Analysing the last 3 seasons and even further..

[Collymore]

If you break the premier league seasons into half (so we are playing our 7th half season now) you could argue that some might be having a melt down over nothing.

 

1 we were playing very well but couldn't get the results

2 the great escape

3 and 4 the title season  (nothing to add)

 

5 Probably our worst performance that cost CR his job

6 champions league progression and return to Pl form

7 - current - This can only be filled in a few months as we've had a very tough start.

 

we have actually  been consistently very good over the the last 3 seasons as only 1 in 6 half seasons were a true s**t storm. If you go back further to the championship it's more like 1 in 10 or 12? (struggling to remember if we had a half a season wobble in the seasons before we were promoted)

 

I know there's a lot of doom and gloom around at the moment but we also shouldn't be surprised if we turn it around and it turns into a good season... At least stats from the past shows that's more likely... 

[Harry - LCFC]

It's too early to make firm judgements. We've done worse than I expected but not that much worse. Shakespeare has made mistakes but has the opportunity to learn from them.

 

I'm mildly disappointed, but not concerned.

[StanSP]

9 minutes ago, Collymore said:

If you break the premier league seasons into half (so we are playing our 7th half season now) you could argue that we might all be have a melt down over nothing.

 

1 we were playing very well but couldn't get the results

2 the great escape

3 and 4 the title season  (nothing to add)

 

5 Probably our worst performance that cost CR his job

6 champions league progression and return to Pl form

7 - current - This can only be filled in a few months as we've had a very tough start.

 

we have actually  been consistently very good over the the last 3 seasons as only 1 in 6 half seasons were a true s**t storm. If you go back further to the championship it's more like 1 in 10 or 12? (struggling to remember if we had a half a season wobble in the seasons before we were promoted)

 

I know there's a lot of doom and gloom around at the moment but we also shouldn't be surprised if we turn it around and it turns into a good season... At least stats from the past shows that's more likely... 

you know how FoxesTalk works!

[Collymore]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

you know how FoxesTalk works!

Had actually edited that part!

[Fox92]

Haven't seen enough to suggest it will turn into a good season.

 

We bottled it at Arsenal, beat a poor Brighton team, did fvck all and contained all game against Manchester United, didn't make Chelsea get out of second gear either and were largely dominated by a newly promoted Huddersfield side.

[davieG]

As long as this doesn't turn into another season 5.

[mod hero]

1 hour ago, Harry - LCFC said:

It's too early to make firm judgements. We've done worse than I expected but not that much worse. Shakespeare has made mistakes but has the opportunity to learn from them.

 

I'm mildly disappointed, but not concerned.

This is the reason we are all worried. Shakey is making mistakes almost every week. The results have almost gone as I would've expected but Shakespeare's decisions have been baffling. 

 

That is is why we are all worried I think 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

5 minutes ago, mod hero said:

This is the reason we are all worried. Shakey is making mistakes almost every week. The results have almost gone as I would've expected but Shakespeare's decisions have been baffling. 

 

That is is why we are all worried I think 

I dont think Shakespeare made mistakes yesterday. Unless he tactically told us to be rubbish for the 1st half. Think we just played badly

[Koke]

27 minutes ago, davieG said:

As long as this doesn't turn into another season 5.

 

Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead?

[davieG]

Just now, Koke said:

 

Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead?

The Walking Dead.

[KingsX]

I love these morning after threads.

 

[soulieoldie]

2014/2015 finished 14th

2015/2016 doesn't count, came completely out of the blue,not likely to be repeated.

2016/2017 finished 12th

2017/2018 anything higher than 12th is a move onwards and upwards 

 

[crisp packet]

3 minutes ago, soulieoldie said:

2014/2015 finished 14th

2015/2016 not likely to be repeated.

2016/2017 finished 12th

2017/2018 anything higher than 12th is a move onwards and upwards 

 

Edited for you - 2015/16

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

5 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said:

It's too early to make firm judgements. We've done worse than I expected but not that much worse. Shakespeare has made mistakes but has the opportunity to learn from them.

 

I'm mildly disappointed, but not concerned.

I wasn't impressed yesterday but I'm going to be forgiving for a while as I'm pretty sure the Drinky/Silva debacle wouldn't have been his fault, and we've not seen Iborra and barely any Iheanacho because of injuries, Huth has been injured, Matty James and Fuchs now injured, Drinky was (haha) injured, and when we started losing games at the end of last season there was injuries popping up all over the place too

 

He's having to constantly make judgements and pick from a fairly limited selection - this was never a worry for Ranieri in the title-winning season and I can't remember Pearson having multiple players out in the Championship or great escape seasons. Still not sold on his tactics but as you say he's new to this and will learn

[Kitchandro]

4 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I dont think Shakespeare made mistakes yesterday. Unless he tactically told us to be rubbish for the 1st half. Think we just played badly

The concern is, if he's told them to up the tempo and press them, then they're not listening to him.

 

If he's not telling them to do those things then we will be in a relegation scrap and he should be sacked straight away.

 

Results this early in the season will never be the be all and end all, but the performances since Shakespeare took over haven't been good enough on the whole. Playing badly in one or two matches happens. When certain aspects of the performances are continually bad (i.e. our lack of tempo and intensity with and without the ball, playing with 2 central midfielders who don't impose themselves on the game, poor substitutions) then it is a cause for concern.

 

We need to take a rapidly different approach to future matches or concern will grow and grow. At the moment there isn't much to suggest anything other than continued, steady decline. As with before the season I predict an underwhelming finish with us rarely entertaining, with a serious possibility of relegation within 2 or 3 seasons due to stagnation and no long term plan.

[m4DD0gg]

Analyse all you want but its crystal clear neither the manager nor the midfield is any good.

[Guest Danny Clender]

This is how Algebra should be taught at school. 

[foxinsocks]

7 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said:

It's too early to make firm judgements. We've done worse than I expected but not that much worse. Shakespeare has made mistakes but has the opportunity to learn from them.

 

I'm mildly disappointed, but not concerned.

the issue is:  is there any sign of learning from these expensive lessons?  I don't expect shakey to come out and say he is doing a cr@p job... but I would look for some recognition that the tactics might have been an error.

 

Cards on the table:  I like shakey - but I worry that he is too cautious (maybe he needs to talk to the psychologist);    he need to be strong with players e.g. the signs are that slimani has not taken the opportunity to correct any of his faults ( ability to shoot form range.. playing with back to goal... bulk up int he gym) - he should not be played until he has address these issues (visibly);  he needs to be strong and willing to chase games (where was the chase when one nil down at home v chelski?)

 

The sale of drinky was a massive error - sending the wrong message to our players and to other clubs (i.e. don't worry about contracts we wont hold you to them) - we can't know but I bet shakey didn't have a forceful opinion in the internal discussions.  

 

If shaky is the right man I would expect to she a much more forceful style of leadership... let's see

[Innovindil]

1 hour ago, m4DD0gg said:

Analyse all you want but its crystal clear neither the manager nor the midfield is any good.

Of course our midfield isn't very good. But that isn't shakey's fault. He was supposed to have iborra and Silva to play with, he doesn't. Those 2 in midfield with ndidi would be monstrous. 

[Leeds Fox]

14 hours ago, Collymore said:

If you break the premier league seasons into half (so we are playing our 7th half season now) you could argue that some might be having a melt down over nothing.

 

1 we were playing very well but couldn't get the results

2 the great escape

3 and 4 the title season  (nothing to add)

 

5 Probably our worst performance that cost CR his job

6 champions league progression and return to Pl form

7 - current - This can only be filled in a few months as we've had a very tough start.

 

we have actually  been consistently very good over the the last 3 seasons as only 1 in 6 half seasons were a true s**t storm. If you go back further to the championship it's more like 1 in 10 or 12? (struggling to remember if we had a half a season wobble in the seasons before we were promoted)

 

I know there's a lot of doom and gloom around at the moment but we also shouldn't be surprised if we turn it around and it turns into a good season... At least stats from the past shows that's more likely... 

 

The season we were looking good for promotion and then we couldn't buy a win for about 3 months under Sven springs to mind. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said:

It's too early to make firm judgements. We've done worse than I expected but not that much worse. Shakespeare has made mistakes but has the opportunity to learn from them.

 

I'm mildly disappointed, but not concerned.

About sums up my feelings.

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 hours ago, StanSP said:

you know how FoxesTalk works!

It wouldn't be inappropriate to rename FoxesTalk to MeltDownOverNothing.

[EnglishOxide]

We've had it very good all in all.

 

We've had it so good in fact that downturns in results feel worse because it's compared to our good times.

 

Whilst I support Shakey and believe that he will come good, I do think we have a very good squad and I would be very interested in seeing what a top class proven manager could do with it.

 

That said, we will have more of an idea of Shakespeare's ability to take us forward (as opposed to treading water which he has been doing) over the next 10/15 games

[norwichfox]

On 9/17/2017 at 20:20, Danny Clender said:

This is how Algebra should be taught at school. 

No...Algebra should not be taught at school.....

[winteriscoming]

You could argue that taking away the title winning season we are where we should be. We've certainly lost two influential players (Kante and drinkwater). Our best players are still from the side that was promoted vardy and mahrez this shows lack of quality recruitment and no sign of moving foward. As shown with appointing Shakespeare in the summer. Don't get me wrong I think we'll be okay this season but it is worrying that our manager is happy with drawing at Huddersfield and Bournemouth. I just question our progression this season.