arsenal fan in peace...

[twister]

Hi

 

Last time I was here I got dogs abuse, so I will state before I start, Im not a wind up merchant, I do like your club as I like lots of traditional clubs and I have followed mine since  I was 7 in 1990 so have seen everything good and sadly wrong in how the modern game has gone, money,big  brands,bowl stadiums, refereeing infulence.

 

Last night   like the other four games you have played at the emirates in recent times was baffiling because you have gone away with nothing despite causing us all sorts of problems again. Vardy and albrighton were terrific and matty james despite his injuries really showed he has the talent to play this level.

 

I thought wengers arrogance regarding our back line ''playing full backs at centre half'' was going to cost us a defeat.But sheer firepower got us through as well as a dodgy call and in my mind again some negative thinking on shakespeares behalf.

 

Now Shakespeare is  obviously a excellent coach, being part of two championship winning teams, and the players obviously like him. But I just get the sense when ontop he will always likley retreat rather than go for the win, and is why he may not last long as a manager.

 

I remember at 1-1  in the 2-1 defeat in your title winning year, Mahrez being dragged off, yes you had ten men but it signaled the wrong intent. For me last night okzaki should have been replaced immediatly by another striker ideally if fit a ulloa type player to winning free kicks maybe grab another goal,  and kill the play.Instead he went negative brought on amarty gave us endless ball, and  then changed his mind on a corner and went with two up front again.

 

Despite that the signs are good and I think you have a good mid table season with a cup run. I see man city winning the league and us being around the top 3, I am sitll be convinced this arsenal team can win a league defending as it does. but will see.

 

 

 

 

[KFS]

You won't win the league and I think you'll finish outside of Europe. That's not bitterness, your defence just isn't good enough.

 

Also, while your fans sit back and do nothing until a full back pulls out some skill, you'll go nowhere either. 

[twister]

mate thats what happens when you charge the prices we do, you attract the type of people that are fans rather than supporters.

 

money has changed the whole club in that aspect, summed up by the embrassing fan channels etc.

[foxfanazer]

Fair assessment although Slimani instead of Ulloa. Obviously early days but I think you'll struggle for top 3/4. Both Manchester clubs ahead of you imo and maybe Spurs and Chelsea too.

 

i agree that Shakey got it wrong mid game last night but he's still learning and to mastermind 3 goals away at the emirates is impressive

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, twister said:

Hi

 

Last time I was here I got dogs abuse, so I will state before I start, Im not a wind up merchant, I do like your club as I like lots of traditional clubs and I have followed mine since  I was 7 in 1990 so have seen everything good and sadly wrong in how the modern game has gone, money,big  brands,bowl stadiums, refereeing infulence.

 

Last night   like the other four games you have played at the emirates in recent times was baffiling because you have gone away with nothing despite causing us all sorts of problems again. Vardy and albrighton were terrific and matty james despite his injuries really showed he has the talent to play this level.

 

I thought wengers arrogance regarding our back line ''playing full backs at centre half'' was going to cost us a defeat.But sheer firepower got us through as well as a dodgy call and in my mind again some negative thinking on shakespeares behalf.

 

Now Shakespeare is  obviously a excellent coach, being part of two championship winning teams, and the players obviously like him. But I just get the sense when ontop he will always likley retreat rather than go for the win, and is why he may not last long as a manager.

 

I remember at 1-1  in the 2-1 defeat in your title winning year, Mahrez being dragged off, yes you had ten men but it signaled the wrong intent. For me last night okzaki should have been replaced immediatly by another striker ideally if fit a ulloa type player to winning free kicks maybe grab another goal,  and kill the play.Instead he went negative brought on amarty gave us endless ball, and  then changed his mind on a corner and went with two up front again.

 

Despite that the signs are good and I think you have a good mid table season with a cup run. I see man city winning the league and us being around the top 3, I am sitll be convinced this arsenal team can win a league defending as it does. but will see.

 

 

 

 

 

Good post and I agree entirely with your thoughts on Shakey ...   I was going to post as much on the post game thread.  Bad move bringing Amartey on and very Pearson like.  Yep, he should have shown some balls and gone for it, or even took Mahrez off and brought King on as a more conservative but still brave move.   Was slightly disappointed by that.

[Slim Dog]

Shaky stated his reasons for the subs. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't work so he's getting slated.

 

Give him a chance.

[Matt]

9 minutes ago, twister said:

Hi

 

Last time I was here I got dogs abuse, so I will state before I start, Im not a wind up merchant, I do like your club as I like lots of traditional clubs and I have followed mine since  I was 7 in 1990 so have seen everything good and sadly wrong in how the modern game has gone, money,big  brands,bowl stadiums, refereeing infulence.

 

Last night   like the other four games you have played at the emirates in recent times was baffiling because you have gone away with nothing despite causing us all sorts of problems again. Vardy and albrighton were terrific and matty james despite his injuries really showed he has the talent to play this level.

 

I thought wengers arrogance regarding our back line ''playing full backs at centre half'' was going to cost us a defeat.But sheer firepower got us through as well as a dodgy call and in my mind again some negative thinking on shakespeares behalf.

 

Now Shakespeare is  obviously a excellent coach, being part of two championship winning teams, and the players obviously like him. But I just get the sense when ontop he will always likley retreat rather than go for the win, and is why he may not last long as a manager.

 

I remember at 1-1  in the 2-1 defeat in your title winning year, Mahrez being dragged off, yes you had ten men but it signaled the wrong intent. For me last night okzaki should have been replaced immediatly by another striker ideally if fit a ulloa type player to winning free kicks maybe grab another goal,  and kill the play.Instead he went negative brought on amarty gave us endless ball, and  then changed his mind on a corner and went with two up front again.

 

Despite that the signs are good and I think you have a good mid table season with a cup run. I see man city winning the league and us being around the top 3, I am sitll be convinced this arsenal team can win a league defending as it does. but will see.

 

 

 

 

I don't think so.

 

Not being a WUM myself but I honestly thought Arsenal were very poor last night, if there is any justice if you play like last night all season (I'm sure many changes will happen through the season but based on last night) you won't be anywhere near the top 4, let alone 3 or winning the league. Yes i'm saying you were very poor yet you still won and scored 4 goals, that says alot about our defensive errors, the scoreline flattered you.

[Fox92]

Your winner was the loudest I've ever heard inside a ground. Couldn't hear myself when you scored.

[foxinsocks]

At 2:3 we were causing problems .... if shakey had done like for like abd kept the shape we may well have conceded and scored.  Sitting back was our down fall.  Other clubs will see this and continue to press arsenal.

 

 I hope you finish above spurs...

[sdb]

I think refusing to retreat was what cost us, not the opposite. 

 

The more o think about it the more I feel we should've won. Your back 3 was as weak as anyone is going to put out at this level. Literally 5th, 6th and 7th choices. Fair play for beating us with that untried combo. 

[twister]

I think your right that teams wont keep letting us of the hook, I think behind our full backs we are there to be had

 

albrighton had a field day just as the palace wingers did last year.

 

Magure looked good by the way but it will take him for him and morgan to get on the same page.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, twister said:

I think your right that teams wont keep letting us of the hook, I think behind our full backs we are there to be had

 

albrighton had a field day just as the palace wingers did last year.

 

Magure looked good by the way but it will take him for him and morgan to get on the same page.

Morgan looks finished sadly. Huth will be Maguire's regular partner. Would still like another more mobile centre half

[twister]

maybe callum chambers might be a answer to that if wenger wont give him a chance

 

I rate him highly he is still only 21 as well.

 

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

45 minutes ago, Slim Dog said:

Shaky stated his reasons for the subs. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't work so he's getting slated.

 

Give him a chance.

Didn't work because it was awful. We cant talk about aiming to qualify for Europe whilst not believing we can play football for the whole second half. If thats what he thinks of this team he's full of shit saying he thinks we can break into top 7

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, twister said:

Hi

 

Last time I was here I got dogs abuse, so I will state before I start, Im not a wind up merchant, I do like your club as I like lots of traditional clubs and I have followed mine since  I was 7 in 1990 so have seen everything good and sadly wrong in how the modern game has gone, money,big  brands,bowl stadiums, refereeing infulence.

 

Last night   like the other four games you have played at the emirates in recent times was baffiling because you have gone away with nothing despite causing us all sorts of problems again. Vardy and albrighton were terrific and matty james despite his injuries really showed he has the talent to play this level.

 

I thought wengers arrogance regarding our back line ''playing full backs at centre half'' was going to cost us a defeat.But sheer firepower got us through as well as a dodgy call and in my mind again some negative thinking on shakespeares behalf.

 

Now Shakespeare is  obviously a excellent coach, being part of two championship winning teams, and the players obviously like him. But I just get the sense when ontop he will always likley retreat rather than go for the win, and is why he may not last long as a manager.

 

I remember at 1-1  in the 2-1 defeat in your title winning year, Mahrez being dragged off, yes you had ten men but it signaled the wrong intent. For me last night okzaki should have been replaced immediatly by another striker ideally if fit a ulloa type player to winning free kicks maybe grab another goal,  and kill the play.Instead he went negative brought on amarty gave us endless ball, and  then changed his mind on a corner and went with two up front again.

 

Despite that the signs are good and I think you have a good mid table season with a cup run. I see man city winning the league and us being around the top 3, I am sitll be convinced this arsenal team can win a league defending as it does. but will see.

 

 

 

 

I  personally think that you've pretty well summed that up right and share your observations really Shakespeare. Without more signings I think Arsenal are looking at 5th. Lacazette looks good but there's not that steel spine of the older Arsenal sides. Need another centre half to partner Kochelny who I rate and a nasty midfielder or Viera type just in front. 

[Jattdogg]

If you can keep hold of Sanchez then you might finish 3rd. I think its man citys to lose this year. Tottenham wont be able to handle top 3 with champs league unless they bow out early (which will happen as they are major bottlers).

 

Liverpool wont be as good as last year. Man united is so damn unpredictable with mourinho at the helm. I wouldnt be surprised to see them finish anywhere in the top 4.

 

I still think chelsea will finish top 3.

 

You guys need more stability at the back. I also think cech needs to go sooner than later.

[ZeGuy]

5 hours ago, Slim Dog said:

Shaky stated his reasons for the subs. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't work so he's getting slated.

 

Give him a chance.

Not gonna happen

 

5 hours ago, twister said:

Hi

 

Last time I was here I got dogs abuse, so I will state before I start, Im not a wind up merchant, I do like your club as I like lots of traditional clubs and I have followed mine since  I was 7 in 1990 so have seen everything good and sadly wrong in how the modern game has gone, money,big  brands,bowl stadiums, refereeing infulence.

 

Last night   like the other four games you have played at the emirates in recent times was baffiling because you have gone away with nothing despite causing us all sorts of problems again. Vardy and albrighton were terrific and matty james despite his injuries really showed he has the talent to play this level.

 

I thought wengers arrogance regarding our back line ''playing full backs at centre half'' was going to cost us a defeat.But sheer firepower got us through as well as a dodgy call and in my mind again some negative thinking on shakespeares behalf.

 

Now Shakespeare is  obviously a excellent coach, being part of two championship winning teams, and the players obviously like him. But I just get the sense when ontop he will always likley retreat rather than go for the win, and is why he may not last long as a manager.

 

I remember at 1-1  in the 2-1 defeat in your title winning year, Mahrez being dragged off, yes you had ten men but it signaled the wrong intent. For me last night okzaki should have been replaced immediatly by another striker ideally if fit a ulloa type player to winning free kicks maybe grab another goal,  and kill the play.Instead he went negative brought on amarty gave us endless ball, and  then changed his mind on a corner and went with two up front again.

 

Despite that the signs are good and I think you have a good mid table season with a cup run. I see man city winning the league and us being around the top 3, I am sitll be convinced this arsenal team can win a league defending as it does. but will see.

 

 

 

 

Very good post.

 

As to finish in the top 5, that's going to be tough with that defense. But more than that you need a captain, a real leader on the pitch to motivate the divas players or kick them arses when needed. You collapse too easily as soon as you're cornered and yesterday was more we losing than you winning.

[SheppyFox]

Do all cockneys walk and talk like Danny Dyer & Ray Winstone? I always find them embarrassing on holiday

[Podgeyrogers]

Arsenal have as much chance as anyone to be honest. I think Man City will walk it but will wait and see how Yawnited look tomorrow. 

Chelsea haven't stocked up on enough good players as was apparent today. 

[jonthefox]

5 hours ago, twister said:

maybe callum chambers might be a answer to that if wenger wont give him a chance

 

I rate him highly he is still only 21 as well.

 

 

Yes please 

[weller54]

57 minutes ago, Podgeyrogers said:

Arsenal have as much chance as anyone to be honest. I think Man City will walk it but will wait and see how Yawnited look tomorrow. 

Chelsea haven't stocked up on enough good players as was apparent today. 

It's a Manchester one and two this season..... Probably The Spuds in third. 

[Old Fox]

Whoever finishes above Man City will win it but I think they will be the team to beat.

 

i think Arsenal have a good chance of Top 4 - the bench last night was frightening and the defence will improve with the return of Koscielny and Mustafi/Gabriel!!

 

it is easy to criticise Shakey as he was brace in trying to win it with his subs - naive maybe but brave and it was him the picked the team that was winning 3-2 so easy to moan but for me I wanted us to have a go. Walking to the ground we all agreed that losing but having a go was the minimum and it was gut wrenching but signs are promising especially if you add Iborra and a Drinky to the midfield options - desperate for a quality right back imo who can look after the ball.

 

It was the noisiest I have heard the Emirates at the end but was a decent noise by our lot too!

[Podgeyrogers]

Just now, weller54 said:

It's a Manchester one and two this season..... Probably The Spuds in third. 

I am swaying that way myself to be honest but will reserve judgement on Spurs until I see how they cope " away" from home. Teamwise, it shouldn't make a difference and they will/should spank most but will just see how they get on.

Naturally Lukaku is what United really needed last year and I see him being the missing link. and suspect the two Manchester teams to be streets ahead come March to be honest. 

[dylanlegend]

Completely agree with the OP. In our title winning season there were many times Ranieri made positive subs even when we were 1-0 up, we'd gone on and win by 2 or 3. 

 

Shaky is too similar to Pearson in his subs, they are often too early and always very predictable. If winning make defensive sub, if losing make attacking sub.

 

As OP stated making a negative sub (Amartey) only invites pressure on us rather than keep our attacking threat high

[Farrington fox]

38 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

Completely agree with the OP. In our title winning season there were many times Ranieri made positive subs even when we were 1-0 up, we'd gone on and win by 2 or 3. 

 

Shaky is too similar to Pearson in his subs, they are often too early and always very predictable. If winning make defensive sub, if losing make attacking sub.

 

As OP stated making a negative sub (Amartey) only invites pressure on us rather than keep our attacking threat high

I listened to Shakies post match interview where he gave his reasons for making the sub's he did. Although he wouldn't admit it, and rightly so, I reckon he knew he'd cocked up. I would hope should he find us in the same situation again he'll not be quite so negative.