foxfanazer Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 1 minute ago, Super_horns said: Yes - the last manager who we were sad to lose was Jokanovic now at Fulham who got us up. Really what we need is a decent medical team and about 6 new players! Certainly off the field the Pozzos have bern excellent for us with a new stand and improved facilities but yes it does seem like chaos on it! Quite how we aren't in the bottom 3-5 is a miracle!! Shows how poor this league is this year. We’ve not really been anything special but find ourselves in seventh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 1 minute ago, foxfanazer said: Another manager we’ve got sacked although the writing was on the wall it seems. Strange by Watford to bring up the Everton approach as a reason. Have no idea who they could bring in? Rowett? Pearson? If they had a brain they'd make an approach for Fonseca. However the favourite is Jose Lopez of Malaga yet he's only just joined them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 Perfect time to sack the manager though. No premier league game for 2 weeks and time to bring in players if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, TheMightySystem said: Quoted from their statement. " The Club is convinced the appointment of Silva was the right one and had it not been for the unwarranted approach by a Premier League rival for his services we would have continued to prosper under his leadership. " I don't really see how the club could have such a downturn just because Everton tried to get Silva, unless he said something which peed off the players backstage. Probably should have accepted the money Everton where going to give in compensation. Why Watford have collapsed under Marco Silva Everton deeply unsettled the Portuguese head coach and players asked to leave with him Matt Hughes, Deputy Football Correspondent January 13 2018, 12:01am, The Times The new year’s resolutions have been made a week late at Watford, a club needing a seasonal reboot more than most. After a dismal run of one win in nine Premier League matches, harsh words were spoken in a clear-the-air meeting this week involving staff and players to discuss the side’s dramatic slide from fourth in the table in October to tenth. Recommit, focus or face the prospect of a relegation battle was the blunt message from Marco Silva, the club’s head coach, which was relayed in no uncertain terms to the players. From the outside it looks as if Watford are having a typical season — they were seventh in December in the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons before fading to finish 13th and 17th respectively — but at Vicarage Road they feel this campaign is very different. The worrying dip in form and drift down the table has started earlier, with Silva’s side having won three and drawn one of 14 Premier League games since beating Arsenal 2-1 on October 14. It is hard to argue with the view of many Watford fans regarding the cause of the slump, which they largely attribute to Silva’s extended flirtation with and persistent agitation to join Everton. The chronology makes this case compelling. Watford were sixth and had only lost to Manchester City and Chelsea when Ronald Koeman was sacked by Everton on October 23. Noises from the dressing room reaffirm this theory; several players privately concede that they sensed Silva’s lack of commitment and lost focus. Some admit to asking Silva whether he would take them to Everton with him, shattering the team spirit and unity which, along with the more attacking style of football introduced by the Portuguese, had underpinned their outstanding start to the season. Watford voiced their anger over Everton’s conduct during the five-week saga, to the point of issuing a cease and desist letter. Having been told that Watford were unwilling to negotiate over Silva’s release, the Merseysiders kept coming back with new offers of compensation that rose from £8 million to £10 million, £12 million and finally £15 million before they abandoned their pursuit and appointed Sam Allardyce. Watford were also unhappy with the behaviour of Silva’s representatives. Instead of accepting the club’s position, there were constant demands for Silva to be allowed to talk to Everton. The relationship between Silva and his employers is believed to have deteriorated and there is an expectation that he will try to leave in the summer. There is a belief among those close to the dressing room that Silva’s demand to be released from a two-year contract after nine league matches unsettled the players, and may have contributed to their lack of focus at crucial times. Watford have conceded more goals in the final 15 minutes this season, 11, than any club in the Premier League and, as a result, have dropped 16 points from winning positions, more than anyone else in the top flight. Ironically, this problem emerged in the 3-2 defeat by Everton at the start of November, during which the two clubs discussed the Silva situation at length, with the visitors throwing away a 2-0 lead. It has continued to hurt them. Crystal Palace and Swansea City both scored twice in the final minutes to beat Watford last month, leading to questions about the manager’s use of substitutes. Silva’s work on the training ground, particularly his attention to detail and tactical preparation, has been very impressive since he joined from Hull City last summer, but there are frustrations about other aspects of his methodology. There is some concern that the 40-year-old may have alienated several players because he habitually freezes out those he believes do not fit with his philosophy. Stefano Okaka, Étienne Capoue and Sebastian Prödl have barely played, for example, which has caused some consternation as Watford do not have a big enough squad to accommodate individuals being ostracised. The treatment of Okaka is particularly curious. He scored and played well in the first game of the season against Liverpool, but was not seen again for almost two months, despite being fully fit. Unsurprisingly, the Italian striker wants to leave, but with Troy Deeney and Andre Gray the only other forwards at the club, it is unlikely that he will be sold this month. The way in which Silva has handled Gray has also raised eyebrows. Watford’s record signing has been in and out of the side and was dropped after scoring his first goal for the club in a win against Swansea in September. The 26-year-old is a confidence player, yet Silva has made it no secret that the former Burnley striker was not his first-choice signing last summer, and that he wanted to sign Islam Slimani from Leicester City. Despite dominating many matches, Watford have been short of goals. Those who have dealt with Silva regularly throughout a short, itinerant career describe an apparent contradiction in his methodology. Despite being an outstanding coach, he is also an old fashioned cheque-book manager, who will always look to the transfer market to solve any perceived problems. Such an outlook has led to inevitable tension at Watford, whose model relies on the players being bought by the club at the recommendation of Filippo Giraldi, the technical director, and Andy Scott, the UK recruitment director, with the head coach asked to make the best of his resources. History repeating for Watford 2015-16 They were seventh on December 20 after four straight wins, but then won four more from their next 21 games. Quique Flores was sacked at the end of the season. 2016-17 Again, they were seventh in mid-December, with 21 points. They won two of their next 12 matches and Walter Mazzarri was sacked at the end of the season. 2017-18 They won four of their first eight games, only losing to Manchester City. They reached fourth temporarily, before winning three of their next 12 games. At one stage, they took one point from 18 before beating Leicester City. Silva has clearly done that with some of the players he was given to work with, particularly Richarlison and Tom Cleverley, while he has also shown himself a shrewd judge in picking the best moment to introduce new players. Will Hughes was held back to adjust to a new freer role and to improve his strength in the gym before making a positive first impression, while Marvin Zeegelaar did not make his debut until the end of November and immediately played a key role in wins over West Ham United and Newcastle United. Silva has not been helped by a lengthy injury list, with eight first-team players unavailable at present, which was also a problem for Watford last season. Although Silva is known for working the players hard, that culture stems from the top of the club, with the owners believed to want them in training every day. There has been one occasion this season on which the players have been given successive days off — after the FA Cup third-round win over Bristol City last weekend — and a gruelling regime may be taking its toll. Poor discipline is another recurring problem, with Watford’s four red cards the highest in the Premier League and their tally of 38 yellows the joint-fourth highest, leading to suggestions that Silva sends the players out too fired up before kick-off. Silva remains popular with the players, particularly in contrast with Walter Mazzarri, his uncommunicative predecessor. But they need to start performing for him, starting today at home to Southampton, who have not won for nine league matches. Having been the seventh highest spenders in the Premier League in the summer, Watford’s ambitions are to push for a place in the top ten rather than battling relegation. Edited 21 January 2018 by brucey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 7 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Another manager we’ve got sacked although the writing was on the wall it seems. Strange by Watford to bring up the Everton approach as a reason. Have no idea who they could bring in? Rowett? Pearson? Heard the Granada boss might be being lined up for it They've tried everyone else.. Might as well give this guy a chance. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 9 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Another manager we’ve got sacked although the writing was on the wall it seems. Strange by Watford to bring up the Everton approach as a reason. Have no idea who they could bring in? Rowett? Pearson? Heard the Granada boss might be being lined up for it I'm sure the appointment will be from abroad...it's Watford. Changing the subject and it may have been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed Wilf Zaha's strange and gradual transformation into Dwayne Dibley? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 12 minutes ago, kingfox said: If they had a brain they'd make an approach for Fonseca. However the favourite is Jose Lopez of Malaga yet he's only just joined them Whoever it is will last a year and be dumped ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 Wonder if Koeman will fancy the Watford job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 17 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Another manager we’ve got sacked although the writing was on the wall it seems. Strange by Watford to bring up the Everton approach as a reason. Have no idea who they could bring in? Rowett? Pearson? Heard the Granada boss might be being lined up for it Rowett wants to go up with Derby, he's said this already. And as much as I like Pearson, he won't get a job in the PL unless he gets promoted again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrytaggart Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 I have nothing against Watford (appart from Deeney day) and hope they survive and make a decent appointment. NfP would sort them right out but I doubt they will make an approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 The Watford board are crazy. Why would you go there, they sack their manager every season even if they do well! You could say Silva clearly didn't want to stick around when Everton came calling but I think you are only going to find managers who want to be in the shop window who will take that job. There is no stability there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ted Maul Posted 21 January 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 21 January 2018 We're ones to talk about another club who should 'know their place' and 'be happy with where they are' sacking a manager. Most Watford fans agree with the decision, which means it's probably the correct one. Just as it was when Ranieri went and every neutral was outraged. If their 2 games against us are anything to go by, then it's certainly the right call- they're utter dross. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 1 minute ago, Ted Maul said: We're ones to talk about another club who should 'know their place' and 'be happy with where they are' sacking a manager. Most Watford fans agree with the decision, which means it's probably the correct one. Just as it was when Ranieri went and every neutral was outraged. If their 2 games against us are anything to go by, then it's certainly the right call- they're utter dross. We were near the bottom Watford have sacked a manager who got them 13th and then sacked a manager when 10th it is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 I know they were on a bad run but surely they would have stayed up comfortably enough? I guess it was either now or in the summer as Silva clearly has bigger aspirations and probably would have left for the next big team to come knocking so cant really blame Watford for ditching him now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 3 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said: We were near the bottom Watford have sacked a manager who got them 13th and then sacked a manager when 10th it is different Watford may well be 10th but they also might be 3pts above the relegation zone by the end of today. With their form there is no doubt they're in a relegation battle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 5 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said: We were near the bottom Watford have sacked a manager who got them 13th and then sacked a manager when 10th it is different They're sinking like a stone. Said after the game yesterday that they could go- the point is that Watford fans are in a much better position to judge than we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Super_horns Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 We have most of the top 6 away yet to play! We badly need to beat Stoke next game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: They're sinking like a stone. Said after the game yesterday that they could go- the point is that Watford fans are in a much better position to judge than we are. It is harsh and to sack Flores was the most bizarre decision as well... they are going through a bad spell something that any club can do outside of that top six. They aren’t going down and I can’t see any good option for them manager wise... they deserve Hughes... 10 games ago everyone were saying how great Watford and silva were, 10 games later after a bad patch he is sacked Edited 21 January 2018 by foxes_rule1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Super_horns said: We have most of the top 6 away yet to play! We badly need to beat Stoke next game.. That's not a bad thing actually, much preferable to playing the top six at home and having to rely on winning away against similar teams to stay up. Edited 21 January 2018 by Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 4 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said: It is harsh and to sack Flores was the most bizarre decision as well... they are going through a bad spell something that any club can do outside of that top six. They aren’t going down and I can’t see any good option for them manager wise... they deserve Hughes... The Watford fans generally wanted him out and the fans are usually a good gauge to judge their manager and players. I would trust their opinion before I would trust an outsider like yourself who only has a passing interest in them looking on from the outside. It's like I always worry if we sign a player and the previous club's fans think they've had us over or we paid too much. They're invariably right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 1 minute ago, Gerard said: The Watford fans generally wanted him out and the fans are usually a good gauge to judge their manager and players. I would trust their opinion before I would trust an outsider like yourself who only has a passing interest in them looking on from the outside. It's like I always worry if we sign a player and the previous club's fans think they've had us over or we paid too much. They're invariably right. Good job our owners didn’t listen to the Southampton lot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 Just now, foxes_rule1978 said: Good job our owners didn’t listen to the Southampton lot Good point. I'd say fans of a club are usually better informed about the quality of a manager or player than most when they've seen them in action for months/years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 What's the highest number of managers to go in one season? 8 already and Southampton might well follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 21 January 2018 Share Posted 21 January 2018 Appleton is on MOTD2 as i write, comes across well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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