Burnley post match 2-1 loss

[RumbleFox]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

Yes we made mistakes.... but the tactics mean that we arent a threat.  

Not saying I think the tactics are great but we dominated today and let in two goals due to individual errors.  We may need better tactics but it seems odd to blame tactics rather than players on a day that was most certainly lost due to players.  Anyway, let's hope we do better next week. X

[LCCFox96]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

Yes we made mistakes.... but the tactics mean that we arent a threat.  

 

Not a threat? We had more shots, more shots on target, more possession and more corners than Burnley today (and yes, I know that scoreline is the stat that matters). We very much offered a threat, evidenced by Dyche withdrawing a striker for a midfielder in the closing stages, and we worked some good opportunities. But for some superb stops from Nick Pope and a few fluffed chances we could have won that game today even with two defensive errors in the early stages. I fail to see how that can be pinned on Puel's tactics

[reynard]

1 hour ago, Callabinho said:

Did anyone watch Man City last season? Pep had to work with what he had, but implemented his style so it was clear what he needed/and what any incoming player needed to do! It’s pretty much the same with Puel, he has a style and he won’t change it, he has largely changed the way we play, but like Man City of last year we don’t have the personnel to play in this style as of yet. Puel needs a chance to build his squad, he has to be given an opportunity, Shakey was and I think everyone knew he would ultimately get booted, so Puel deserves a time least a chance to show us what he can do! 

I think the Pep comparisons need to cease really. Puel isn't fit to lace his shoes, never has been and never will be. Also Man City spent around 50 million on each player they bought over the summer and in January. Doubt we'll have a net spend of 50 million total available. Do you trust Puel to build a squad capable of playing the type of football he craves or more importantly the recruitment people to be able to get the correct players for the money we will have. I don't. I'm starting to fear Puel is simply out of his depth. We're 8th now let's see where we finish. At the moment we don't look capable of getting very many more points.

[RumbleFox]

2 minutes ago, LCCFox96 said:

 

Not a threat? We had more shots, more shots on target, more possession and more corners than Burnley today (and yes, I know that scoreline is the stat that matters). We very much offered a threat, evidenced by Dyche withdrawing a striker for a midfielder in the closing stages, and we worked some good opportunities. But for some superb stops from Nick Pope and a few fluffed chances we could have won that game today even with two defensive errors in the early stages. I fail to see how that can be pinned on Puel's tactics

Nah but Pooel dunt speak english very well and he's forren so gerrim out.

[LCCFox96]

Just now, RumbleFox said:

Nah but Pooel dunt speak english very well and he's forren so gerrim out.

The bloody French ey? 

[foxinsocks]

3 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Not saying I think the tactics are great but we dominated today and let in two goals due to individual errors.  We may need better tactics but it seems odd to blame tactics rather than players on a day that was most certainly lost due to players.  Anyway, let's hope we do better next week. X

We dominated and scored once...like the games v bournmouth stoke swansea newcastle etc etc. We got 2 at brighton ccoz they got tired and made 2 mistakes. The top clubs dont make 2 mistakes.  I dont want to dominate and drop points.

[l444ry]

2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Not saying I think the tactics are great but we dominated today and let in two goals due to individual errors.  We may need better tactics but it seems odd to blame tactics rather than players on a day that was most certainly lost due to players.  Anyway, let's hope we do better next week. X

Are you saying that defensive (individual) mistakes are not down to Puel yet the ability to dominate is due to Puel but not individuals? Agree, we need a big lift on Thursday but I reckon the atmosphere will be as flat a a pancake.  

[RumbleFox]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

We dominated and scored once...like the games v bournmouth stoke swansea newcastle etc etc. We got 2 at brighton ccoz they got tired and made 2 mistakes. The top clubs dont make 2 mistakes.  I dont want to dominate and drop points.

And I do not disagree but I feel Puel deserves a little time and a proper window before becoming another victim of the of the "I want it now" generation.  If he fails he can do it on his own terms.  I trust him but even if he doesn't come good he at least needs time to do it with his own players and a little time. X

[RumbleFox]

Just now, l444ry said:

Are you saying that defensive (individual) mistakes are not down to Puel yet the ability to dominate is due to Puel but not individuals? Agree, we need a big lift on Thursday but I reckon the atmosphere will be as flat a a pancake.  

Yes.

[foxinsocks]

5 minutes ago, LCCFox96 said:

 

Not a threat? We had more shots, more shots on target, more possession and more corners than Burnley today (and yes, I know that scoreline is the stat that matters). We very much offered a threat, evidenced by Dyche withdrawing a striker for a midfielder in the closing stages, and we worked some good opportunities. But for some superb stops from Nick Pope and a few fluffed chances we could have won that game today even with two defensive errors in the early stages. I fail to see how that can be pinned on Puel's tactics

This has happened too manybtines now

... i cabt even enjoy the godd we do.

But it's a results game.... puel can reflect on this during his gardening leave

[fuchsntf]

39 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Burrrrnly... BURRRNLY, Eurrrropa league? Flat caps and pigeon racers.

 

Oh well, they have the results, they've got the points we haven't. Must mean they're better than us.

 

The fvck they are.

Over 38 games..yes

[Webbo]

5 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Nah but Pooel dunt speak english very well and he's forren so gerrim out.

 You're entitled to think Puel's doing a good job but to imply that the only reason people want him out is some moronic racism and not the terrible performances we've had to endure is unfair.

[RumbleFox]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

 You're entitled to think Puel's doing a good job but to imply that the only reason people want him out is some moronic racism and not the terrible performances we've had to endure is unfair.

I was just havin a laugh n that you know?  Oh, and it would be xenophobia not racism.  X

Edited 14 April 2018 by RumbleFox

[oldbluefox]

Morgan looking like a rabbit stuck in the headlights was a liability today, Simpson just not good enough and, yet again, Schmeichel stuck on his goal line when he should be dominating that six yard box. That defence was a shambles today.

Dragovic must be wondering what he has to do to to get in that team.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, RumbleFox said:

And I do not disagree but I feel Puel deserves a little time and a proper window before becoming another victim of the of the "I want it now" generation.  If he fails he can do it on his own terms.  I trust him but even if he doesn't come good he at least needs time to do it with his own players and a little time. X

I just dont like the direction hes taking us.  Imo has the wrong vision... lacks leadership and charisma to  bring in players.   I have watched during this probationaey period and he is not the one.  The sooner we accept that the better it will be

[somebum]

Sinking faster than a French battleship 

[Tuna]

1 minute ago, somebum said:

Sinking faster than a French battleship 

[BenTheFox]

After the first twenty minutes  today we played well. Bare in mind we were depleted  in central midfield and were away to a side who are having a great season. What really bothered me is how soft those two goals were and how we just gifted it to them. 

[Guest ttfn]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

We dominated and scored once...like the games v bournmouth stoke swansea newcastle etc etc. We got 2 at brighton ccoz they got tired and made 2 mistakes. The top clubs dont make 2 mistakes.  I dont want to dominate and drop points.

The manager can only help set the pattern of the game. They can’t physically kick the ball in the net.

 

I actually think Puel is doing a pretty decent job. The football is dull for the most part as is to be expected from a possession style in a side in which Simpson and Morgan start (and yes, Puel certainly deserves criticism for continuing to pick players that just do not fit).

 

I think if you look at the last 8 games, starting with the Swansea home game, we’re probably 4-6 points short of what we deserved from those games. Had we got what we deserved from those games we’d be on Burnley’s coat tails. To me, the fact that we’re not is more the rough side of chance more than an indictment on Puel.

 

That said if he starts next season with the same right side of defence then he’s issued his own P45.

 

As I said last week, any change in style is tumultuous, let alone one from Shakespeare’s kick-and-rush to a puritanical possession system. That he’s managed to change things so drastically and we’ve moved up the table is, to me at least, a good sign for next year.

[l444ry]

2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

After the first twenty minutes  today we played well. Bare in mind we were depleted  in central midfield and were away to a side who are having a great season. What really bothered me is how soft those two goals were and how we just gifted it to them. 

Agree 100% with this but it's defensive mistakes this time, didn't create enough chances last time, missed chances the time before that and didn't get going until half time most weeks.. Different excuses usually lead to one thing - bad management. Too much going wrong for me to have any confidence in Puel.

[Foxaholic ME]

3 hours ago, DrezZone said:

We should all hope that Southampton win the FA Cup so that Burnley doesn't get into Europe.

Why

[Md9]

He is trying to get his style of play with a squad he has inherited from previous managers. A few need shipping out and a few need to come in to see if his style will work he just needs to look at the players that are not performing or not capable and try someone else for a few games. A run of games would help nacho, diabate and drago out no end and look to next season now. Drago is a must to start until the end of the season if they want to sign him up permanently as if he doesn't get some soon he won't want to be back next season. 

[Guest]

Not entirely sure how you can blame individual errors on the manager. The clue is in the word "individual", no?

[Callabinho]

13 minutes ago, reynard said:

I think the Pep comparisons need to cease really. Puel isn't fit to lace his shoes, never has been and never will be. Also Man City spent around 50 million on each player they bought over the summer and in January. Doubt we'll have a net spend of 50 million total available. Do you trust Puel to build a squad capable of playing the type of football he craves or more importantly the recruitment people to be able to get the correct players for the money we will have. I don't. I'm starting to fear Puel is simply out of his depth. We're 8th now let's see where we finish. At the moment we don't look capable of getting very many more points.

It’s merely a comparison in the context of each managers positions at the time.... you can’t judge someone who has barely had a chance of putting his own side together. Plus being in the 14th wealthiest club in Europe I’d like to think we would have the funding available if needed. 

 

Considering the work Puel has done in the past, yes. We bizarrely trusted Shakespeare. He needs at least an opportunity to show what he can do.

 

[Callabinho]

3 minutes ago, Guest said:

Not entirely sure how you can blame individual errors on the manager. The clue is in the word "individual", no?

Exactly, managers set a side up but they can’t be held responsible for individual errors on the field.