Burnley post match 2-1 loss

[WestLothianFox]

3 hours ago, bmouth_fox said:

It’s not the manager - it’s some of the players. When the worst player by some distance wears the armband then there is a problem. We lost the game in the first 10 mins, and he was culpable for both (and Simpson for second). Wayward passing, all round clumsy. How he gets in the team is a joke - particularly as Dragovic suits the style of play more.

 

We were decent second half, and could possible even should have won it. But we cannot keep chasing games. Its not like Wes is all to blame, but it smacks of the manager not having the balls to drop a senior player. After his gaffe v Newcastle (and others) I’m convinced that this is a large reason that is costing us European football next season.

 

****ing fuming!

It is the managers fault. Who picks the team, he does. All the fans can see that since Morgan came back from his injury, he has not been as good, so why cant the manager see this? We have an international sitting on the bench who did no wrong when he was playing, but then got dropped because Morgan was fit again. 

It is the manager that picks the team, so if players are not performing, it is on his head if he does not drop them, captain or not.

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, Callabinho said:

Exactly, managers set a side up but they can’t be held responsible for individual errors on the field. 

When can they be held responsible?

[l444ry]

12 minutes ago, Guest said:

Not entirely sure how you can blame individual errors on the manager. The clue is in the word "individual", no?

Most goals are conceded by some individual mistake somewhere along the line. Shame we make our mistakes when the opposition has made their own luck by having put the ball in an area where individual errors are likely to occur. 

Edited 14 April 2018 by l444ry

[Dr The Singh]

I can see why Southampton outed him.

[vanity]

3 hours ago, indierich06 said:

Shit game. Did **** all. Vardy’s goal papering over the cracks and not even doing a good job of that. Puel needs to **** off. Bereft of ideas and has turned us into a team which is unrecognisable from a few seasons ago. None of the traits that made us a real team anymore. 

I just do not understand this take. How many exceptional goal scoring opportunities did we f up, five? Six? 

 

Puel's tactics did not cost us the early goals. Puel's tactics did not make Vardy miss 4-5 or so excellent chances. Puel's tactics didn't make Mahrez ignore a wide open Demari to his left 1H for what should've been an easy goal. I could go on for awhile re the PLAYERS failing to properly execute.

 

Yes, this isn't tactics, our players need to execute. That is why we look like crap. Our players are not showing up early. People can blame Puel all they want, but A F'N PREM LEAGUE SIDE SHOULD NOT NEED THEIR GODDAMN MANAGER TO HOLD THEIR GODDAMN HAND IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO PLAY HARD WHEN THE GODDAMN GAME STARTS.

 

[Happy Fox]

We started the game with zero intensity and got punished, Happens too Often.

[moore_94]

After being at the match today I have a few things to say...

 

Stop with the stupid god damn kick off tactic of booting it down the wing, it has never worked, never will, it usually always goes out for a throw in, so just stop it!

 

It amazes me how terrible our players seem at simple cross field balls, the amount of times I saw Morgan/Silva/Schmeichel booting the ball across the pitch to Chilwell and it flying nowhere near him or way above him was just stupid.

 

Forget Gray, just get rid, he wants to be billy big bollocks, actually push down the wing and get the ball in, on every attack down the left side Chilwell was always the one going forward down the wing and putting the ball in the box.

 

Do not let Schmeichel use his feet to kick a ball, because they pretty much always go nowhere near our players, and he could have very easily been lobbed again today, because of his terrible distribution.

 

Drop Morgan. At fault for the first goal, and absolutely cleaned out and could have potentially injured Maguire even though he had no reason to go for the ball. Also, has anyone else noticed how uncomfortable he looks when he has time on the ball? I know he was part of the team that won us the league and is the Captain, but there always comes a time when you need to drop your captain for the good of the squad. Look at Arsenal who dropped Mertesacker who wasn't good enough, or Chelsea who do not often Start Cahill, or Man Utd with Carrick.

 

I am willing to give Puel time, it is very clear to see the kind of style he wants us to play, and at times today we did look good, but just do not have the players to do it. Give him the summer, give him the chance to put his mark on the team properly, and if it is still crap by Christmas, get rid and bring in Big Nige.

[Chelve84]

I think it’s time to rebuild, let’s get rid of the clicky circle of players that seem to have to much of a say and power. We need to find a style of play that we want play and buy players that have the ability to carry out the tactics and instructions. This is the best possible to time to do this whilst we have some money to make this period of transition less painful. I don’t know what brand of football Puel wants to play but if he is happy with the last few games then he isn’t the man for us, but who knows 4-5 players could make a hell of a difference to the fluid of our play, but judging by past results I don’t think he knows how he wants to play.

[Callabinho]

25 minutes ago, Webbo said:

When can they be held responsible?

Explain to me how, and then I’ll tell you when.

[Sunbury Fox]

I genuinely think that some people are happiest when we lose. Comments like we were not a threat today, we were boring today suggest people didn't even watch the game. Some had decided Puel was boring as soon as he was appointed and are desperate to retro fit events to support their theory at all times.

 

We were awful last week, fair enough, and we weren't great at Brighton (but still won at a ground where only big 6 teams have won apart from us), but for 80 minutes today we were very good.

 

In this run of poor results we've been hugely unfortunate not to pick up more points in my view, including today.  We are streets better than we were against the likes of Huddersfield and Bournemouth away earlier in the season.

 

I can remember that even under O'Neill we had poor runs of results, like the current one, from time to time - these days he'd have been sacked well before he left for Celtic as nowadays people have no patience. A couple of months where things don't go great and all of the pitch fork holders are out in force calling for the manager's head. How is any manager meant to build a team in such circumstances? Which top managers would want to come to a club that sacks managers every 6 months?

Edited 14 April 2018 by Sunbury Fox

[Sly]

16 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

After being at the match today I have a few things to say...

 

Stop with the stupid god damn kick off tactic of booting it down the wing, it has never worked, never will, it usually always goes out for a throw in, so just stop it!

 

It amazes me how terrible our players seem at simple cross field balls, the amount of times I saw Morgan/Silva/Schmeichel booting the ball across the pitch to Chilwell and it flying nowhere near him or way above him was just stupid.

 

Forget Gray, just get rid, he wants to be billy big bollocks, actually push down the wing and get the ball in, on every attack down the left side Chilwell was always the one going forward down the wing and putting the ball in the box.

 

Do not let Schmeichel use his feet to kick a ball, because they pretty much always go nowhere near our players, and he could have very easily been lobbed again today, because of his terrible distribution.

 

Drop Morgan. At fault for the first goal, and absolutely cleaned out and could have potentially injured Maguire even though he had no reason to go for the ball. Also, has anyone else noticed how uncomfortable he looks when he has time on the ball? I know he was part of the team that won us the league and is the Captain, but there always comes a time when you need to drop your captain for the good of the squad. Look at Arsenal who dropped Mertesacker who wasn't good enough, or Chelsea who do not often Start Cahill, or Man Utd with Carrick.

 

I am willing to give Puel time, it is very clear to see the kind of style he wants us to play, and at times today we did look good, but just do not have the players to do it. Give him the summer, give him the chance to put his mark on the team properly, and if it is still crap by Christmas, get rid and bring in Big Nige.

I was following most of this, as you were talking sense. 

 

.... then you said bring in Nigel Pearson.

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

I genuinely think that some people are happiest when we lose. Comments like we were not a threat today, we were boring today suggest people didn't even watch the game. Some had decided Puel was boring as soon as he was appointed and are desperate to retro fit events to support their theory at all times.

 

We were awful last week, fair enough, and we weren't great at Brighton (but still won at a ground where only big 6 teams have won apart from us), but for 80 minutes today we were very good.

 

In this run of poor results we've been hugely unfortunate not to pick up more points in my view, including today.  We are streets better than we were against the likes of Huddersfield and Bournemouth away earlier in the season. I can remember that even under O'Neill we had poor runs of results, like the current one, from time to time - these days he'd have been sacked well before he left for Celtic as nowadays people have no patience. A couple of months where things don't go great and all of the pitch fork holders are out in force calling for the manager's head. How is any manager meant to build a team in such circumstances? Which top managers would want to come to a club that sacks managers every 6 months?

People keep going to Chelsea and Real Madrid! 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

The timid, cautious, dull way we approach every game must be changed surely, we’re so negative in the first half of games, make mistakes and more often than not go a goal down and come out of our shells in the second half when we have to chase the game, if the same negative things keep happening isn’t it best to change things? 

How about being positive from the kick off and have a go, try and win.

Im becoming increasingly concerned with the same mistakes being made each week and worry for us next season.

[deep blue]

2 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

You are right .. i dont understand why Wes is constantly being picked but if we take Drago out of this who else could he pick? Benny? Huth (who hasnt played all season)  

Would it be so bad to give one of the U23s a go? (Dunno why you take Drago out of the equation, though)

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, Md9 said:

He is trying to get his style of play with a squad he has inherited from previous managers. A few need shipping out and a few need to come in to see if his style will work he just needs to look at the players that are not performing or not capable and try someone else for a few games. A run of games would help nacho, diabate and drago out no end and look to next season now. Drago is a must to start until the end of the season if they want to sign him up permanently as if he doesn't get some soon he won't want to be back next season. 

Then again, why fix it when it ain't broke?

 

I agree with one of the post-match callers on BBC Radio Leicester, he had a point. Having a new manager trying to implement a new - his - system is all fine and dandy, but why doing it during an ongoing season? We played pretty well under Puel at the start of the season up until the Southampton away game (five wins, two draws, one loss), with a style similar to that we had under Ranieri that won us the title. We were more threatening, more direct, cheekier, more savvy all in all. Since then, our record reads W4 D5 L7 and we've turned into a one-half wonder team. We usually give away the first half, with Crystal Palace at home marking the start of that poor run (I exclude the Liverpool and Manchester City results, because they were against teams that are pretty much playing outside of the norm):

Crystal Palace (0-3, h): 2 goals against in the first half

Watford (1-2, a): Take the lead, then concede right before half-time, throw the second half away for most part (desperate attempts at an equalizer late into the game)

Huddersfield (3-0, h): A first half to forget

Everton (1-2, a): A first half to forget

Swansea (1-1, h): Let the game slide in the second half, made to pay by the visitors

Stoke City (1-1, h): A first half to forget and only gained a point thanks to Butland's error

Bournemouth (1-1, h): A first half to forget and only saved a point thanks to a late, late free-kick goal by Mahrez (who had pretty much done bugger all up until then)

Brighton (2-0, a): Only won late into the game and after Brighton scuffed a penalty, completely forgettable first half - very lucky win

Newcastle (1-2, h): A first half to forget

Burnley (1-2, a): A first half to forget

 

See a common theme there? Even against a crap West Bromwich side, we gave them the initial incentive when Rondon scored the opener. The goalless draw against Chelsea was a freak game, thanks to a very odd referee who was highly trigger-happy.

 

We are a highly reactionary team right now under Puel, that since mid-December. Usually only get going when we're behind. That's when all the great stats happen that a lot of Puel fans bring up. That and the fantastic amount of chances we create, the shots on goal. And I agree, they make for great reading. 55 or more percent possession are superb, eh? But what do we do with the ball when we have it? Shove it around back and forth, with little to no end product. Until we are forced to do so. Which is usually too late into a game.

 

Nothing against possession-based football, but you need the right players to do that and the right manager to make it happen. Few of our players have the skill and the patience to do so. All of that which is usually what a pre-season is good for.

Watching Leicester City FC right now is like watching a chemist in a laboratory, using different compounds just for the sake of it.

Edited 14 April 2018 by MC Prussian

[ZeGuy]

1 hour ago, justfoxes said:

It’s not over til the fat lady sings Arsehole Wengers  and Ducheys side shit the bed on their last few games and we steal 7th ??

It's over. We'll never close down the 9 points gap.

Edited 14 April 2018 by ZeGuy

[Lionator]

My Burnley supporting mate says that we were one of the best sides to go to Turf Moor this season and if it wasn't for Pope then we'd have got at least a point.

 

It is frustrating but I'm absolutely willing to allow Claude to bring some of his own players in and see what he can do with them.

[Webbo]

1 hour ago, Callabinho said:

Explain to me how, and then I’ll tell you when.

Unless you're a player manager then you don't actually play on the pitch. All goal conceded, all chances missed  are the fault of the players on the pitch. It can never be the managers fault if that's how you think.

 

If a manager picks players to do a job they're not capable of, if he picks tactics that don't suit, if he fails to show any leadership or motivate the players then it's his fault.

[Dr The Singh]

6 minutes ago, Lionator said:

My Burnley supporting mate says that we were one of the best sides to go to Turf Moor this season and if it wasn't for Pope then we'd have got at least a point.

 

It is frustrating but I'm absolutely willing to allow Claude to bring some of his own players in and see what he can do with them.

My Burnley friend said i have a massive penis, but I'm sure many on here wont believe me. 

 

However the slow starts and slow possession shit is his fault

[Lionator]

4 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

My Burnley friend said i have a massive penis, but I'm sure many on here wont believe me. 

 

However the slow starts and slow possession shit is his fault

Are you flirting with me?

[vanity]

5 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

+1 You for the parts i highlighted in bold 

 

However disagree totally with the other parts. Especially the part about Vardy. Yes he headed a ball to the goalkeeper but you cannot expect him to score every chance he has and them chance i was talking about are too and far between. 

Reasonable minds can differ, though I think if you take a second look, you will see he was unusually poor finishing today despite terrific service. He is entitled to a poor game, just a shame it was today.

 

In any event, I think he needs some competition bc this style of attack could do with a striker capable of more hold up play, someone who can come back to the ball when we struggle to reach him, looking for clever passes to the wings from the top of the box, just a forward more involved in possession. Vardy's terrific, but there are games when Vardy is on the deepest CB's hip all game, the CB is playing deep to squeeze his space, we have Mahrez double-covered, Albrighton at LW and fans are screaming bc Silva cannot get Vardy the ball.

 

Just visualize Silva breaking midfield, Vardy 30 yards in front, Mahrez smothered to the right, two defenders converging on Silva and Albrighton to the left. That is how we wind up going backwards, or how we wind up crossing the ball into a packed box 20+ times in a game, bc Albrighton is the only open option. Vardy is great at what he does, but without Shinji to occupy that 30 yards of empty space, it is simply too easy to deny him the ball. If Vardy could come back 10-15 yards closer to our MF and play our wings into dangerous areas at times, then break for the channels and play his game, we'd be far more consistent, and we wouldn't need Shinji the way we do.

 

Though at this point, I expect this to get sorted via the transfer window.

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

I was following most of this, as you were talking sense. 

 

.... then you said bring in Nigel Pearson.

Haha I said it in jest, Nigel Pearson was good for us but would now not be the man to bring in, just said it as it tends to be for some reason who quite a lot of people would want...

[vanity]

5 hours ago, kingfox said:

Kasper player of the year last season

Simpson our second best player last season

Morgan was playing well before he got injured

Okazaki was on fire at the start of the season

Vardy 90% of the time looks too much of an isolated figure

 

They are not bad players, something has all of a sudden changed and fans are starting to call them write offs.

 

You might as well sell the majority of the squad because they just don't suit Puel's methods, we have defenders who aren't comfortable on the ball, none of our midfielders can keep the ball well enough, whoever we play in the number 10 role has been non exsistent, while Vardy is getting goals but he has looked isolated quite a lot recently.

We adapt or die in this world. Players that were well-suited for Shakespeare may be poorly suited for Puel. Our defense has looked nothing near the same since Morgan returned, and Simpson has struggled mightily under Puel. That doesn't mean they are bad players per se, just that they are the wrong fit/a bit too one dimensional to play for a Leicester side with big ambitions at this point in their career 

 

I promise you, I have an enormous amount of affection for these players, including Morgan and Simpson. But they are poor fits for this system, they are in their 30s, and the backline needs to be younger with strong legs bc of how often they get fwd in Puel's system. Even if we set that aside and pretend they have young legs, we need better finishers on the backline if that is how we are going to create advantages in the attack. Players like Simpson and Morgan are solid defenders, but we need versatile football players who primarily defend but who can add value in the attack. That isn't Morgan and Simpson, I think we both know that.

 

Yes, we do need to sell players, probably most of the team that won the Prem League medals. And I hate to say that, but I have watched this team grow comfortable and stale. I have watched them get two managers fired and put a third in peril due to playing soft, inconsistent football. Of our starters, I think only Ndidi, Maguire, and Vardy play hard at a consistent high level week in, week out. We need more players like that. 

 

We have seen some very good things from Puel's version of our team. We have seen rafts of opportunities squandered, but the system itself is modern and sound. IMO Puel has has serious issues with his personnel choices, and he is clearly a poor manager when it comes to communicating with his players. Hopefully he adapts, as we know how the story goes if he doesn't.

[RumbleFox]

2 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

I just dont like the direction hes taking us.  Imo has the wrong vision... lacks leadership and charisma to  bring in players.   I have watched during this probationaey period and he is not the one.  The sooner we accept that the better it will be

Och fair enough, I respect your opinion obviously and understand where it comes from.  I tend to disagree but that's what forums are for I suppose.  I think he might have what it takes but we'll see.

[vanity]

1 hour ago, Chelve84 said:

I think it’s time to rebuild, let’s get rid of the clicky circle of players that seem to have to much of a say and power. We need to find a style of play that we want play and buy players that have the ability to carry out the tactics and instructions. This is the best possible to time to do this whilst we have some money to make this period of transition less painful. I don’t know what brand of football Puel wants to play but if he is happy with the last few games then he isn’t the man for us, but who knows 4-5 players could make a hell of a difference to the fluid of our play, but judging by past results I don’t think he knows how he wants to play.

Agree re getting rid of the old guard. despite our affection.for them, it is nearly time.

 

When we actually play hard and attack, we look like an elite side save for our finishing. We need a few more pieces, but it is obvious that this system can work for us, and that it can yield some entertaining, outstanding entertainment. Yes, it is miserable when the lads don't set their alarms for the 1H, but when we start chasing a deficit, it isn't hard to see what this team could be if only they'd give consistent effort. That 2H was not boring football from Leicester. It was plenty dynamic and opportunistic and enjoyable to watch. We dominated the game for long stretches on the road at Burnley, and that isn't an easy thing to do. We can make the top-6 with Puel managing and an improved roster. 

 

Assuming Puel gets his head out re his team selection, of course. ;-)