Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[Nalis]

The desire to see Brendan Rodgers fail at other clubs feels a bit odd to me.

[Daggers]

Not to have a desire to be standing outside a kitchen window in the dark, silently looking in, just to catch the moment Rodgers cuts himself on an open can then bangs his head on a cupboard door, well that’s just weird to me. 

[Langston]

14 hours ago, Nalis said:

The desire to see Brendan Rodgers fail at other clubs feels a bit odd to me.

 

At least you've got the right thread for this!

[Ian Nacho]

The “Leicester boys are we, pride of our city” chant is absolutely dreadful. The worst bit about it is the “we won the premier league”; if Forest or Villa had a similar chant that randomly said they won the European cup we’d think it is cringe. Bin. 

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

The “Leicester boys are we, pride of our city” chant is absolutely dreadful. The worst bit about it is the “we won the premier league”; if Forest or Villa had a similar chant that randomly said they won the European cup we’d think it is cringe. Bin. 

I guess the difference being it’s very much recent history for us, followed up with the FA Cup. Forest and Villa have been mediocre and irrelevant for a generation 

Edited 22 September 2023 by Tommy G

[Sly]

5 hours ago, Tommy G said:

I guess the difference being it’s very much recent history for us, followed up with the FA Cup. Forest and Villa have been mediocre and irrelevant for a generation 

We’ve got another 3 years then it needs to go in the bin. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

This. Completely accurate. 

[Tommy Fresh]

39 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

This. Completely accurate. 

Class she puts some blame on the Government then moans that the NHS will blame the Government. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

24 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Class she puts some blame on the Government then moans that the NHS will blame the Government. 

Undoubtedly though in my mind, the problems are within the Trusts themselves. 
 

It needs a massive overhaul

[leicsmac]

15 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Undoubtedly though in my mind, the problems are within the Trusts themselves. 
 

It needs a massive overhaul

Were that overhaul to be proposed with the binding guarantee that the current model of a baseline of medical case regardless of financial status were to remain, then people should perhaps listen.

 

... is there such a guarantee when some people talk about NHS "reform" or "overhaul", or is it just a smokescreen for a change to a system where it's be rich and be OK...or be poor and suffer and die (or instead be attached to a lifetime of debt)?

[westernpark]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

This. Completely accurate. 

Where’s the evidence to support anything she says? I have many negative experiences of the NHS, but I would argue that they are down to a lack of funding or inadequate training. However that view is based on anecdotal evidence. I’m not quite sure how this individual can state all of this without a proper investigation. She was the same person who stated there was no poverty in the UK (except for the homeless) because people have Netflix subscriptions. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

33 minutes ago, westernpark said:

Where’s the evidence to support anything she says? I have many negative experiences of the NHS, but I would argue that they are down to a lack of funding or inadequate training. However that view is based on anecdotal evidence. I’m not quite sure how this individual can state all of this without a proper investigation. She was the same person who stated there was no poverty in the UK (except for the homeless) because people have Netflix subscriptions. 

I have my own experience based solely on Glenfield hospital a decade or so ago. Money being wasted hand over fist with regards Ward refurbishments 

Im not going to go into it online, but the public would be outraged had they realised what was going on back then. That was only one hospital

 

Also, wasn’t there something in the news around 2 years ago where an NHS member of staff from Leics Hospitals was either sacked or jailed for being unable to account where £45m went? 
 

Here we go 

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/heads-must-roll-after-leicester-4961771.amp

 

 

I’m sick to the back teeth of the NHS getting a free ride all the time. 
 

People only blame the Tories because it’s the Tories in charge the last 13 years. The same headlines, and the total lack of blame on the NHS would be the same had we had 13 years of Labour

[Grebfromgrebland]

Not quite true and there's too many reasons to list.

 

The thing to remember is that when labour left power the NHS was the best in the world. Literally world leading. Number 1.

 

Now look at it. It has been dismantled bit by bit through legislation, underfunding, corruption and rampant privatisation with zero concerns for patients and staff.

 

People are being forced into the hands of Bupa etc otherwise they die or live a life in pain or misery.

 

Yes, labour weren't perfect with their funding models but at least if you need hospital treatment or an ambulance it was available.

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

47 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Were that overhaul to be proposed with the binding guarantee that the current model of a baseline of medical case regardless of financial status were to remain, then people should perhaps listen.

 

... is there such a guarantee when some people talk about NHS "reform" or "overhaul", or is it just a smokescreen for a change to a system where it's be rich and be OK...or be poor and suffer and die (or instead be attached to a lifetime of debt)?

I completely agree.

 

Unfortunately though, in the eyes of most, the NHS is sacrosanct, and (any) government the arch enemy

 

 

I can’t see any party promising a proper overhaul as part of their manifesto- it just won’t win them votes. The irony is, if the government went in deep on the NHS it would exonerate themselves from most of the public, the opposition and the striking NHS staff’s accusations

 

They won’t do that though as they know the can of worms is far too large. 

[Tommy G]

14 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I have my own experience based solely on Glenfield hospital a decade or so ago. Money being wasted hand over fist with regards Ward refurbishments 

Im not going to go into it online, but the public would be outraged had they realised what was going on back then. That was only one hospital

 

Also, wasn’t there something in the news around 2 years ago where an NHS member of staff from Leics Hospitals was either sacked or jailed for being unable to account where £45m went? 
 

Here we go 

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/heads-must-roll-after-leicester-4961771.amp

 

 

I’m sick to the back teeth of the NHS getting a free ride all the time. 
 

People only blame the Tories because it’s the Tories in charge the last 13 years. The same headlines, and the total lack of blame on the NHS would be the same had we had 13 years of Labour

Taking politics out of it, the issue with the NHS is it’s being ran by people who have had either none or very little experience of running something commercially, to turn a profit, or incentivised to do so. 
 

Clearly there is a stark difference between the NHS and a private sector business but I can imagine there is a colossal waste of funds in all areas as there is very little motivation or accountability for the funding - in principle if the trust goes over budget they will just get more funding from central government 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Taking politics out of it, the issue with the NHS is it’s being ran by people who have had either none or very little experience of running something commercially, to turn a profit, or incentivised to do so. 
 

Clearly there is a stark difference between the NHS and a private sector business but I can imagine there is a colossal waste of funds in all areas as there is very little motivation or accountability for the funding - in principle if the trust goes over budget they will just get more funding from central government 

Precisely this

 

And when the government won’t stick their hands in their pockets more, everyone blames the government! 

 

 

[Blarmy]

My girlfriend is a finance partner in the NHS and she is always telling me about how much money is wasted. So much stuff is contracted out that doesn’t need to be - even her boss is agency and he sounds useless.  There is a lot of middle management, and a lot of money thrown at pointless initiatives.  It also seems that the organisation has its fair of internal mini-scandals with the books not balancing, spend not being signed off, etc. 

 

My belief is that yes, the NHS is underfunded and yes, it needs an overhaul. 

[westernpark]

26 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I have my own experience based solely on Glenfield hospital a decade or so ago. Money being wasted hand over fist with regards Ward refurbishments 

Im not going to go into it online, but the public would be outraged had they realised what was going on back then. That was only one hospital

 

Also, wasn’t there something in the news around 2 years ago where an NHS member of staff from Leics Hospitals was either sacked or jailed for being unable to account where £45m went? 
 

Here we go 

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/heads-must-roll-after-leicester-4961771.amp

 

 

I’m sick to the back teeth of the NHS getting a free ride all the time. 
 

People only blame the Tories because it’s the Tories in charge the last 13 years. The same headlines, and the total lack of blame on the NHS would be the same had we had 13 years of Labour

Yes they are all examples of money (potentially) being wasted. The NHS isn’t in a great state but I fear that it will become a battle line for politics in the culture wars (the use of leftie and the then blame of all problems on the current government- they have clearly contributed to some), when it needs a massive overhaul that isn’t a political debate (I won’t discuss politics any further on here!). My experience refers to various people dying, that was down to incompetence from staff or very long waiting lists. Also the public needs to take more responsibility for their own health, we need to encourage healthier living as a country.

[HighPeakFox]

Also, I seem to think that there is the NHS that serves patients, and then there is another body/ies called the NHS Trust, which uses the logo and everyone assumes is the same thing, but in actual fact that is the body/ies where all the people who are slowly destroying the NHS are operating, splitting everything up and building layers of management to create degrees of separation from the origin of the rot and the outcome, which is seen at the patient-facing end. Goodness knows what other offshoots there may be that use the NHS logo but are doing nothing but harm.

[Bordersfox]

What alternative would people like to see to the NHS?  The American system, so wonderfully efficient it costs around £25,000 to treat a broken leg as opposed to £4,000 in the U.K.  

 

The idea that large private organisations don't also spunk money all over the place wastefully is a complete fallacy.  The American health care is renowned for its Byzantine and wasteful administration and middle management gravy train.

 

The NHS ain't perfect and I'm sure it needs reform but the private model is demonstrably significantly worse. 

 

But I'm sure some random ranter on the internet banging on about leftie activists knows what's she's talking about.  Must be all those secret leftie activists in the Conservative party who have actually been in government, running the NHS, for the last 13 years that are to blame. 

 

Dear lord. 

[Wymsey]

If they don't have a valid reason to not have attended, I think patients should be fined something like £30 for missing their appointments.

[leicsmac]

34 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I completely agree.

 

Unfortunately though, in the eyes of most, the NHS is sacrosanct, and (any) government the arch enemy

 

 

I can’t see any party promising a proper overhaul as part of their manifesto- it just won’t win them votes. The irony is, if the government went in deep on the NHS it would exonerate themselves from most of the public, the opposition and the striking NHS staff’s accusations

 

They won’t do that though as they know the can of worms is far too large. 

People simply don't trust this current government to reform the NHS without making it the system I refer to above IMO, and I also think they are right to think this.

 

There are those in power at the minute who think that a social Darwinist worldview where the "weak" or "poor" are abandoned to their fate is acceptable.

 

There's certainly room to make such services be more efficient, but I don't think it's controversial to state that the priority of the NHS should be preserving human life and comfort, regardless of cost.

[leicsmac]

37 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Taking politics out of it, the issue with the NHS is it’s being ran by people who have had either none or very little experience of running something commercially, to turn a profit, or incentivised to do so. 
 

Clearly there is a stark difference between the NHS and a private sector business but I can imagine there is a colossal waste of funds in all areas as there is very little motivation or accountability for the funding - in principle if the trust goes over budget they will just get more funding from central government 

As there should be when you're dealing with something (human life and suffering) that in principle and practice should be above material value.

 

What use is money to a sick or dead person?

[foxile5]

18 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

What alternative would people like to see to the NHS?  The American system, so wonderfully efficient it costs around £25,000 to treat a broken leg as opposed to £4,000 in the U.K.  

 

The idea that large private organisations don't also spunk money all over the place wastefully is a complete fallacy.  The American health care is renowned for its Byzantine and wasteful administration and middle management gravy train.

 

The NHS ain't perfect and I'm sure it needs reform but the private model is demonstrably significantly worse. 

 

But I'm sure some random ranter on the internet banging on about leftie activists knows what's she's talking about.  Must be all those secret leftie activists in the Conservative party who have actually been in government, running the NHS, for the last 13 years that are to blame. 

 

Dear lord. 

Herein lies the problem.

 

Any reform of the NHS won't be with free at the point of service health care in mind. It'll be with 'how can we maximize profit' in mind and will effectively remove health care from those who most need it.

 

However, for some, it won't be enough to know this. It'll only be in reality when they're charged 45k for an unavoidable op that they realize it.

 

We're not a country that would do cheap health care. The class system here dictates that nothing good will come for free.

[HighPeakFox]

11 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

A social Darwinist worldview

A euphemism for the ages, right there.