NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 8 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said: With Nigel Pearsons team! So Pearson won the league for us then and deserved all the credit. Your logic of giving any credit to the previous manager means it's Ranieri that has turned our season around then and not Shakespeare. There is a massive amount of bullshit spoken on this forum regarding NP.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: So Pearson won the league for us then and deserved all the credit. Your logic of giving any credit to the previous manager means it's Ranieri that has turned our season around then and not Shakespeare. There is a massive amount of bullshit spoken on this forum regarding NP. Think you'll find you're in the minority on this one.
Foxforce5 Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 he will build you a solid competitive team with no slackers. would have him back here in a heartbeat. You just have to give him time, he's not a quick fix
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 21 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Think you'll find you're in the minority on this one. I know; but I like swimming against the tide
foxfanazer Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 For any Championship club willing to give a manager a chance to see through a project and build great foundations he's got to be number one choice. Surprised Norwich haven't snapped him up to be honest
TJB-fox Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 Can't think of a modern day manager that could realistically be attracted to a championship club that i'd rather have. Absolutely fantastic manager here over TWO successful spells, both having followed moronic spells in which we'd bought absolute shite and the club was generally in a mess. Shame he lost his head a few times, especially with the media- it's managed to blight many people's opinions on him, lcfc fans or not. Heard there was attitude/dressing room issues at boro (George Friend interview) so id imagine NP would go in there and sort that out for starters. Loved the way he cleared out wankers like Beckford and Mills and brought in young, predominantly English, unheard of talents and formed them into an unstoppable championship outfit. Remains to be seen whether he can do this without Shakey and Walsh as some have said but he's an intelligent and calculated man so I wouldn't put it past him. Our best ever manager in my opinion and if you do get him I hope he does really well.
kingcarr21 Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 6 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Think you'll find you're in the minority on this one. I'm confused what minority is this?
Blue ROI Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 I'm in the pro-Pearson camp. Even with all that has happened since he left he is still for me the most significant Leicester City figure in the 21st Century. What outsiders (and even detractors at leicester) have to remember is that he picked us up off the floor. No England 1982 type this time We'll Get It Right like the 7 years previous.Nobody at the club in 2008 could argue with whoever was in charge. I can't claim to be an expert on all things Derby but maybe why it didn't work out for him was that the club was not in as bad a situation as Leicester circa 2008. Leicester was laid bare then across the entire club and provided the platform for what followed. He arrived to a club in Derby with somewhat more justifiable expectations given a high championship placing before he arrived. Derby may have expected too much too soon of Pearson. They never gave him a chance to let him put his own stamp on things. I've no doubt that Pearson would have picked things up if he was given time but the fans might have overreacted to what changes were made rather than going along with it. To the topic creator I would recommend him but what worked for us may not work for anyone else. Boro are not Leicester City 2008. Fans will expect Premier League football. Pearson is someone you have to have patience with. The trouble is how will Boro fans react is the team is committed and unlucky with results but sitting in mid-table next Xmas under him?
Long Eaton Fox Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 10 minutes ago, kingcarr21 said: I'm confused what minority is this? The minority of people that think Nigel Pearson didn't do a good job here and lay the foundations for the Premier league triumph.
kingcarr21 Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 Just now, Long Eaton Fox said: The minority of people that think Nigel Pearson didn't do a good job here and lay the foundations for the Premier league triumph. Ok, I wasn't sure if you meant just that or you were also alluding to the thought that we would have still won the league if Pearson was in charge and not Ranieri.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 2 minutes ago, kingcarr21 said: Ok, I wasn't sure if you meant just that or you were also alluding to the thought that we would have still won the league if Pearson was in charge and not Ranieri. No one will ever know for sure if Pearson was in charge we still would have won it.
kingcarr21 Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 Just now, Long Eaton Fox said: No one will ever know for sure if Pearson was in charge we still would have won it. I know that but there have been people on this forum that are adamant we would have still won it. Completely disregarding Ranieri's input. Anyway that's a debate I cant be bothered to get into It was just the way I read your post I wasn't 100% sure what minority you were referring to. On the topic at hand I would love to see Pearson get back into management. I think he would work wonders at a club like Boro
ealingfox Posted 23 May 2017 Posted 23 May 2017 Quite simply one of the greatest human beings of all time.
GaelicFox Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 He is a looney never getting a top club again too many behind the scenes Story's from Derby and Leicester , the guy is 100% done at the top level of English football total nut job really
Thracian Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 2 hours ago, GaelicFox said: He is a looney never getting a top club again too many behind the scenes Story's from Derby and Leicester , the guy is 100% done at the top level of English football total nut job really I'd rarely say "never" about anyone or anything but think it a huge pity that Pearson's failings, which became increasingly apparent, now serve to counter-balance or even outweigh his achievements. For me I shall always consider he made a considerable contribution to our Premiership title success - with Ranieri, the players and others making - adding their own significant input. Now that's all behind us and it's time to look forward - hopefully to the era of Craig Shakespeare. If the man is as sound and quick to learn as I hope and believe then he could be just the right man at the right time to cement our status as a top flight club indefinitely and more especially given the backing of arguably as good a table of owners and top management as any in English football. I'm hugely excited about our prospects and the strengthening potential of the pre-season period. Shaky, from his own mouth, says he likes to be organised and, from that, I don't expect our recruitment and pre-season preparation to be the disappointment it was last season. What worries me most is the fans. Too many seem determined to find fault with him for no just reason because he seems like the managerial equivalent of a flat cap rather than a class act. But appearances can be deceiving and I don't think anyone should mistake Shakespeare's seemingly genuine humility, his helpful demeanour or his easy relationship with his charges as a sign of weakness. What does concern me is the thought his confidence being eroded by the fans negativity because I don't see him as a Fergie or Poch. type who'd always stand by their convictions against any pressure. I hope I'm wrong in this though because some of the criticism of Shakespeare hasn't even been close to fair or justified and I'd hope he quietly shames those people and flies a flag for our club, which he so clearly cares for, like our own Wellington. I'm always critical I know, - hopefully in a fair and constructive manner - and that won't change. But I don't like to see anyone failing and especially being bullied or mocked into failure on the back of contrived bullshit. Management is a hard enough job without having fans being critical simply because of their own beliefs or agenda.
Kitchandro Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 9 pages Great championship manager, but needs time. He's brilliant at the behind the scenes stuff and building a team. If he gets time he should implement some strong foundations for the club's long term future, though it remains to be seen whether being without Shakespeare and Walsh is a massive hindrance. He didn't do too well at Derby without them. He's not tactically astute enough to be a good Premiership manager. We woefully underachieved in our great escape season, as subsequent events proved. Positive tactics and correct team selection would have seen us in the top half for most of that season, but it took him ages to work out what he was doing wrong. In the end he just threw caution to the wind, probably under the advice of the players. People tend to take the piss out of this story but it is documented (not just rumoured) that Cambiasso influenced the change in style somewhat. Also don't expect any substitutions before the 68th minute, unless there's been an injury. He is a nutter but he's also principled, which is as much of a problem as him being a nutter. He'll probably get on better with your chairman than the idiot at Derby or our owners who are culturally quite different (and also quite inconsistent with their principles - it probably still doesn't sit right with him that his son was sacked for shagging a hooker (his son wasn't the one making the racist comments) whilst another player stayed at the club after throttling a woman). I don't like it when people question his character, he's always seemed a fair bloke to me. The players will love him unless they're prima donnas. he just has the occasional psycho moment and is clearly very uncomfortable with the media side of the game. Having a go at journalists, often not the most honest or likeable of people, is hardly crime of the century.
Kitchandro Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 On 23/05/2017 at 08:55, Long Eaton Fox said: Think you'll find you're in the minority on this one. No it's just there's a very loud minority of idiots who need putting in their place before we become a laughing stock as the group of fans who hate the manager who pulled off our greatest achievement.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: No it's just there's a very loud minority of idiots who need putting in their place before we become a laughing stock as the group of fans who hate the manager who pulled off our greatest achievement. Please read my previous posts on this subject before becoming a minority of one in the idiot department.
dynamark Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 Id be reluctant to put him in charge of a sweet shop. No self control but expected everyone else to be disciplined.Managers get paid a lot of money for a specific role He has previous now and you have to make a conclusion that he may be done in relatively top level management.
Renart Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 On 5/20/2017 at 15:47, davieG said: The tactician stuff is very subjective as he's always been quite limited in his choice of players According to some LCFC fans every manager we've had has been a poor tactician in their time here perhaps with the exception of O'Neal. The dressing room thing is rubbish, if players pull their weight he'll defend them even to the point of taking the flax himself if they under perform. When there was a falling out between him and the local radio guy and he stopped talking to them the players backed him up and joined the ban. I hate it when managers take flax. Many of them are cereal offenders.
davieG Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 16 minutes ago, Renart said: I hate it when managers take flax. Many of them are cereal offenders. A somewhat corny pun.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 24 May 2017 Posted 24 May 2017 To be honest he had a perfect storm at Leicester and that brought us success. Everywhere else he's been, he's been pretty ordinary.
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