Hollism Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517 Mods feel free to move this into the 17/18 PL thread, but I thought this warranted it's own for now.
StanSP Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 good. just hope the judging panel use their common sense and are good enough to make a decision.
lgfualol Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Man City will be missing half a team after the first few games. If this means players wont go down holding their faces when they hurt their ankles, then I am all for it. Vardy might need a warning about this though
goose2010 Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Dele Ali will only play about a quarter of the season!
Adster Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 18 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Man City will be missing half a team after the first few games. If this means players wont go down holding their faces when they hurt their ankles, then I am all for it. Vardy might need a warning about this though That's great but I think it's really to make players think twice so they don't dive to potentially win the game for their side.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 I will reserve judgement until I see this in action.
Captain... Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 It's a start, but a pretty limited one. Limiting it to penalties and dismissals is nowhere near enough and is not going to stamp it out if players can get away with it in other areas of the pitch or only get someone booked. What about a free kick on the edge of the area that leads to a goal? Or you get someone booked and it later leads to a dismissal? This is also not going to stop someone chancing it in the last minutes of a must win game, dive in the box, ref sees it, yellow card carry on, ref misses it, penalty, goal vital 3 points and a 3 game ban. It needs to be completely removed from the culture of the game, like rugby, and not have a handful of cases reviewed to appease teams that feel hard done by in certain cases. Cheating is cheating whether it leads to a goal a red card or nothing more significant than a throw in.
stevelcfc Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Can't see how this will work in a fair way at all. Vardy doesn't dive but initiates contact is that a ban? What about the pathetic play acting but there is very slight contact? Can't see how there will be any consistency. It'll happen the first couple of weeks and them be forgotten anyway.
Captain... Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 4 minutes ago, stevelcfc said: Can't see how this will work in a fair way at all. Vardy doesn't dive but initiates contact is that a ban? What about the pathetic play acting but there is very slight contact? Can't see how there will be any consistency. It'll happen the first couple of weeks and them be forgotten anyway. It will almost certainly start with a lot of intention and then fade away. The main reason is to placate managers who complain about these decisions turning games. Nothing will happen unless the manager/media pick up on something, like retrospective action of an off the ball incident, then they will review it, there is a panel of 3 and they have to all agree that it was ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ if they don't then there will be no ban. It will be down to them to interpret the laws and apply a ban.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Even though I support a team with Jamie Vardy in it, good!!
Kitchandro Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Captain... said: It's a start, but a pretty limited one. Limiting it to penalties and dismissals is nowhere near enough and is not going to stamp it out if players can get away with it in other areas of the pitch or only get someone booked. What about a free kick on the edge of the area that leads to a goal? Or you get someone booked and it later leads to a dismissal? This is also not going to stop someone chancing it in the last minutes of a must win game, dive in the box, ref sees it, yellow card carry on, ref misses it, penalty, goal vital 3 points and a 3 game ban. It needs to be completely removed from the culture of the game, like rugby, and not have a handful of cases reviewed to appease teams that feel hard done by in certain cases. Cheating is cheating whether it leads to a goal a red card or nothing more significant than a throw in. This. Typical half measure from the FA. On first glance it sounds good but It's almost worse than doing nothing because they will see this as enough to shut people up and there will be no attempt to really do the right thing by challenging it completely. It will just cause more controversy as some people are punished whilst others get away with it, adding fuel to the fire of those saying that the big clubs are favoured by the authorities. I don't know why they wouldn't want to make it a 6 game ban in all cases of someone attempting to deceive the referee. There's just no argument to not throw the book at people for that. If the referee catches him why should it be lesser offense? Why is it ok to do it in your own box, where you could potentially deny your opponent a goal by doing so, as if that where less important? Why is it ok if your diving only gets a player booked? What if he's booked later in the game and is then sent off? Why is it considered on a par with David Beckham's kick out at Simeone in 1998? Why on earth should that be the same punishment when one is a petty act of petulance in the heat of the moment and the other is a calculated attempt to discredit the game and possibly change the course a team's season? Have they defined what 'deceiving the referee' is? Is it a dive if there is contact? Can't a player deceive a referee into thinking he has been fouled when in fact the contact isn't significant? It's a ruling which actually leaves us with more questions than answers and makes me (not for the first time) really question the integrity of the FA. Sounds like they want to pick and choose when they punish people and I imagine this will make little difference in the long run.
Ashley Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Jamie Vardy doesn't dive. When you're as quick as he is any slight contact is bringing you down. Same as a car travelling fast and someone clipping your back end.. you'll end up in a spin.
filbertway Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Is this going to be like the bookings players were going to recieve from refs for swearing/running up to them complaining?
Adster Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 1 minute ago, Ashley said: Jamie Vardy doesn't dive. When you're as quick as he is any slight contact is bringing you down. Same as a car travelling fast and someone clipping your back end.. you'll end up in a spin. Excellent analogy to be fair. He doesn't dive. Don't let the opinions of other fans cloud your judgement.
mozartfox Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 How about punishing diobolical refereeing decisions retrospectively? That would also be a welcome improvement as far to many big calls are affecting results. Whilst you can never change a result you can atleast highlight the Pillocks and Bell Ends that screw up week in and week out.
turtmcfly Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Ashley said: Jamie Vardy doesn't dive. When you're as quick as he is any slight contact is bringing you down. Same as a car travelling fast and someone clipping your back end.. you'll end up in a spin. taking this analogy further (and perhaps moving it somewhat into the realms of auto-erotica) let's just say he offers up his back end a little too freely
Captain... Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 10 minutes ago, Adster said: Excellent analogy to be fair. He doesn't dive. Don't let the opinions of other fans cloud your judgement. He doesn't dive, but he does go looking for contact and will sometimes manipulate contact, whether or not this is classed as simulation or cheating or attempting to deceive the ref we can't say because the rules around fouling are massively open to interpretation.
Captain... Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 Didn't know that Scotland already had a diving ban since 2011. Different approach and a better one in my view. All footage is reviewed any incidents of simulation identified are punished with a ban, then a player can contest the ban and it will go to a panel to judge it.
davieG Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 What about when someone is deemed to have dived and booked/sent off but they haven't will that be reviewed?
Hollism Posted 18 May 2017 Author Posted 18 May 2017 1 minute ago, davieG said: What about when someone is deemed to have dived and booked/sent off but they haven't will that be reviewed? No mention of it so I doubt it. Agree that this could be a hinderance long-term. Hopefully it doesn't set back the need for VARs.
Always Next Year Posted 18 May 2017 Posted 18 May 2017 So what dose this really do. Your Player gets booked or sent off. They take Pen or your team is reduced to 10 men. They score from the pen and you go on to loose the game. After a few days 3 man panel say Ref got it wrong. Player gets 2 match ban for putting one over on the Ref. Result still stands, you have lost 3 points unless you win the game. WELL DONE THE FA Get video replay in and get the player sent off for acting 2 match ban, no Pen no goal, possible 3 points saved.
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