"Rooney" Rule

[Finnegan]

Is there a single person in the normal world that thinks the Rooney rule is a good idea? I don't understand why clueless organisations in a desperate bid to be "inclusive" come back to this absolute rubbish. 

 

I think the sentiment is great, I think anyone that wants to promote equality for its own sake largely has their heart in the right place. 

 

Bit when has tokenism ever been a positive thing? Find me a self respecting BME worker that would want to be interviewed or hired exclusively because of their race, culture, gender, religion etc. 

 

In fact, find me any self respecting human being that wouldn't want to be employed purely on merit. 

If there's a lack of black coaches in the game, I'm all for addressing the balance, I'm all for encouraging minority groups to get in to coaching, I'm all for promoting employers to consider minority candidates but you make it compulsory and you instantly start taking steps backwards. 

 

TLDR: the FA are ****ing retarded, out of touch and out of ideas. 

[Manwell Pablo]

Wait? Wayne Rooney's Black?

[Nigel Graham Pearson]

Gerrerin!

 

 

[Wymsey]

It's quite frustrating that the 'racism' card gets heavily handed out when people complain of a lack of black coaches in the game etc.

I'm sure there's plenty of other ethnical types, including white individuals, that had to deal with rejection purely because there were more-suited applicants than them who were chosen for a role - because of the chosen applicants' qualities against what the employer was looking for match-up the best - instead of not believing/thinking that it was because of the colour of their skin.

 

Not sure why there's controversy about the lack of ethnic diversity in the game, as you see plenty who are regularly playing on a football pitch across the league, which was warranted due to how effective they are for the team and not because of their skin colour..

Edited 9 January 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[somebum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42623021

 

Football Association adopts 'Rooney Rule' as Martin Glenn outlines 2018 plans

 

 

• 7 minutes ago
• The Football Association will interview at least one applicant from a Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic background for future roles in the England set-up.

English football's governing body will adopt its own version of the 'Rooney Rule' implemented in the NFL in 2003.

Chief executive Martin Glenn said the move showed the "FA is for all".

"What it will say is the opportunity to have a career beyond playing is something that the FA is serious about promoting," Glenn told BBC Sport.

"The FA wants to become a more inclusive organisation where the workforce more represents the people who play football today."

The move will apply to jobs across England teams but BAME applicants will still need to show they meet the relevant recruitment criteria.

English Football League clubs agreed to introduce their own version of the 'Rooney Rule' from 1 January but the same measure has been applied to roles in their academies since June.

Research conducted in November showed 22 of 482 roles across England's top-four leagues were filled by coaches from BAME backgrounds.

 

About time this fantastic rule was adopted here. Black managers just dont get a chance. If you look at some of the fantastic managerial records of John Barnes, Paul Ince, Carlton Palmer and others, it does make you wonder if there is a more sinister agenda operating...institutional racism? 

 

I am ? delighted

[Lovejoy]

27 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Is there a single person in the normal world that thinks the Rooney rule is a good idea? I don't understand why clueless organisations in a desperate bid to be "inclusive" come back to this absolute rubbish. 

 

I think the sentiment is great, I think anyone that wants to promote equality for its own sake largely has their heart in the right place. 

 

Bit when has tokenism ever been a positive thing? Find me a self respecting BME worker that would want to be interviewed or hired exclusively because of their race, culture, gender, religion etc. 

 

In fact, find me any self respecting human being that wouldn't want to be employed purely on merit. 

If there's a lack of black coaches in the game, I'm all for addressing the balance, I'm all for encouraging minority groups to get in to coaching, I'm all for promoting employers to consider minority candidates but you make it compulsory and you instantly start taking steps backwards. 

 

TLDR: the FA are ****ing retarded, out of touch and out of ideas. 

I remember Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink saying it was the most insulting thing he'd come across in his career. His career was moving in the right direction at the time (Burton, QPR etc) and he argued it would knock his confidence as currently, he knew he was being considered on merit.

[Captain...]

So:

 

English Football League clubs agreed to introduce their own version of the 'Rooney Rule' from 1 January but the same measure has been applied to roles in their academies since June.

Research conducted in November showed 22 of 482 roles across England's top-four leagues were filled by coaches from BAME backgrounds.

 

How many jobs come up a year? Those 22 are going to be asked to a lot of interviews.

 

I can imagine the conversation each time a vacancy comes up,

"Right lads we need an experienced coach, let's interview these 3 experienced coached and then we need a black one."

"Not many to choose from are there."

"I know," quick call to Ipswich "Mick, can we borrow your assistant for half an hour"

..."Just for an interview"...

..."don't worry he's got no chance of getting the job."...

..."We'll let you borrow our asian coach when you've got a vacancy."

..."Cheers, Mick."

 

I get that something needs to be done, if they adapted it slightly so it was for any limited experience roles, so any FA level 1 coaching badge roles, I would understand it, or if it was that if any BAME applicants apply and meet all the experience and qualification criteria, then at least one should be interviewed. If no BAME coaches apply for a job what do you do? You think you've found your man, but you can't hire him until you have interviewed a BAME candidate, of which there aren't many, because the problem is too ingrained into the sport that there probably aren't that many BAME with UEFA pro licenses to chose from.

[EnglishOxide]

Nothing screams equality and diversity like being forced to interview the token non-white guy.

 

The likes of Sol Cambell and Paul Ince don't get jobs because they are fvcking shit and refuse to start at the bottom of the tree, like many ex pros.

 

Ince doesn't even apply for jobs and expects chairmen to seek him out by text.

Edited 9 January 2018 by EnglishOxide

[foxfanazer]

6 minutes ago, somebum said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42623021

 

Football Association adopts 'Rooney Rule' as Martin Glenn outlines 2018 plans

 

 

• 7 minutes ago
• The Football Association will interview at least one applicant from a Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic background for future roles in the England set-up.

English football's governing body will adopt its own version of the 'Rooney Rule' implemented in the NFL in 2003.

Chief executive Martin Glenn said the move showed the "FA is for all".

"What it will say is the opportunity to have a career beyond playing is something that the FA is serious about promoting," Glenn told BBC Sport.

"The FA wants to become a more inclusive organisation where the workforce more represents the people who play football today."

The move will apply to jobs across England teams but BAME applicants will still need to show they meet the relevant recruitment criteria.

English Football League clubs agreed to introduce their own version of the 'Rooney Rule' from 1 January but the same measure has been applied to roles in their academies since June.

Research conducted in November showed 22 of 482 roles across England's top-four leagues were filled by coaches from BAME backgrounds.

 

About time this fantastic rule was adopted here. Black managers just dont get a chance. If you look at some of the fantastic managerial records of John Barnes, Paul Ince, Carlton Palmer and others, it does make you wonder if there is a more sinister agenda operating...institutional racism? 

 

I am ? delighted

At the risk of sounding racist, what in God’s name are you talking about?

[lestajigs]

I don’t think it’s anything to Paul inces skin why he hasn’t been hired,  by a half decent team in years, he’s bloody crap 

[Guest MattP]

Ironically, only a group of guilt ridden white men could come up with such a ridiculous idea.

 

Horrible knowing people are going to be going for job interviews with no chance of getting the job and are just there just because of their skin colour.

[Captain...]

4 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

I remember Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink saying it was the most insulting thing he'd come across in his career. His career was moving in the right direction at the time (Burton, QPR etc) and he argued it would knock his confidence as currently, he knew he was being considered on merit.

Hey Jimmy, we would like to interview you for the Stoke job...

...sorry it's going to Martin O'Neill, but you were close.

 

Hey Jimmy we would like to interview you for the Everton Job...

...sorry we've decided to give it to big Sam, but you were close.

 

Hey Jimmy we would like to interview you for the Chelsea job...

...sorry Jimmy we've given it to Carlo Ancelotti, but you were close.

 

Northampton town owner:

 

"So Jimmy, I see you've been linked with a lot of jobs and you've been going for interviews, I don't think your heart is really in this job. You're fired!"

[foxinsocks]

its is a reflection on the systematic racism of the people at the fa that they need a rule to prevent their "normal behavior" being an embarrassment

[Dan]

Absolutely ridiculous idea with literally no winners. Spineless.

[Wymsey]

They'll probably allow for wheelchair users etc next to apply..

[Stadt]

21 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

They'll probably allow for wheelchair users etc next to apply..

 

[somebum]

Well i think its a marvellous idea and all you critics are horrible racists 

[bovril]

51 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

They'll probably allow for wheelchair users etc next to apply..

I say keep them banned. Could be dangerous in the dugout. 

[Kitchandro]

It's totally degrading.

 

And I don't think anything 'needs to be done' either. Unless there is a law already in place that stops black people getting jobs that I don't know about?

 

Which black manager should have got a job that they didn't get?

 

 

 

[Ted Maul]

Whilst I agree that there should be more black coaches and managers in the game, I don't think enforced positive discrimination at the interview stage will help much. I can't see Premier League clubs saying "that Ancelotti had a decent CV, put Paul Ince blew us away on the interview".

 

Maybe it helps in America, but they've got bigger issues with institutionalised racism than we have.

 

Surely a better/more proactive way of creating successful black managers would be to offer them guidance, training and qualifications as they approach the end of their playing careers?

Edited 9 January 2018 by Ted Maul

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Ironically, only a group of guilt ridden white men could come up with such a ridiculous idea.

 

Horrible knowing people are going to be going for job interviews with no chance of getting the job and are just there just because of their skin colour.

Some enterprising chap is going to make a pretty good living doing interviews for hire 

[mancunianfox]

It has worked well in the NFL but the difference is that their coaching structure is completely different to ours as top coaches rarely had distinguished playing careers. The vast majority of players never have the opportunity to go pro and a lot being to work as coaches in high school or college programmes which means that there are loads of black coaches at all levels of the game. I don't think you could argue that any of the head coaches appointed since the Rooney Rule weren't appointed on merit but how many of those wouldn't have been appointed without the Rooney Rule is debatable. Several black coaches have won the superbowl and the Steelers' Mike Tomlin is one of the best head coaches full stop.

 

In football there does not appear to be a whole load of black coaches just waiting for a chance so I suspect that this will just lead to the same names getting interviews to satisfy the rule. With the amount of black players you would think it would just be a matter of time until a black coach does really well but as with British coaches in general until top jobs aren't coming until success at a lower level has been proved first.

 

I would have thought that a Rooney type rule mandating that all clubs must interview a British manager would be more useful at this point and that would help British coaches who are black too.

[Itsthejoeker]

2 minutes ago, mancunianfox said:

It has worked well in the NFL but the difference is that their coaching structure is completely different to ours as top coaches rarely had distinguished playing careers. The vast majority of players never have the opportunity to go pro and a lot being to work as coaches in high school or college programmes which means that there are loads of black coaches at all levels of the game. I don't think you could argue that any of the head coaches appointed since the Rooney Rule weren't appointed on merit but how many of those wouldn't have been appointed without the Rooney Rule is debatable. Several black coaches have won the superbowl and the Steelers' Mike Tomlin is one of the best head coaches full stop.

 

In football there does not appear to be a whole load of black coaches just waiting for a chance so I suspect that this will just lead to the same names getting interviews to satisfy the rule. With the amount of black players you would think it would just be a matter of time until a black coach does really well but as with British coaches in general until top jobs aren't coming until success at a lower level has been proved first.

 

I would have thought that a Rooney type rule mandating that all clubs must interview a British manager would be more useful at this point and that would help British coaches who are black too.

 

Part of the problem is the lack of black coaches, if you don't see people like you in a job role you won't aspire to it, which in turn sparks a constant recycling of the same few names.

 

There doesn't need to be a rule to ensure people get interviews, you need to encourage more black people to go into coaching.

[mancunianfox]

Just now, Itsthejoeker said:

Part of the problem is the lack of black coaches, if you don't see people like you in a job role you won't aspire to it, which in turn sparks a constant recycling of the same few names.

 

There doesn't need to be a rule to ensure people get interviews, you need to encourage more black people to go into coaching.

Totally agree.

[Mike Oxlong]

Fair enough IMO.

 

Game needs more granny shaggers.