous for people to put the whole success at his door, it's just not the case, he's no more part of it than Pearson, Walsh, Shakey, the Owners etc.

 

[Webbo]

Has this been posted yet?

 

http://neillcollins.com/lost-the-dressing-room/

[seenitall]

Is this the same Claudio Ranieri that won his Champions League group at a canter and was well placed for the return leg with Sevilla in the last 16? The one who won the league against literally all the odds of all time last season? the one who for all you know's team would have done the same against Liverpool on Monday (if the 2nd half against Seville was anything to go by)? Giles is a twonk - take a look at legends like Klopp, Guardiola and even the chosen one to see how hard it actually is to achieve what we have done - they all had better teams and more money than Claudio and can't get close - Wenger will never do it again.

 

We would not have gone down IMO and we have made ourselves look like a bunch of twats - I felt sick to my stomach to see Drinkwater and Vardy actually trying again after a season of being piss poor - they were nothing before last season (couldn't actually get into Pearsons team the year before FFS) and deserve the flack they got - just look at DD's body language pre Liverpool - disinterested and mardy....I love my club but I hope the next manager we get starts the great clear out for next season by replacing some of those who held the club to ransom.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

5 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

People say his best decision was leaving things as they are but this is absolute bullshit. We didn't even play 4-4-2 under Pearson when we went on the run, we played 3-5-2.

 

And we were leaking goals at the start of the season until we dropped the 2 full backs who couldn't defend. Ranieri was shrewd enough to realise that keeping Inler in would be a mistake, and replaced him with Kante. He protected our slow, cumbersome defence with not only Kante but our style of play, which was evidently far more positive and attacking than what we'd seen in the majority of Pearson's reign at this level.

 

He made substitutions early enough to affect the game, something Pearson was very poor at. He always played Vardy up front, got the best out of Mahrez, and realised the value of playing Albrighton - 3 things his predecessor was criticised for not doing.

Why he started to reverse all this good work this season I don't know. But again, stupid people seem unable to see that he did a lot of crucial things that made a difference.

Well said sir.

[Koke]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

Well they kept their opinions to themselves at the time.

 

Probably because we were winning every week and it seemed petty to complain about his press conferences when we were in the top 4.

 

@Babylon  is right. It was cringey as hell. 

[smr]

Some it was right, some of it was rubbish.

Agree about Carra. Hate the way pundits say we are an average club who should be in a relegation scrap, therefore getting rid of Claudio was pointless.

 

If every team in all the leagues are supposed to settle for how they are perceived to be right now at this very moment in time, forever, what does that mean - for the next thousand + years for an infinite amount of time the big four right now are always going to be the big four? How. Bloody. Boring.

 

So that's one thing, fully agreed with. Clubs from all over, throughout the leagues, even non league should have aspirations and ambition to do as well as possibly, and if that means aspiring to be in the Premier League and win it - so be it.

 

I'd have laughed 10 years ago if you'd told me Bournemouth would be in the Premier League, but all the credit to them.

 

I don't agree with the remarks about Claudio being a poor manager, that's quite frankly ridiculous. He's a great manager, it's just that there's a way of doing things the right way which he sometimes can't seem to see. But as has been said previously, imo he was the perfect manager for us last season, and not everyone could've have done it - infact I think he made it look a heck of a lot easier than what it was. His calm, jovial, buoyant character deceived the media and other teams, a very intelligent manager in my book.

 

Something did have to change - and he couldn't manage the way the club found themselves after winning the Premier League, as much as it's a huge shame as I'd have loved to have seen him see out his mangerial days here and I thought he'd leave on his own terms, ending the fairy tale with a happily ever after. Just wasn't meant to be.

[1969]

I think the Football Ramble podcast summed it up for me when they compared Claudio's departure to having the family dog put down... you hated doing it but knew it was for the best.

[Koke]

9 minutes ago, seenitall said:

Is this the same Claudio Ranieri that won his Champions League group at a canter and was well placed for the return leg with Sevilla in the last 16? The one who won the league against literally all the odds of all time last season? the one who for all you know's team would have done the same against Liverpool on Monday (if the 2nd half against Seville was anything to go by)? Giles is a twonk - take a look at legends like Klopp, Guardiola and even the chosen one to see how hard it actually is to achieve what we have done - they all had better teams and more money than Claudio and can't get close - Wenger will never do it again.

 

We would not have gone down IMO and we have made ourselves look like a bunch of twats - I felt sick to my stomach to see Drinkwater and Vardy actually trying again after a season of being piss poor - they were nothing before last season (couldn't actually get into Pearsons team the year before FFS) and deserve the flack they got - just look at DD's body language pre Liverpool - disinterested and mardy....I love my club but I hope the next manager we get starts the great clear out for next season by replacing some of those who held the club to ransom.

 

I disagree.  We'd definitely gone down with Ranieri. I'm convinced Liverpool would have beaten us and Hull would run rings around us on Saturday. We weren't just losing, we were getting hammered and we barely entered the opposition penalty box.

 

Had we lost 3-2 to Swansea and drawn 2-2 at Burnley etc I'd have hope that Ranieri wold keep us up. But we were getting battered every week and I genuinely couldn't see where our next point was coming from.

[GaelicFox]

Us Irish always get it just right 

 

 

[MrSpaM]

Why was it after last season everybody was saying "Leicester have shown that 'small clubs' can achieve big things", and now it's gone back to "'Small clubs' will never win anything and should be happy in a relegation scrap, last year was a freak and all the Leicester players overachieved"

[BenTheFox]

11 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

Why was it after last season everybody was saying "Leicester have shown that 'small clubs' can achieve big things", and now it's gone back to "'Small clubs' will never win anything and should be happy in a relegation scrap, last year was a freak and all the Leicester players overachieved"

People telling the club that 'made everyone dream' to be happy with being relegated.