The Doctor Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 9 minutes ago, Jattdogg said: https://mobile.twitter.com/MGxExPrEsS/status/960219180367740929/video/1 pk my left foot. He went down easier than a prostitute. Absolutely embarrassing as a human being. Should be ashamed of yourself for the cheating dive you tw@t Easiest retrospective ban panel going there. Swan dive.
DB11 Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 2 hours ago, Facecloth said: That's irrelevant. Lovren didn't pass it back, and Kane was offside from the initial pass. Are you saying everytime a ball deflects off a defender it isn't offside, because that's going to get messy. 1 hour ago, jammie82uk said: The defender has to deliberately play the ball for the attacker not to be offside Kane was offside when the original pass was made If the player makes a deliberate attempt at playing the ball then the phase is reset and so the player is onside. A miskick or mistake is not the same as a deflection.
Blue ROI Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 13 minutes ago, simFox said: Won't happen though will it. Banning any English player for diving with a world cup looming. Not a chance.
Donut Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 (edited) i think offside is a right mess personally. Would Lovren have made a hurried clearance if the flag went up straight from the pass towards Kane? because he was offside at that point. Its like defenders making headed clearances from free kicks with players behind them because the flag doesnt go up. Just makes no sense to me Neither does having a goalscoring body part offside mean youre offside. Look at Aubameyangs goal yesterday. the players were actually level, it just appears he is offside because Aubameyang was leaning forwards, and the defender was leaning forwards the opposite way. their feet were basically level. The late flagging for offside only when the offside player receives the ball is also silly. wastes time and effort and could be dangerous. Whoever dreamed these scenarios is ridiculous Edited 4 February 2018 by Donut 3
Facecloth Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 16 minutes ago, DB11 said: If the player makes a deliberate attempt at playing the ball then the phase is reset and so the player is onside. A miskick or mistake is not the same as a deflection. Kane is interfering with play, which is why Lovren tries to clear it. Also Lovren slips so it can't be certain he meant anything at all. Anyway the rules is ridiculous. The defenders hand is forced by the player being offside, so he's gaining an advantage. 1
theessexfox Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 Good grief anyone saying the Lamela decision is correct
Donut Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 In fairness to Jon Moss, in light of what DB11 is saying, he did apply the laws correctly, its just that the law itself is an ass. I think he refereed well when you consider the penalties, he was trusting to his linesman on the 2nd penalty. From the linesmans angle camera it looked a penalty on the tv replays, yet the replays ive seen in this thread make it look very soft the award
Dan Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 The first isn't a penalty for me and the second is. I've seen the second from another angle and it looks a penalty, even if it is hugely exaggerated contact. The first I just cannot see how that isn't offside.
Donut Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: The first isn't a penalty for me and the second is. I've seen the second from another angle and it looks a penalty, even if it is hugely exaggerated contact. The first I just cannot see how that isn't offside. Id probably go along with that. I think the 2nd penalty is angle dependent. the angle level with the linesman it did look a penalty, and the linesman drew Jon Moss' attention to the incident. The first one i think would be an offside, yet Dermott Gallacher says it was an example of great refereeing teamwork between the linesman and referee. It was a grey area in the laws for me. The defender would not be making a hurried clearance had he known Kane was offside. No flag means he should clear the ball, which he has messed up, but does that really constitute a new phase of play? Sometimes football laws can be so silly they just add to the poor decision making.
CosbehFox Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 Just to add as a central defender I can say with experience that position Lovren is in is an absolute minefield. It’s like when an aerial ball is played towards you but an attacker is ten yards offside behind you. You have to head it because if you had time you’d chest or control the ball, then pass it off. But of course as soon as that Chest or control occurs, the attacker can attempt to tackle you. It felt the first was offside and then a dive. The second was a penalty. Van Dijk, not goalside and clumsy makes contact. Was like the disallowed goal yesterday - the indecision on the pitch causes a big problem - how would you react as a player if you see play on and then the linesmen says no it’s a foul. 1
DB11 Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 53 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Kane is interfering with play, which is why Lovren tries to clear it. Well you need to lobby FIFA then because per the laws of the game and their interpretation, he’s not. He can’t interfere with play simply due to his presence - he only actually interferes with play if he touches the ball. The closest you could consider is interfering with an opponent but again, mere knowledge of presence is insufficient criteria per FIFA - you have to prevent them from being able to play the ball eg standing in front of the goalkeeper and obscuring their vision or running across the path of the defender to block them off.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 The second one is definitely a peno. Yes the contact is blown out of proportion by Lamela, but if he doesn't do that, the penalty probably wouldn't get given. VVD blatantly kicks him, it has to be a peno. 1
ARTY_FOX Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 (edited) If that's a penalty against van dijk then football is in alot of trouble good grief. Pathetic. Edited 4 February 2018 by ARTY_FOX 1
Super_horns Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 (edited) He might think it was harsh but you can bet had those incidents been in the Spurs penalty area on Salah/Mane etc Klopp himself would have been calling for a spot kick.. And the same for any manager really ! Quite frankly I turn a blind eye to what any of them say in regard to contentious decisions as like fans they can be one eyed. Edited 4 February 2018 by Super_horns 1
st albans fox Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 We have a problem with the missed pen just seen the discussion between moss and the lino the lino says that if lovren touches the ball then it’s a pen moss replies ‘ I don’t know’ they talk about it again moss again says ‘ I have no idea.’, looks across to the 4th official, puts his finger to his ear and says ‘Martin, do you have anything from tv’? Then he says ‘i’m Giving the pen’ as he runs back towards the area since when was the 4th official allowed to consult the telly ?????
Popular Post Izzy Posted 4 February 2018 Popular Post Posted 4 February 2018 Excellent Swedish TV analysis of the Selhurst Park pitch invader 6
Wymsey Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 I'm quite surprised in not seeing Craig Shakespeare in the Everton dugout during games. Would've thought he'd be assisting Allardyce on the touchline.
jammie82uk Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 36 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We have a problem with the missed pen just seen the discussion between moss and the lino the lino says that if lovren touches the ball then it’s a pen moss replies ‘ I don’t know’ they talk about it again moss again says ‘ I have no idea.’, looks across to the 4th official, puts his finger to his ear and says ‘Martin, do you have anything from tv’? Then he says ‘i’m Giving the pen’ as he runs back towards the area since when was the 4th official allowed to consult the telly ????? Yeah just seen this on MOTD2 linesman says: I need to clarify if lovren touched the ball if he has, it’s a deliberate action and therefore it’s a penalty if he has not, it is offside jon moss: I’ve no idea whether lovrens touched the ball to be honest with you both look at dugout Jon Moss: Martin have you got anything from tv? Almost instanly after that sentence Jon Moss: I’m giving a penalty
deep blue Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 3 hours ago, Jattdogg said: https://mobile.twitter.com/MGxExPrEsS/status/960219180367740929/video/1 pk my left foot. He went down easier than a prostitute. Absolutely embarrassing as a human being. Should be ashamed of yourself for the cheating dive you tw@t Can't believe that. Spurs player jumps backwards into Liverpool player, fouling him in th process, and gets a pen
Izzy Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 The Lino giving himself a little celebratory fist clench and thumbs up for awarding the penalty 1
ARTY_FOX Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 Van dijk is moving away from him for god sake.
Tuna Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 16 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: I'm quite surprised in not seeing Craig Shakespeare in the Everton dugout during games. Would've thought he'd be assisting Allardyce on the touchline. Sits in the stand communicating with Fat Sam via earpiece. 1
Tuna Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 37 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Excellent Swedish TV analysis of the Selhurst Park pitch invader Brilliant, love the way his can of lager goes flying when he's tackled! 1
holyfox Posted 4 February 2018 Posted 4 February 2018 Can’t believe nobody picked up he blatant simulation by Kane for the First penalty. Surely that needs to be looked at by the Panel. If that was Vardy he would have been hung out to dry like he was after West Ham at the end of 15/16 1
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