Bournemouth post match 1-1

[oxtonfox]

37 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Win next week and then overcome Chelsea and everyone will wish they'd never written some of the stuff above. Not beyond the realms of possibility.

Haha. I'll believe it when it happens. West Brom could be tricky - with them on a terrible run we have a habit of gifting out of form teams a couple of goals and a change of fortune. See Watford away and then Everton away; on both occasions those teams were bottom of the form table and on terrible runs - until we turned up! Add to that Palace at home who hadn't scored away until they played us then bagged three away goals and gave us a stuffing. 

 

I only hope you are right mate. 

[Spudulike]

CleverFox is right, you know (that is not sarcasm, btw).

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Tringfox said:

You mentioned we’re getting no luck at the minute, well what I saw yesterday we were lucky not to be 3-0 by halftime, we were lucky not  to concede another penalty with Ndidi and we were very lucky to come out of that game with a draw! And that’s just yesterday!

What you say is of course true (and remember butland threw one in the other week) but I did comment yesterday that almost every ricochet seemed to find itself falling to a Bournemouth player.  missing their chances isn’t necessarily luck on our part - more poor play on theirs. Just as missing our chances is poor play by us. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

2 hours ago, Beechey said:

Can Puel legislate for the other team defending well and blocking absolutely everything? No. Can he legislate for players missing clear chances? No. What do you lot want from him?

 

Sorry mate, but that's rubbish. 48% of our passes went into the final third yesterday, not in our half. Almost 80% of our passes went forwards yesterday. Not sure what else to say other than that you're statistically wrong. You can claim that we're just passing it around at the back or whatever all you'd like, but that doesn't really bare out either when you see that we had 16 shots from inside their box yesterday too (if we were attacking really poorly, like you suggest, you'd expect lots of long range efforts). Like I said, our final ball is missing. We weren't incisive enough yesterday, and Albrighton had a particularly poor game I thought. Much rather have Diabate play for a few games.

Interesting.

 

Its just not yesterday though is it.

 

Of all those shots, most were potshots. How many chances were created for the bloke who is one of, If not the best converter of chances in the PL - Vardy?

 

Not many if any. Thats where where the problem lies; the tactics employed do not work in favour of the bloke who is best at the job of putting the ball in the net. Instead Ndiddi, Maguire et al are the ones doing the shooting.

 

It shouldn’t escape you attention that they had a similar problem at Southampton. ‘Chances’ created but not for the personnel that can put them away.

 

How has this worked out for us in the last 12 games in terms of points / results / or even improvement in performance.

 

All of the above categories you can put a tick ✅ in the box that says ‘shit’.

 

That should tell you there is a problem tactically. 

 

Graphically as the line moves to the right it’s plunging downwards on all counts which, just be to clear is not good.

 

Edited 4 March 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

 

Diabetes does look decent.

 

Regarding the rest of your highlighted items.

 

My mistake then you are correct:

 

1. We are playing great football, we are winning games, playing well, the manager is known for attacking football, tactically he’s doing nothing wrong,and it’s clear to see that we are on an upward curve. Not forgetting Burnley are above us as we speak with a but that’s because individually they have better players and have spent more money on their squad than we have.

 

2. I don’t suggest I do dictate club policy ?

 

3. You’ve made the point you are not young. Neither am I.

Therefore I’m surprised at such a ludicrous statement that on a discussion forum I should not be able to critique the manager and team performance, and should go and support someone else !! ?

Edited 4 March 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[vanity]

9 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

The manager needs to wake up.

 

Drop Vardy? 

 

Is is he actually the problem?

 

No striker can score goals with these tactics; see Southampton last season 

I detailed earlier in this thread a long list of our problems, and Vardy does not feature high on it. But I do think a different type of striker, a striker with a different skill set, may be better-suited for this ultra-defensive personnel grouping, as this set of personnel lack the ability to provide service to a striker who plays on the hip of the deepest CB. That is not Vardy's fault, but it doesn't change the fact that a striker more comfortable with hold up play, with coming back to the ball to thread clever passes to the wings or for Silva or Iborra to play off of might be a better choice against certain teams. 

 

I mean, I can't imagine it is controversial to say this style of play doesn't flatter Jamie Vardy. 

 

I understand you don't believe any striker can be effective in this system, but with respect, I can't yet agree. We haven't seen anyone else given a real opportunity. We are getting loads of opportunities, even some high-quality opportunities. Southampton was a bit too talent-deficient for me to take much from it, and Puel has enjoyed a great deal of success elsewhere. Though I have zero interest in defending him at the moment, and I generally agree he needs to wake up.

[Babylon]

Someone should tell Vardy that he can't score in Puels system, he's not had the memo and scored 8 in his last 13 games the fool.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

18 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Someone should tell Vardy that he can't score in Puels system, he's not had the memo and scored 8 in his last 13 games the fool.

That’s disingenuous. 

 

You know that performances in the last two months are going backwards and that Vardy in recent weeks has become isolated  with precious little created for him.

 

His chances to goal conversion rate is second to none. 

 

Vardy’s goal scoring exploits recently are testament to his abilities, and even more impressive as they are despite tactics employed by the manager.

Edited 4 March 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Someone should tell Vardy that he can't score in Puels system, he's not had the memo and scored 8 in his last 13 games the fool.

Been clear in the last few games, he needs a proper number 10 to support him. Shoehorning Mahrez and Gray in the role isn’t working because they lack the positional sense to play there. 

 

First thing Kelechi did coming on was hang back when a long ball or similar was played, picking up the second ball. 

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

That’s disingenuous. 

 

You know that performances in the last two months are going backwards and that Vardy in recent weeks has become isolated  with precious little created for him.

 

His chances to goal conversion rate is second to none. 

 

Vardy’s goal scoring exploits recently are testament to his abilities, and even more impressive as they are despite tactics employed by the manager.

So he can score under Puel then.

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Diabetes does look decent.

 

Regarding the rest of your highlighted items.

 

My mistake then.

 

1. We are playing great football, we are winning games, playing well, the manager is known for attacking football, tactically he’s doing nothing wrong,and it’s clear to see that we are on an upward curve.

 

2. I don’t suggest I do dictate club policy ?

 

3. You’ve made the point you are not young. Neither am I.

Therefore I’m surprised at such a ludicrous statement that on a discussion forum I should not be able to critique the manager and team performance, and should go and support someone else !! ?

Look I think we're just seeing things differently. Yes it's frustrating when we're not winning but that's what success does. It heightens expectations among Fans. Rightly or wrongly.

The recent Stats don't support your viewpoint. While you can always question Stats you cannot question the Shots on Goal, Corners won.etc.

One of the problem we have is having to play players out of position and round plugs in square holes. That's not Puels fault. And he shouldn't be blamed for it. Results on the pitch don't always reflect the Managers approach. It takes time to instill new routines and patterns of play into players. He's also trying to give all the squad game time to see if we need to keep them or move them on in the Summer. He's having to do all that while trying to win Matches also.

He has to be given time and at least a Summer Window.

I would have thought that someone as old as me who witnessed all the disappointment of the 60s and the Administration years would understand how difficult it is to get things right. That's all I'll say on the subject lets move on and enjoy the next game.

[Volpe Viola]

We're not having to play players out of position or putting square pegs in round holes but the management team is choosing to do so. The goals historically have come from Mahrez and Vardy where we moved the ball quickly. This stopped the opposing team from putting two men on Mahrez and Vardy able to use his pace. Now its all side to side nonsense, no goal threat from midfield we can't defend set pieces yet our own set pieces are a shambles. If you watch the games live it is unbelievably boring and painful. Having said that it's not only Puels fault because he didn't appoint himself

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, Shanghai said:

Team is 11 player 

I don't disagree - but a member of the team being upset/disrupted is likely to have a knock on effect on team mates. It's natural.

[Hammo]

The way Puel has got us playing does not work against massed, well organised defences.

 

Knocking the ball patiently from side to side is only productive if it opens up gaps but James and Ndidi can't or won't make penetrative passes forward presumably because they don't trust their ability to do so. And yesterday, although Mahrez and Silva tried to make things happen, their passing was woeful and invariably ended up turning the ball over to Bournemouth.

 

We need to make defences work by turning them and running at them. The other problem is that when we actually do this and earn corners (and Fuchs long throws) off the back of it, these are poorly delivered and produce next to nothing. When did we last score from one??

 

In each of the last two games we have gone hung-ho in the final minutes and had defences rattled. Why don't we try that tactic earlier instead of all this slow, ponderous stuff that is easy to defend and turns the stadium into a library?

 

The players have to perform. So does the manager. Otherwise, alas, this team is going nowhere fast.

[Daggers]

On 03/03/2018 at 17:05, Ted Maul said:

Still gonna say it. Puel out. If you're not ambitious enough to try and beat dross like Stoke and Bournemouth from the first whistle, sod off.

Some people bemoan the lack of an atmosphere and blame it on television, the weather and insipid football. They will tell you it’s indicative of a modern game in crisis, a game that has been removed from the fans. Whistfully, they will stare into the middle distance and mumble about fixture changes, the cost of meat pies and the price of a matchday ticket. Sky, they’ll say, has fed a ridiculous salary structure so that players lack a basic desire to play their hearts out for their sides. Football has problems. Leicester has problems.

 

We need true visionaries to improve the game and our club. Gifted geniuses with the insight to know that constantly changing managers not only makes sound financial sense, but also breeds continuity and success. Mystic Mauls, if you will. People not only prepared to think the unthinkable but free of all care of what others think of their amazing ideas.

 

Yes, sacking Puel is the only solution that makes sense in a modern football world built on nonsense.

 

I look forward to your future suggestions that we should play all remaining games while wearing blindfolds and hopping.

[reynard]

31 minutes ago, Volpe Viola said:

We're not having to play players out of position or putting square pegs in round holes but the management team is choosing to do so. The goals historically have come from Mahrez and Vardy where we moved the ball quickly. This stopped the opposing team from putting two men on Mahrez and Vardy able to use his pace. Now its all side to side nonsense, no goal threat from midfield we can't defend set pieces yet our own set pieces are a shambles. If you watch the games live it is unbelievably boring and painful. Having said that it's not only Puels fault because he didn't appoint himself

Absolutely nailed the problem on the head. Manchester City have a lot of possession but when they move the ball forward they do so quickly. So do Liverpool. They also both commit men to the attack and frequently have players in the opponent's box when they attack. We used to do this but now we don't. We're lethargic at best going forwards, commit very few players to attacks and don't get the ball to Vardy in the positions he needs it often enough. Mahrez needs the ball 20 metres in the opponents half to be most effective not 10 metres inside his own half.

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Gerbold said:

No, it's not disingenuous - it's sarcastic.

 

Disingenuous:

 

1. Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: "Increasingly, the question of immigration has become a disingenuous stalking-horse for race and racial hostility" (Tyler Stovall).

2. Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf. (The Free Dictionary)

Don't you come in here with your knowledge, it's an unfair advantage.

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

My knowledge didn't run to letting me know Bournemouth weren't at home !

Can't win 'em all. As our boys are proving lately..........

 

Now I think I understand something I couldn't fathom a few days ago........the penny drops!

Edited 4 March 2018 by HighPeakFox

[Wymsey]

Wasn't too keen on Maguire being so high up as he had at times yesterday to support the attack.

Had the opposition been Liverpool or Man City, he'd have regretted not being more back.

[Guest Cujek]

21 hours ago, Bayfox said:

Why would you give a manager who it feels is on borrowed time, a load more money only to remove him after 5 games and leave someone else to manage these players.

 

If he's not good enough then he has to go before or once this season ends.

 

I'd like to see us have a bit of direction again..

 

When he 1st came you could see changes. Trying to keep the ball a little more. The performances at Newcastle and Southampton seemed promising, but in recent weeks the team selections make no sense, iborra and Silva not starting every week who are the most comfortable players on the ball. Morgan walking back in for dragovic, which has caused to conceded possesion.

 

We still have the age old problem that only Shinji can seem to partner vardy.

 

And what did he do in jan? Next to nothing. Surely he can see morgan and Simpson can't really so the jobs he wants and the same probably goes for chillwell and fuchs.

 

I'll be hugely surprised if he's still here in August unless he has given the owners a brilliant shopping list that can be landed to overhaul this squad.

 

But I'm not sure that's likely to be the case based on jan business.

I just feel like may be he should be given a full pre season, although if we don't beat the baggies next week he could be in for a tough time.

[Johnthefoxrayner]

6 hours ago, Cujek said:

I just feel like may be he should be given a full pre season, although if we don't beat the baggies next week he could be in for a tough time.

Drop Morgan and play Dragovic, when Morgan was injured Dragovic came in and I believe we didn't concead a goal in 5 matches I could be wrong 

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, Johnthefoxrayner said:

Drop Morgan and play Dragovic, when Morgan was injured Dragovic came in and I believe we didn't concead a goal in 5 matches I could be wrong 

The first game of that run Morgan played about 30 minutes of the game and we looked comfortable. The two more were against Fleetwood, quite frankly I have no idea how they didn't put the ball in the net over those two games. So in reality it's like 2 and 2/3 premier league games.

 

Whilst I'm a fan of Dragovic and said so from his first game, and I agree with anyone it was a bit harsh to drop the bloke. I do feel like people are overstating his impact a tad.

[Ted Maul]

15 hours ago, Daggers said:

Some people bemoan the lack of an atmosphere and blame it on television, the weather and insipid football. They will tell you it’s indicative of a modern game in crisis, a game that has been removed from the fans. Whistfully, they will stare into the middle distance and mumble about fixture changes, the cost of meat pies and the price of a matchday ticket. Sky, they’ll say, has fed a ridiculous salary structure so that players lack a basic desire to play their hearts out for their sides. Football has problems. Leicester has problems.

 

We need true visionaries to improve the game and our club. Gifted geniuses with the insight to know that constantly changing managers not only makes sound financial sense, but also breeds continuity and success. Mystic Mauls, if you will. People not only prepared to think the unthinkable but free of all care of what others think of their amazing ideas.

 

Yes, sacking Puel is the only solution that makes sense in a modern football world built on nonsense.

 

I look forward to your future suggestions that we should play all remaining games while wearing blindfolds and hopping.

 

I've calmed down, and Puel out was premature. 

 

The other point remains though- we badly need to start playing with some intent. It's easy to attack and put sides under pressure when we're 1-0 down- we got enough of that from Shakespeare. I want a proactive manager (as Puel seemed to be when he took over), not a reactive one.

 

I can take us not winning- it's dropping points at home to the likes of Stoke and Bournemouth because we didn't bother attacking them from the start that I have a problem with. We've got the attacking talent to put sides like that away comfortably but he seems reluctant use it to its full effect, which is what is frustrating me (and plenty of others by the sound of it) at the moment. A place in Europe is there for the taking, and if we blow it due to conservative tactics I'll be livid.

[Countryfox]

CP needs to get us back into a winning mentality ...   possible things that could have impacted on this ..  and affected the qualittteeee of the performance ..

 

1. The Mahrez situation ...   I think thats sorted now ..

2. Shinji ...    he does make a difference, and he's fit now.

3. Morgan/Drag ...   not sure if this does make a difference but we can't just ignore it ...  (maybe some players thought Drag should not have been dropped and that had an effect ??).

4. Silva/Iborra/James ...   pick the best players on the day and change if they don't perform.

5. Lets have a 'go for it' style and not worry too much about the opposition ...

6. Don't leave Vardy on his own up front all the time.

 

Probably a few more things but I'm getting bored now ...

 

As it said in the Mercury today quoting Mr Wenger ...  when it comes to confidence you go up on the stairs and come down on the lift ...   thats all down to you Claude ..  perhaps take them all out for a pizza ? ...     

[Beechey]

Look at Mahrez telling Schmeichel which way to dive