Iheanacho to Besiktas?

[Heymister2015]

I'd suggest you can't have a judgement yet barely playing causes rustiness and cameo's of losing the ball or not looking sharp and straight the way he's not great/ he looks slow/ cant see any potential there. I seem to remember a very similar Okazaki when he first came to club, but actually had games/mins and the chance to show and improve.  It's as if nacho has been here the length of time Amartey has, where it's fair to have the assumption he's not good enough, because games have been given and mistakes have been made over seasons rather than 5 months

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, Heymister2015 said:

I'd suggest you can't have a judgement yet barely playing causes rustiness and cameo's of losing the ball or not looking sharp and straight the way he's not great/ he looks slow/ cant see any potential there. I seem to remember a very similar Okazaki when he first came to club, but actually had games/mins and the chance to show and improve. 

 

Then your memory can't be great, Shinji was outstanding in his first couple of games against Sunderland and West Ham.

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Heymister2015 said:

I'd suggest you can't have a judgement yet barely playing causes rustiness and cameo's of losing the ball or not looking sharp and straight the way he's not great/ he looks slow/ cant see any potential there. I seem to remember a very similar Okazaki when he first came to club, but actually had games/mins and the chance to show and improve.  It's as if nacho has been here the length of time Amartey has, where it's fair to have the assumption he's not good enough, because games have been given and mistakes have been made over seasons rather than 5 months

Shinji was absolutely brilliant in the first few games for us, you must be thinking of someone else.

[Chrysalis]

Heymister2015 I can judge players when I want even after 1 min of football, its my own choice when I judge a player thank you.  In my case I think coming on as a sub for several games early in the season is plenty of time to show his promise which he miserably failed to do.

 

e.g. with gray I recognised he had ability from his initial sub appearances, his problem was decision making which has improved gradually over time.

 

If nacho had the ability of a 30 million pound player then he wouldnt need to be starting 20+ games in a row to show it. It is as simple as that really.

 

We are not in a development league, we are not a development team, we dont play players in our first team to develop them, if they not good enough they shouldnt be in the first team.  I am glad claude recognised this with nacho.

 

Now its possible in a few years he could be a different player, but I am talking as of right now, this season.

Edited 10 January 2018 by Chrysalis

[Heymister2015]

 ok well I'll judge him playing at Arsenal away with an injury and his 5 mins cameo's and think he's 21, international footballer, with a buy back clause and rated amongst the top young footballers with the best mins to goal ratio in the league before his arrival and think ragardless of his average performances so far! Like most young talented footballers will come good. Rather than ah get rid/ waste of money/ times up/ he weren't make it. And football fans wonder why there called fickle. ( and regarding Leicester not being a developing club, why did puel say he'd rather develop players, why did we sign Ndidi and bring through Chilwell? because they have great potential and need games to guess what? Develop)

Edited 10 January 2018 by Heymister2015

[srex9]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

By watching him play for us.

 

Usually I can judge a player after a few sub appearances, I am not saying I have always got it right, but I have been right most of the time from my time at judging players.

 

He has had several appearances for us now.

 

If a player doest apply much effort but has quality I let the lack of effort slip.  If a player applies effort but has little quality, its hard to ignore but I give the player more time to improve.

 

Sadly in nacho's case he doesnt have quality and his effort is lacking.  It wouldnt suprise me if he is on anti depressants for moving from a pep team to ourselves.

 

I feel like i am talking to brick walls tho, I make posts explaining what I say, then another post will popup with something like.

 

"but he hasnt had a chance" right after I explained he has had a chance.  I dont get it.

 

If I player needs a 1000 mins of football to even show promise then he isnt good enough. Elvis hammond could probably do what he did at man city.

I'm sorry but I feel this is the opinion of somebody who has never played top level sport. I completely understand why people would have that opinion...but every player is different. Unfortunately for Nacho, he hasn't had the consistent game time. Consistency is the key for a player like him. Still young, in need of a confidence boost. He has always had the support of those around him but he has had to move for the first time in his career and is still incredibly young and talented. I feel a loan move will do him good, and hopefully help us as well. 

 

If players are expected to take a chance in 1 or 2 games, then that's unrealistic and a lot of talent will go to waste. Some players take even longer to settle and bed in. Nacho strikes me as one of these. Vardy is the best example of this. We should not sell after such a short period of time. Too young. Too much potential to waste. 

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Heymister2015 said:

Id love to know how Leicester fans know he's not very good. Having played cameos coming back from injury and only being 21 

Because based on what I've seen he isn't very good. Based on what the manager's seen, he doesn't seem overly keen either.

 

I get the whole point about his Man City record and his age, but I just can't believe in something until I see it.

 

You can forgive someone like Gray or Chilwell who at least shows something.

 

Iheanacho, so far, has looked useless.

 

I really, really hope his rumoured wage is bullshit. That's appalling business by us if so.

[lcfc sheff]

In a team where fullbacks and cm's pushed up the pitch iheanacho will prove his worth, playing the lone striker when your 21 isn't beneficial to him, he's not big enough to handle that.

[ozleicester]

I can remember our fans slagging off... Harry Kane, Kyle Naughton, Danny Drinkwater and Jesse Linguard.

 

Our judgement of young players here is..... outstanding!

[NGoloMode]

If Man City were so keen to add a buy back there must be something about him. Although it's hard to judge when he barely gets on the pitch.

 

He'll come good probably for someone else. Reminds me of the Kramaric situation

[m4DD0gg]

16 minutes ago, dominicmsb said:

If Man City were so keen to add a buy back there must be something about him. Although it's hard to judge when he barely gets on the pitch.

 

He'll come good probably for someone else. Reminds me of the Kramaric situation

Ah yes the other waste of money. 

[RumbleFox]

9 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

By watching him play for us.

 

Usually I can judge a player after a few sub appearances, I am not saying I have always got it right, but I have been right most of the time from my time at judging players.

 

He has had several appearances for us now.

 

If a player doest apply much effort but has quality I let the lack of effort slip.  If a player applies effort but has little quality, its hard to ignore but I give the player more time to improve.

 

Sadly in nacho's case he doesnt have quality and his effort is lacking.  It wouldnt suprise me if he is on anti depressants for moving from a pep team to ourselves.

 

I feel like i am talking to brick walls tho, I make posts explaining what I say, then another post will popup with something like.

 

"but he hasnt had a chance" right after I explained he has had a chance.  I dont get it.

 

If I player needs a 1000 mins of football to even show promise then he isnt good enough. Elvis hammond could probably do what he did at man city.

If you could genuinely judge a player after a few sub appearances you would be the world's best scout and a millionaire.  You may be right about Iheanacho, you may not but to write someone off so early does seem a little silly.  He has not had ENOUGH of a chance.  You may be proved right and he has been given maybe 1/10 of a chance so far.  We'll see.  I think he has talent but, unlike you, I will reserve judgement until I have seen him a few more times. X

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

I can remember our fans slagging off... Harry Kane, Kyle Naughton, Danny Drinkwater and Jesse Linguard.

 

Our judgement of young players here is..... outstanding!

Naughton was pretty much universally liked here, I can't remember him getting slated whatsoever.

[lgfualol]

I think he has quality but not sure he has the workrate needed in the team. That can change though I guess. 

 

Being in our long term plans means nothing though, as soon as he has a good season Man City will take him back :/

[ZeGuy]

9 hours ago, Heymister2015 said:

Id love to know how Leicester fans know he's not very good. Having played cameos coming back from injury and only being 21 

You're on FT mate.

 

People here are so good they don't need more than a few minutes to pass judgement on a player and then meticulously discard any further fact that could get in the way of their opinion.

 

Sometimes they don't even need to see a manager to tell how you shit he is.

Edited 11 January 2018 by ZeGuy

[Ric Flair]

He looks as unsuited to this team as Kramaric did to the pressing style Ranieri played in 2015/16. The thing with Kramaric was we knew the ability was there in abundance but we appreciated that unless we changed our style of play he wasn't going to feature much as our whole game was based on chasing from the front. Iheanacho is similar in he won't press, he strolls about like Beckford did for us. These players suit certain systems, and I could see him doing well in a heavy possession based team who knock it about in front of the oppositions defence for ages probing for openings which he'd stick away, very much like Man City did when he was there. He has to get fitter, show more desire and work rate and ultimately needs confidence which can really turn strikers from looking ordinary in to world beaters.

[Bluetintedspecs]

10 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

By watching him play for us.

 

Usually I can judge a player after a few sub appearances, I am not saying I have always got it right, but I have been right most of the time from my time at judging players.

 

He has had several appearances for us now.

 

If a player doest apply much effort but has quality I let the lack of effort slip.  If a player applies effort but has little quality, its hard to ignore but I give the player more time to improve.

 

Sadly in nacho's case he doesnt have quality and his effort is lacking.  It wouldnt suprise me if he is on anti depressants for moving from a pep team to ourselves.

 

I feel like i am talking to brick walls tho, I make posts explaining what I say, then another post will popup with something like.

 

"but he hasnt had a chance" right after I explained he has had a chance.  I dont get it.

 

If I player needs a 1000 mins of football to even show promise then he isnt good enough. Elvis hammond could probably do what he did at man city.

You know so much I guess you earn a decent wage scouting for a top club Chrysalis? Are you allowed to tell us which club you work for? 

It's refreshing to hear that a professional like you give players time and  chance, that is evident in your obvious knowledge and tremendous patience with Kelechi.

Keep up the great work.

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

I can remember our fans slagging off... Harry Kane, Kyle Naughton, Danny Drinkwater and Jesse Linguard.

 

Our judgement of young players here is..... outstanding!

Well kane didnt cost 10s of millions when he was here.

kane was younger when he was here.

kane was out of position when here.

 

I remember naughton been rated very highly here, drinkwater seemed 50/50, and cannot remember linguard.  However I will say it again, we are now an established EPL team, we not going to develop players in our first team, doing such a thing would get us relegated.

 

Funny enough I think the opposite view on age, on here there seems to be heavy favouritism to young players, we get proven players like ulloa called "league one level", and players like nacho who cannot even control the ball called "promising".  The only reason I can think off is nacho is been favoured because of his age.

 

Go and watch the under 23s if you dont like older players.

Edited 11 January 2018 by Chrysalis

[ozleicester]

3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Well kane didnt cost 10s of millions when he was here.

kane was younger when he was here.

kane was out of position when here.

 

Funny enough I think the opposite view, on here there seems to be heavy favouritism to young players, we get proven players like ulloa called "league one level", and players like nacho who cannot even control the ball called "promising".  The only reason I can think off is nacho is been favoured because of his age.

 

Go and watch the under 23s if you dont like older players.

If we had wanted to buy him... the prices will have been similar (allowing for absurd inflation)

He was 20-21 (same as Iheanacho)

Out of position (same as Iheanacho)

 

we like almost all forums/internet.. tend to overreact and spout off before actually taking time to look.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Kelechi will come good

 

Either for us (if he learns our playing style) or someone else.

 

More than anything I think he needs a run of games to find his feet.

[Chrysalis]

We also tend to not read posts, as I have stated several times I have watched and examined nacho during his time on the pitch.  So please dont claim I have not "had a look".

 

Nacho was not played out of position.  Kane was put on the wing.

 

The ifs and buts are there but we didnt buy kane we loaned him in. Also with kane we were in a lower division, so lower standards were acceptable.

 

I am ok with nacho getting game time, but not in our first team, we cannot be carrying him playing with 10 men, we not man city. Loan him out, play in under 23s etc. After a couple of years of that give him another shot if he hasnt been sold by then.

[m4DD0gg]

https://mobile.twitter.com/bigmarshy20/status/951185303737430017

 

[Chrysalis]

4 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Kelechi will come good

 

Either for us (if he learns our playing style) or someone else.

 

More than anything I think he needs a run of games to find his feet.

He had a run of over 7 games early season.  As I said, we cannot carry players in the EPL, if the guy isnt good enough to at least show "some" usefulness in a game, he needs to be loaned out or something.

[desertfox2]

2 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Naughton was pretty much universally liked here, I can't remember him getting slated whatsoever.

Naughton was great for us at the time. 7 out of 10 practically every game. Solid.

[Jon the Hat]

11 hours ago, weller54 said:

And the fact he has to try and make ends meet on a measly £115,000 pw.. Poor bloke!.. anyone would be on antidepressants under those circumstances! 

Depression cares nothing for money.