Burnley post match 2-1 loss

[420Hashish]

I was impressed by Choudhoury the whole game. Silva also had some good runs and some nice passes. 

 

But I genuinely think the highlight of the match was right after 2nd half's kick-off: some idiot hoofed the ball out of play not even 3 seconds into the 2nd half.

Edited 14 April 2018 by DrezZone

[Bunyip]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

 

Sorry, that was undeserved.

 

We had a stack of chances and didn’t take them, after giving Burnley a 2 goal start.

 

Puel is rebuilding.

 

Puel in.

He couldn't build a sand castle.

 

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, Bunyip said:

Help is at hand if you know where to look for it .

Stick to curling.

[Dan]

10th minute onwards we were the better side but you can't defend like that and give a side who don't concede many, who we need to beat, a 2 goal head start.

 

Just a total nothing season from start to finish. We're a nothing side.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

Dyche in 

[yorkie1999]

18 minutes ago, CarbonVirtine said:

Getting rid of Puel at this stage would be a backward step. He is trying to reshape us like no manager has tried previously. Give him his chance to get the players in the summer capable of playing his system THEN judge him. At the moment, we're between 2 places with a manager trying to adapt us to a style we don't have the players (particularly defensively) to play. He wants players that are comfortable on the ball, not prone to panicking and capable of hitting a simple pass to a team mate; perhaps surprisingly, that's not what we've got in a few positions.

So, if he’s not got the players that can play “his style”, whys he trying to play it. And if he doesn’t get the players to play that style, then what. What’s his plan b going to be, revert back to the the old style.

[lee7]

6 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

This Puel out nonsense is unreal. Watching today we had an unbelievable amount of possession in their half, loads of play in the final third. The players need to take a large share of the blame. The issue is clearly ability, I’m sorry but the squad is simply not good enough to play a more possession based style, and the alternative has been found out - we saw that under Shakey. Puel can’t help the squad he inherited, and god knows he tried to clear some of it out in January. We’ve seen player power at the club before and frankly I think it’s because a different way of playing frightens them. 

 

What i I saw today today was a lack of professionalism. I don’t mean that they players don’t care or aren’t trying, they really did try especially second half. More their professional ability to make good decisions, or play the right pass. It’s been the case all season, good passing and movement mixed with some really poor mistakes. Football is about the little moments not just the major moments.

 

I’m not picking on anyone in particular but Morgan, Simpson, Shinji etc are best their best. Chilwell looks a good player but at times he is so naive. At one point the ball looped out for corner and kasper just booted it, instead of catching the ball and making sure Burnley took their corner quickly. Nacho coming to the half way line with two men behind him, arms stretched out for the ball, to do what pass is back to Morgan. He should be showing for the ball much higher and creating space for others. 

 

A lot of these players have been at the club a long long time, and for me it’s all a bit stale. Poor passes and decision making are not Puels fault he’s just easier to blame. 

 

If after the summer things stay the same fair enough call for his head. But he needs a bit of time ffs. 

 I agree with large parts of your post especially in regards to players making naive decisions and lacking professionalism.

 

However we only had large periods of play inside their half because they were two goals up. For them the job was done all they had to do was contain us from then on and they didn't need to throw men forwards so we was always bound to have a large percentage of possession once their second went in. 

 

For me the biggest worry is that since we played Everton away we have had 5 or 6  performances in which we have simply not turned up and that's at a time where European football is/was at stake. 

 

If Puel feels the players can't play possession based football then simply do not play it. Play the way that suits them best until the summer when he can bring his own players in. Instead we persist with this style of football. Yes today we created chances but their have been a few matches where we've knocked it sideways and backwards and barely tested the oppositions keeper. 

[Bunyip]

1 hour ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Can't give teams a two goal head start away and expect to win.

 

Thought we played O.K. in patches and created enough chances to at least get a point. 

 

I'd still stick with Puel FWIW

Bet you the owners don't.

[gurru991]

48 minutes ago, lestajigs said:

Puel out, Morgan retire, Simpson benched,chilwell back in the u10s  choudhury get your stupid stupid ****ing hair cut 

Wow ...Dissing another mans fro !! You really have crossed a line there !!

[Guest MattP]

Gave the game away early. Then looked OK. 

 

Typical of the season to be honest.

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, Suzie the Fox said:

 

Well said Suzie - the best post in this entire thread.

[Bunyip]

2 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Stick to curling.

Yeah and you stick to dreaming.

[Suzie the Fox]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

So, if he’s not got the players that can play “his style”, whys he trying to play it. And if he doesn’t get the players to play that style, then what. What’s his plan b going to be, revert back to the the old style.

I think learning curve. No point waiting to get in 3/4 players with his style and then not seeing if the current bunch can do that. Better to try now and see and then look for the transfer window to replace.. I dunno but thats what i would do

[Suzie the Fox]

3 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

Bet you the owners don't.

How much do you want to put on that ?

 

[Bunyip]

Just now, Suzie the Fox said:

How much do you want to put on that ?

 

Much as you like Suzie. I know he was given today's result to prove he still had the backing of the players. He is history.

[Guest Col city fan]

There is clearly something wrong. We are starting slowly and conceding too many goals. For all the love for Maguire, we concede too many goals down the middle.

Why are we only starting to play in the second halves of games?

Season over, we need freshening up and properly.

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, bmouth_fox said:

It’s not the manager - it’s some of the players. When the worst player by some distance wears the armband then there is a problem. We lost the game in the first 10 mins, and he was culpable for both (and Simpson for second). Wayward passing, all round clumsy. How he gets in the team is a joke - particularly as Dragovic suits the style of play more.

 

We were decent second half, and could possible even should have won it. But we cannot keep chasing games. Its not like Wes is all to blame, but it smacks of the manager not having the balls to drop a senior player. After his gaffe v Newcastle (and others) I’m convinced that this is a large reason that is costing us European football next season.

 

****ing fuming!

It was the managers decision to keep Morgan on the pitch.....the manager decides the tactics and is responsible for motivating the players.

 

On all accounts Puel failed

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, Bunyip said:

Much as you like Suzie. I know he was given today's result to prove he still had the backing of the players. He is history.

Thank you

 

But on a serious note, do you really KNOW that? Im not questioning your perspective of todays performance but do you this as fact? 

 

I just did my 1st big one!!! (Post that is) and explained how i saw today and tbh i really dont think the manager was to blame. More individual **** ups than tactics.  I get that he put the team out, but apart from Wes (which i think there is more involved than what we know) i thought the team was ok

[breadandcheese]

Our intensity has slowed quite considerably. We don't seem to be starting a game putting teams under pressure. Very disappointing.

[Legend_in_blue]

Some of the players need the bin.

 

Puel needs to start with who the leader on the pitch is going to be next season and go from there.

 

If Morgan and Simpson are in the starting 11 next season we're carrying too many Championship level players and we will be constantly struggling all season.  We need a minimum of 3 defensive players along the back.  Fuchs is also finished.  The only starter I'd have is Maguire, the rest are backup at best.

 

 

[Farrington fox]

25 minutes ago, kingston_fox said:

Personally I think Puel is just giving the old deadwood enough rope to hang themselves. They aren't up to it, he knows it, they know it (hence the moodiness) and it will be easier to move them on now we are falling apart. He's just using these games to judge them and then he will sort it in the summer

This is just what I am hoping for! Lets hope it comes to fruition. 

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, breadandcheese said:

Our intensity has slowed quite considerably. We don't seem to be starting a game putting teams under pressure. Very disappointing.

Tactically  we have changed, we don't press high up etc hence the likes of Shinji are now clueless

[CarbonVirtine]

16 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

So, if he’s not got the players that can play “his style”, whys he trying to play it. And if he doesn’t get the players to play that style, then what. What’s his plan b going to be, revert back to the the old style.

I'd say he's giving the players a chance to show their worth, a chance to adapt. Puel's having a good look at the squad, assessing the relative merits. Those players that can't adapt will have to be replaced but for the moment, he has to make do. Those that can adapt are being played into the new system, to become used to and comfortable with it. FWIW, I don't think we're a million miles away from getting the balance right; maybe 4 players. It needn't be a costly exercise either, it's a matter of finding the right players. 

Edited 14 April 2018 by CarbonVirtine

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

It was the managers decision to keep Morgan on the pitch.....the manager decides the tactics and is responsible for motivating the players.

 

On all accounts Puel failed

A few have pointed out if you criticise the inclusion of Morgan by implication you are criticising Puel.

 

Perhaps Puel lacks charisma and motivation skills - but we’ll never know. I wouldn’t have thought Appleton does though.

[Suzie the Fox]

6 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

There is clearly something wrong. We are starting slowly and conceding too many goals. For all the love for Maguire, we concede too many goals down the middle.

Why are we only starting to play in the second halves of games?

Season over, we need freshening up and properly.

Cannot rep - run out!

I think middfield was totally lacking today, but that could be down to injuries? 

 

But totally this, why can we not play from the start how we do in the 2nd? Is it the manager, the players or what.. i just dont know. I do think its not just us though, was same for Chelsea V Southampton earlier. However unlike Chelsea we were not able to come back in the 2nd half and score 3 goals. 

 

Roll on 2018/19