Burnley post match 2-1 loss

[maddog]

There needs to be a massive player clear out. Sell 5 at least and buy at least three first 11 players. 

 

The question is do you trust Claude Puel and the lcfc recruitment team with £100m this summer? 

 

I'd expect us to sell Musa and Slimani and Ulloa for 30 million total ish, and I want us to spend that and another 70 million. 

 

If Mahrez leaves for 60 million minimum than that's a lot of dough to spend. 

Edited 14 April 2018 by maddog

[grobyfox1990]

Would've won that 5-2 on a normal day 

[kingfox]

50 minutes ago, vanity said:

We adapt or die in this world. Players that were well-suited for Shakespeare may be poorly suited for Puel. Our defense has looked nothing near the same since Morgan returned, and Simpson has struggled mightily under Puel. That doesn't mean they are bad players per se, just that they are the wrong fit/a bit too one dimensional to play for a Leicester side with big ambitions at this point in their career 

 

I promise you, I have an enormous amount of affection for these players, including Morgan and Simpson. But they are poor fits for this system, they are in their 30s, and the backline needs to be younger with strong legs bc of how often they get fwd in Puel's system. Even if we set that aside and pretend they have young legs, we need better finishers on the backline if that is how we are going to create advantages in the attack. Players like Simpson and Morgan are solid defenders, but we need versatile football players who primarily defend but who can add value in the attack. That isn't Morgan and Simpson, I think we both know that.

 

Yes, we do need to sell players, probably most of the team that won the Prem League medals. And I hate to say that, but I have watched this team grow comfortable and stale. I have watched them get two managers fired and put a third in peril due to playing soft, inconsistent football. Of our starters, I think only Ndidi, Maguire, and Vardy play hard at a consistent high level week in, week out. We need more players like that. 

 

We have seen some very good things from Puel's version of our team. We have seen rafts of opportunities squandered, but the system itself is modern and sound. IMO Puel has has serious issues with his personnel choices, and he is clearly a poor manager when it comes to communicating with his players. Hopefully he adapts, as we know how the story goes if he doesn't.

It's alright trying to adapt but how long is that going to take? As I've said already the majority of our squad doesn't suit his methods, yet not so long back a lot of these players were getting well deserved praise here and there. I'd rather see a handful of players stay over a manager who has turned them into turgid rubbish. I think we all know that Simpson and Morgan won't cut it for much longer but the problems go way beyond those two players.

 

The style of play is the problem, possession based football has never suited us and probably never will suit us. Even before Puel came in, we've seen games where we've had majority of possession but can't break teams down, it's even worse now when we are seeing it week in week out, it's slow, it's sideways, it's unimaginative.

 

This team has a lot of quality and is far from stale in my opinion, you have fans turning on the likes of Okazaki, yet not so long back he was playing well and was a crucial part of the side. Albrighton in the cup game against Chelsea the other month was absolutely outstanding, now all of a sudden he doesn't suit us because he's too one dimensional. You mention Ndidi but do you honestly think we will get the best out of him in a possession based style? His weak part of his game is his passing, if he doesn't keep the ball well enough then you might as well take him out the side. Jamie Vardy has looked more isolated than normal lately...who's fault is that because it's certainly not his.

 

The system is boring just like himself, a boring guy who plays boring football yet some fans keep trying to find ways to defend it, how can anybody defend what we've seen recently, especially when it comes to home games, I haven't been this bored since the Megson/Holloway era. 

 

We aren't entertaining to watch anymore and only one person can be blamed for that unfortunately.

Edited 14 April 2018 by kingfox

[Wymsey]

6 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

Sorry, that was undeserved.

 

We had a stack of chances and didn’t take them, after giving Burnley a 2 goal start.

 

Puel is rebuilding.

 

Puel in.

 

6 hours ago, Jonaldinho said:

A decent performance after we'd gifted them a 2-0 lead. We created more than enough to at least get a point today but poor finishing cost us.

 

There's an anti-Puel bandwagon gathering steam here and I don't like where it's heading. Of course Morgan and Simpson need to be replaced by ball-playing defenders, it's not rocket science. We're trying to develop a style and it doesn't happen over the course of one transfer window. Puel needs to be given the summer, and in the meantime he needs to take the shackles off and try and string together a few consistent performances. I felt today was a small step in the right direction despite the defeat, and we have a great chance against Southampton next week to build on it.

 

Puel in.

 

3 hours ago, LCCFox96 said:

 

Not a threat? We had more shots, more shots on target, more possession and more corners than Burnley today (and yes, I know that scoreline is the stat that matters). We very much offered a threat, evidenced by Dyche withdrawing a striker for a midfielder in the closing stages, and we worked some good opportunities. But for some superb stops from Nick Pope and a few fluffed chances we could have won that game today even with two defensive errors in the early stages. I fail to see how that can be pinned on Puel's tactics

 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

6 hours ago, dorsetboy said:

decisions to make by the owners stick with puel and let him bring in players he wants to play to his system or ship him out and bring in someone with new ideas and style 

 

i still cant understand that we are playing it wide and pumping in the crosses yet we let one of the best target men and headers of the ball go to newcastle (yes i know hes injured ) 

 

first game of next season should be interesting filling in all the gaps 

 

-------------------------------------kasper---------------------------------------

-----?---------------maguire-------------------?---------------------------?---------

------------------------------ndidi-----------silva------------------------------------

-------?---------------------------------------------------------------gray/diabate

------------------------------------------?--------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------vardy------------------------------------------

I'd stick with Chilwell. Potentially could have Mahrez in there as well. If that's the case, a new CB, RB and CAM/CF are needed, which should be fairly easy to acquire. Drago should also hopefully stay.

[BenTheFox]

May I just remind some that this season Rafa Benitez went 8 league games without a win and Sean Dyche went 11 league games without a win. Both managers who many on here would take over Puel. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have either managers here, but the point is that all managers have poor spells. Puel might not be the right man, but what I'm concerned about is if we got a new manager in and they went a few games without winning, would they be under pressure? Knowing our fans, they definitely would be. 

Edited 14 April 2018 by BenTheFox

[TonyN11]

I do want Puel to stay but he needs to go on a public speaking (shouting) course over the summer

[Suzie the Fox]

3 hours ago, deep blue said:

Would it be so bad to give one of the U23s a go? (Dunno why you take Drago out of the equation, though)

No i dont think it would be a bad idea at all.

 

If you read my earlier posts i said that i think there is more of a reason Puel isn't playing Drag right now, It could be one of many reasons (i listed earlier) I was implying if one of the reasons mentioned was correct, and there were issues why he wasn't being picked, who you play in that position

 

 

 

[Suzie the Fox]

3 hours ago, vanity said:

Reasonable minds can differ, though I think if you take a second look, you will see he was unusually poor finishing today despite terrific service. He is entitled to a poor game, just a shame it was today.

 

In any event, I think he needs some competition bc this style of attack could do with a striker capable of more hold up play, someone who can come back to the ball when we struggle to reach him, looking for clever passes to the wings from the top of the box, just a forward more involved in possession. Vardy's terrific, but there are games when Vardy is on the deepest CB's hip all game, the CB is playing deep to squeeze his space, we have Mahrez double-covered, Albrighton at LW and fans are screaming bc Silva cannot get Vardy the ball.

 

Just visualize Silva breaking midfield, Vardy 30 yards in front, Mahrez smothered to the right, two defenders converging on Silva and Albrighton to the left. That is how we wind up going backwards, or how we wind up crossing the ball into a packed box 20+ times in a game, bc Albrighton is the only open option. Vardy is great at what he does, but without Shinji to occupy that 30 yards of empty space, it is simply too easy to deny him the ball. If Vardy could come back 10-15 yards closer to our MF and play our wings into dangerous areas at times, then break for the channels and play his game, we'd be far more consistent, and we wouldn't need Shinji the way we do.

 

Though at this point, I expect this to get sorted via the transfer window.

With regards to his poor finishing today, he was the guy who scored our only goal. Yes yes you are right, he could have got us a 2nd. But (and i really dont want to have to mention this) look at the stats of Vardy v Kane Goals on target and goals achieved. No one is perfect and people will have bad games, regardless. Just that Spurs have other options to get goals .. IMO thats what we miss more. 

 

Back to your point he wasnt 10/10 today, and that was a massive shame, but then who out of the team was? I for one would like to see other replacements for competition more than i would Vardy. 

 

Maybe i am bitter because we lost and its always a bad time to post but for me at least, Vardy is the least of our current issues. 

 

 

[Dan]

Morgan, Simpson and Okazaki cannot be in our first choice XI next season.

 

Schmeichel I think as well is probably more comfortable than he should be.

[TheLittleBigMan]

Ok, looks like we've missed out on 7th. Our owners are trigger happy so some folk will probably get their wishes. Puel out, wes out, simpson out and i'll get my willy out if that helps - but for the love of god can we just try and enjoy the rest of the season. 

 

Up the foxes.

[Bazly]

First game I didn't get to watch this season but I'm not surprised by the score and from the comments its the usual suspects needing binned.  

 

Busy summer ahead.  Though that probably means 3 new strikers and no defenders. I dread that Simpson will still be the first choice RB next season.  It's almost enough to keep you awake at night. 

[BeardyFox]

40 minutes ago, Bazly said:

First game I didn't get to watch this season but I'm not surprised by the score and from the comments its the usual suspects needing binned.  

 

Busy summer ahead.  Though that probably means 3 new strikers and no defenders. I dread that Simpson will still be the first choice RB next season.  It's almost enough to keep you awake at night. 

Watch any of our 1st half performances lately, that’ll send you straight to sleep! 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

13 hours ago, Karljohn said:

Shambolic first 15 mins.

 

What was Puels team talk that was so uninspiring!

 

Burnley fans going 'abroad' for the first time ever.  

Not if Southampton win the FA cup, unlikely I know, but 7th doesn't guarantee a Europa spot yet. 

[lancyclaret]

13 minutes ago, browniefox said:

Not if Southampton win the FA cup, unlikely I know, but 7th doesn't guarantee a Europa spot yet. 

Yes, we might have to finish 6th to guarantee a EL place. Can you do us a favour by beating Arsenal on May 9? It would be much appreciated.

 

As for yesterday, it is the sign of a good team to win after playing badly. Watford were the better team last week as well.

 

We're still the only team not to have a single penalty this season but we ended one jinx at long last - one of our central defenders managed to score!

Edited 15 April 2018 by lancyclaret

[WigstonWanderer]

Why do we throw away the first half???

[norwichfox]

36 minutes ago, lancyclaret said:

Yes, we might have to finish 6th to guarantee a EL place. Can you do us a favour by beating Arsenal on May 9? It would be much appreciated.

 

As for yesterday, it is the sign of a good team to win after playing badly. Watford were the better team last week as well.

 

We're still the only team not to have a single penalty this season but we ended one jinx at long last - one of our central defenders managed to score!

I think you have to play in the oppositions penalty area more often to get penalties.

[The Quick Brown Fox]

47 minutes ago, lancyclaret said:

Yes, we might have to finish 6th to guarantee a EL place. Can you do us a favour by beating Arsenal on May 9? It would be much appreciated.

 

As for yesterday, it is the sign of a good team to win after playing badly. Watford were the better team last week as well.

 

We're still the only team not to have a single penalty this season but we ended one jinx at long last - one of our central defenders managed to score!

I would love to see us beat Arsenal and see Burnley take 6th. To have the smaller teams finishing above the big boys is something everyone has been saying the EPL is missing. I hope Burnley take 6th (I'd prefer them to collapse and us to take 7th but I can see that happening). 

[Callabinho]

9 hours ago, Webbo said:

Unless you're a player manager then you don't actually play on the pitch. All goal conceded, all chances missed  are the fault of the players on the pitch. It can never be the managers fault if that's how you think.

 

If a manager picks players to do a job they're not capable of, if he picks tactics that don't suit, if he fails to show any leadership or motivate the players then it's his fault.

Alright, so let’s take Morgan for example... everyone’s moaning about it but ultimately he keeps getting picked, well what if Morgan and Maguire are the two outstanding defenders in training? Why would Puel pick any different? 

 

You cant blame the manager for individual errors, likewise you can’t polish a turd.... when the players cross that white line it becomes their responsibility to perform, the coaching staff will supply in game analysis and guidance, but they shouldn’t be shouting “who’s marking him” that is down to the players, we have no leaders, no spine and no drive in that side anywhere.... most of them are so comfortable that effort seems to have disappeared all together.

 

Puel only has a number of options and frankly they’re pretty average, he needs an opportunity to put it right, because we will keep sacking managers and then shit like Kasper, Simpson and Morgan will forever be getting picked. It’s about time we got rid of the rotten apples and took a different direction. Surely continually sacking managers isn’t going to solve anything?

[hejammy]

The argument that they could be great in training shouldn't be valid if in games he's a liability. There have been plenty of great players who have allegedly been terrible trainers. Morgan should be dropped no question. There must be another reason cause Drago was actually good when  he played whilst Morgan was out. 

[Happy Fox]

 We know the likes of Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs, James and Albrighton will be phased out and replaced that’s guaranteed( here is hoping).

 

Puel has options, they aren’t average in my other opinion, why didn’t he play Silva and or Iborra with Ndidi for God knows how long?, why does he persist with Morgan since he has come back from injury (he is a backup CB now imo), could have eased Chilwell into the side instead of throwing him in the deep end (you could argue the only way Chilwell is going to get better is if he plays more so he can improve and will come good in time)

 

His team selection or style of play seems to be Isolating Vardy as well, Okazaki we know offers balance in that position in offering support for Vardy, I am not saying he is a long term option and probably needs to be phased out as well. But Puel does have options which he hasn’t used for whatever reason he justifiably thinks, which haven’t helped his cause.

 

Bringing in players is not a a management issue it’s more to do with our recruitment team. So in that respect Puel has no bearing other than saying we need X, Y, Z  position.

 

His bearing is more coaching, are we improving? We may points wise, but if I was the owners I would be thinking long and hard once the season is finished, because I don’t think they will be too pleased with how the season has petered out.

 

I like Puel I think he has something about him, and maybe next season we will see the real Puel and our team fighting for a Top 6 finish, but he needs to show more in the now and present.

[rabahdz]

Leicester produced a good game, they were fishing in concentration in the first minute of the match especially.
There has been an untold amount of action and offensive movement, it's a pretty unfair defeat in what Leicester was able to show yesterday.
There is a player that I like a lot, it's Chilwell, this guy can defend, attack, he has energy and endurance throughout the game, I wonder if he can play a little upper ?
I read that Mahrez was bad, the guy is almost at the origin of all actions in the first half, many lag in seconds, he had to lose what 9-10 balloon? I found him good, vardy a little isolated despite himself, Gray? I always tell myself that he has great potential, he has served Ryad well but too unequal to be in the 11th.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

Above all else the back four is where there is a big problem. 

 

Simpson and Wes continue to be played when they can’t offer anything in the possession game. 

 

What is possessing Puel is a fair question, when he has the option of Dragovic over Wes, and maybe to give Albrighton a go at RB again? 

 

After yesterday people on here were saying Chilwell is improving.

Well, that’s a very low bar to improve upon for starters.

 

Its clear to see in that yesterday HE was a fault for the first goal by playing them onside; he’s running backwards two or three yards behind the line of Maguire.

 

The bloke continues to be a liability; I have lost count of how many goals we’ve conceded due to him.

 

Puel’s stats now no better than when Shakey got sacked.

[Dr The Singh]

Puel, still not happy about yesterday.  Unhappy the season is over.

[ian_marshall]

Poor opening 10 minutes yesterday. Burnley caught us cold and it was a tactical masterclass from Dyche to get his team firing on all cylinders to try and kill the game early doors. Burnley simply wanted it more than us in those opening minutes and were first to every ball and were quick to pick up the second ball. 

 

After we settled we were easily the better team. The contrast between the two sides was night and day. I don't recall Burnley really having any chances of significance after their blistering start. Had we taken our chances in the first half we could and should have been going into the break leading 2-4.

 

We continued to boss the second half and for the life of me I genuinely don't know how we didn't come away with at least a point. Credit to Burnley they did what they had to do, and I left the ground yesterday with no complaints only disappointment at what could have been. 

 

Aside from the obvious underperformer's, what has surprised me having read the thread is how little mention there is of Maguire's contribution to their second goal yesterday. Burnley played a hopeful ball down their right to no one and all Maguire had to do was take the Huth approach and put the ball into row Z for a throw in. Instead he tried to be clever in attempting to shield the ball out for a goal kick and got absolutely bullied in the process which led to the corner that they scored from. It was an extremely naive piece of defending. Burnley were in the ascendancy and full of confidence. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that Burnley's game plan would be focused on trying to use their height and strength in and around the penalty area at set pieces, particularly as everyone in this league knows that we are abysmal at defending them. I really like Maguire a lot as a player. He's comfortable on the ball and doesn't panic in possession which I like, but in honesty he hasn't mastered the basic art of defending which is primarily his role. He's still young so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as he has time to learn and develop this side of his game, but it is definitely something he needs to work on. 

 

As for our tactics yesterday, once we established a rhythm there was only one team in that game which highlighted that Puel's approach is working and will benefit us long term once he has the right personnel at his disposal. 

 

Finally, I just wanted to highlight Choudhury's performance yesterday. What a mature display from a player with such little first team experience. He certainly did not look out of place, and was one of our best players. Hopefully that will give him the confidence to push on. 

Edited 15 April 2018 by ian_marshall