Puel In or Out poll 5/5/18.

[WestLothianFox]

1 hour ago, filthyfox said:

SACK RUDKIN

From memory, wasn't Rudkin involved i helping to select Puel? Maybe he wants Puel kept on as it would show badly on him if Puel is sacked. 

 

Just thought I would throw in another theory why he has not gone yet.

 

The sooner he is gone the better. The though of him spending the transfer kitty does not bear thinking about.

[Pete from the USA]

Here's an argument for sacking Puel *after* the summer: A new-manager bounce is best during the playing season. We saw this with both Shakespeare and Puel whose appointments both boosted Leicester up the table. Appointing a manager at the end of the season would squander the bounce. 

 

Also, we don't want to get a reputation for rapidly hiring and firing managers. Keeping Puel into the beginning of next season would make the club look less trigger happy. 

 

Also, the transfer window will go more smoothly if there is continuity in management. This window is too important to also be dealing with manager upheaval. Keep Puel through the window, focus on getting in some new talent, then dump him in October. 

[Foxxed]

It's six months down the line. We have a bran new manager. He wants to play possession football. The core of our team rejects the new tactics. Vardy's still slowing down. Mahrez is gone. The team spirit opposes the manager more than the opposition. That's my biggest worry. And this could happen with or without Puel. The very dynamic that won us the league could have us relegated from it.

 

I was talking to a Newcastle fan in 15/16. He was telling me Newcastle's "player committees" or similar. They would vote on various things and tell the manager. Somehow these committees were given authority. No manager can enact his vision if his vision is blocked by players. It's no wonder they were relegated. And I worry the same will happen to us. If, and only if, the players have too much authority it will only result in relegation.

 

It's years in the past. But this time the players are bold enough to question Pearson. The players are huddled around King. There's a discussion on some new signings. King ends the group talk, "Look we need more players, but a skinny Algerian kid who's not even doing that well in his nowhere French team? It's a no from me, lads. I'll tell Nige, wait here." Then he turns around and says, "Also, these counter attacking tactics look set to fail. A few poor performances and we'll have him gone lads, nowt to worry about."

[st albans fox]

27 minutes ago, WestLothianFox said:

From memory, wasn't Rudkin involved i helping to select Puel? Maybe he wants Puel kept on as it would show badly on him if Puel is sacked. 

 

Just thought I would throw in another theory why he has not gone yet.

 

The sooner he is gone the better. The though of him spending the transfer kitty does not bear thinking about.

I believe rudkins first choice was Wagner  but the same article also stated that he and the owners were Impressed at puel’s interviews with his suggestions for redeployment of the squad  and a change in direction. 

[WigstonWanderer]

Can’t see decent players wanting to sign up with the club in such obvious disarray. Need a reset.

[fazzyfox]

One thing that won't happen is that Puel will be here in August with 85-90% of our current matchday squad still trying to make it work (not including all the out on loans who I presume are heading out). He clearly doesn't have the component parts that his model of play requires so there's a decision to be made, let him plough on changing our unique DNA (which I presume he said he would be doing at his original interview) or call a halt and let someone new decide which path to follow. If he stays he may well bring in some quality to play his way but what way is that - to suffocate passion and look to string together  0-0's and the odd 1-0 win? Against top clubs we'll crack eventually and concede but offer no threat of scoring ourselves. It's a scary thought, one hell of a gamble and maybe we'll never know.

 

What is annoying is that for a large chunk of the season we've been in limbo waiting for the summer transfer window yet still expected to pay full price for a seat - I feel like I paid £45 on Saturday to watch a training session (not that there was much input from the coaches). If we were seing a minimal tiny fragment of improvement each week, half a percent here and there, signs that there's a base of something taking shape then there's some benefit but no, the more it fails the less confident the players become and we're not even just a dull but tight at the back side, that's gone as well, we're on the backfoot from kick off and cave in under the most minimal pressure.

 

There are contradictions, he wants ball playing defenders but prefers Morgan to Dragovic, he seems to be over cautious and nulify our flair yet his one signing is an off the cuff dribbler. We spend the first half taking too many touches in midfield and slowing things down but run out of time at the end of games and go into panic mode - how about using the time in the first half, those 45 minutes, to do something worthwhile, positive, adventurous. 

 

 

[foxinsox]

46 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Can’t see decent players wanting to sign up with the club in such obvious disarray. Need a reset.

The break before the PL winning season was a shambles including a manager sacked following a racist gang bang of Thai prostitutes, on top of a few other farces. We not only survived, we thrived.

[inckley fox]

3 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Can’t see decent players wanting to sign up with the club in such obvious disarray. Need a reset.

I remember when Little took over, people at the club said that the whole place felt totally different from day one. He hit the ground running, shook the place up, wasn't scared to move people on without giving them a first team chance first. While I wouldn't want Brian Little or even the modern day equivalent in charge, I think this sort of instant impact is going to be vital.

[HoustonFox]

Sad to say that I am now finally in the sack him view.  I have run out of patience, and the performance yesterday was woeful.  It feels like the time is right, like when Claudio finally lost the team, or when Shakey was sadly out of his depth.  

[Dan]

On 05/05/2018 at 21:49, Gerbold said:

It's true and, at the same time, not true. I listened to Puel being interviewed on RL on the way back from the match. He is not at all concerned about this situation - and it is a situation. He's in denial that the performances on the pitch are in any way worrying. Sure, the team's safe but this is a man who's fiddling while Rome burns. He might have been remarkable in France but that's home territory - where there is no language barrier to overcome. I had hoped he was a master strategist and technician but he's not getting the best out of the players in any way. Today he blamed the injuries - and that's a sure sign of scratting around for excuses. I've defended him and stated that he should be given time but this is a man whose English isn't  up to a standard capable of invigorating his players and maybe doesn't understand the fervour and pride of English fans - Leicester fans. While he experiments the team deteriorates - improvement through transition just cannot sacrifice at least a level of competence. he looks like a man pretending he's got a cunning plan and we know that's from a comic dullard figure.

Don't blame him alone. Rudkin is increasingly looking like a man promoted beyond his capabilities.- a man who has risen to his level of incompetence. Also, Srivaddhanaprabha isn't grasping the severity of employing bad recruiters to find the 'right' man. He also sacked Pearson to save face - so his reputation matters more to him than the Club's stability. We don't have to be beholden to the man just because he's the one who had enough money to buy the Club. He's done very well out of it for his brand. Many fans over many years have paid significant amounts of meagre incomes in far greater proportion to Sri, in commitment to the Club. Sri is a johnny-come-lately - a man who likes the good life and mixing it with the jet-set. He's little in common with how we feel about LCFC.

The players have a lot to answer for - certain players anyway. I suspect a few influential ones have been subverting Puel - not directly maybe but in whispers and sarcy laughs. Mahrez was again playing the invisible midfielder today - when we could all tell him that the team could revolve around him - if he'd stop disappearing and then trying to create a cameo appearances for himself. We don't like uncommitted players in England.

The team needs a central core to focus on -  manager and senior players. But there's disconnects everywhere -  no pride and even less ideas. This team is going nowhere until it commits to playing for each other and a pride in Leicester. We don't necessarily need to get specific players - we need strong-willed, motivated and responsible players as team leaders.

There are excellent players at City now but their hanging on to each other by gossamer threads. It's there for all to behold that the team of '15-'16 had cohesion and spirit in spades. Time to find the right men for the job - Vichai Sri is the owner -  the impetus should come from him.

 

Superb. You put my thoughts basically ten times as eloquently as I can.

[KJT]

On 05/05/2018 at 21:49, Gerbold said:

It's true and, at the same time, not true. I listened to Puel being interviewed on RL on the way back from the match. He is not at all concerned about this situation - and it is a situation. He's in denial that the performances on the pitch are in any way worrying. Sure, the team's safe but this is a man who's fiddling while Rome burns. He might have been remarkable in France but that's home territory - where there is no language barrier to overcome. I had hoped he was a master strategist and technician but he's not getting the best out of the players in any way. Today he blamed the injuries - and that's a sure sign of scratting around for excuses. I've defended him and stated that he should be given time but this is a man whose English isn't  up to a standard capable of invigorating his players and maybe doesn't understand the fervour and pride of English fans - Leicester fans. While he experiments the team deteriorates - improvement through transition just cannot sacrifice at least a level of competence. he looks like a man pretending he's got a cunning plan and we know that's from a comic dullard figure.

Don't blame him alone. Rudkin is increasingly looking like a man promoted beyond his capabilities.- a man who has risen to his level of incompetence. Also, Srivaddhanaprabha isn't grasping the severity of employing bad recruiters to find the 'right' man. He also sacked Pearson to save face - so his reputation matters more to him than the Club's stability. We don't have to be beholden to the man just because he's the one who had enough money to buy the Club. He's done very well out of it for his brand. Many fans over many years have paid significant amounts of meagre incomes in far greater proportion to Sri, in commitment to the Club. Sri is a johnny-come-lately - a man who likes the good life and mixing it with the jet-set. He's little in common with how we feel about LCFC.

The players have a lot to answer for - certain players anyway. I suspect a few influential ones have been subverting Puel - not directly maybe but in whispers and sarcy laughs. Mahrez was again playing the invisible midfielder today - when we could all tell him that the team could revolve around him - if he'd stop disappearing and then trying to create a cameo appearances for himself. We don't like uncommitted players in England.

The team needs a central core to focus on -  manager and senior players. But there's disconnects everywhere -  no pride and even less ideas. This team is going nowhere until it commits to playing for each other and a pride in Leicester. We don't necessarily need to get specific players - we need strong-willed, motivated and responsible players as team leaders.

There are excellent players at City now but their hanging on to each other by gossamer threads. It's there for all to behold that the team of '15-'16 had cohesion and spirit in spades. Time to find the right men for the job - Vichai Sri is the owner -  the impetus should come from him.

 

Please Vichai read this post and act now or we are going to be relegated next season!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

12 hours ago, Pete from the USA said:

Here's an argument for sacking Puel *after* the summer: A new-manager bounce is best during the playing season. We saw this with both Shakespeare and Puel whose appointments both boosted Leicester up the table. Appointing a manager at the end of the season would squander the bounce. 

 

Also, we don't want to get a reputation for rapidly hiring and firing managers. Keeping Puel into the beginning of next season would make the club look less trigger happy. 

 

Also, the transfer window will go more smoothly if there is continuity in management. This window is too important to also be dealing with manager upheaval. Keep Puel through the window, focus on getting in some new talent, then dump him in October. 

 

Skewed logic leads to worst masterplan ever invented - well done.

[foxfan92]

I was ready to give him a chance to be honest, even up to the Palace game.

 

He has tried to change too much too quickly but I also believed he could attract players that better suited his system.

 

I’m not sure I buy into this player power forcing out another manager. I just think a lot has happened since that fantastic season 2 years ago that’s undone everything we were doing right.

 

I cringe every time someone asks for NP back but he build solid foundations that have since been slowly eroded. 

 

CR and CS didn’t change enough after teams got wise to how we played, and CP changed too much.

 

I think when Puel came in someone should have forced him to watch every match in the previous 2 seasons and showed him what we do well. 

 

We’re a counter attacking team with players who can frighten an opposition when we hit them on the break. What we need is a plan to ensure we stop the long ball that wasn’t working.

 

The first few games under CP we seemed to take one extra touch and play more direct than over the top. It was great to see, we kept the tempo in our attacks and the ball went to a Leicester player not an opposition defender and we looked dangerous.

 

Then it seems like passing is all we practised in training and we went from a faster counter attacking team to a possession based one.

 

Puel was there with Southampton last season but missed the 15/16 season so perhaps he also missed what made us so great. I think the team weakened significantly too with the loss of our central midfield that let us pick up so many balls in the middle of the pitch and catch so many opposing teams out of possition. 

 

Whether it’s pure stubbornness from Puel or a misunderstanding of how to get the best from our players it’s clear to all watching that we’re no longer playing to our strengths. Players look unsure of what they are being asked to do. And while they are professionals it’s also very fine margins that dictate games. You need to all be onside 100% and be confident in what you’re being asked to do or it all goes to pot.

 

If you’re trying to do a job, one you have proven you’re very good at, then you get a change of manager and he changes everything so quickly, even if you know that change is needed to stay at the top, changing too much too fast will (even with the best will in the world) affect your output in the short term. And I believe that’s what we’re witnessing here.

 

We need a strong manager able to impose his vision, but also wise enough to know how to implement it at a speed that makes it a smooth transition and doesn’t ignore the strengths of the team but instead allows them to play to those strengths - even if that means a manager adjusting thier own philosophies too.

 

We have a lot young players now with some great potential but they need consistency at the top, and a manager who knows how to get the best out of them, not one who stubbornly tries to fit round pegs into square holes just to impose their own style of play.

[nnfox]

Look at our squad. Iborra - 30, Simpson, Benalouane, Schmeichel, Vardy, Ulloa - all 31, Okazaki, Fuchs - both 32, Huth - 33, Morgan - 34.  That accounts for 7 title winners who were first team regulars plus some squad players, playing a particular brand of football.  Two years ago, these players were at their peak in the 28-30 age bracket, a great mix of physical fitness, experience and desire.  Now they are not.

 

Next season, who will be coming into that 28-30 bracket?  Albrighton - 28, Silva, King, Slimani - 29.  King won't feature next season and I can't imagine we'll see much of Slimani either.  Mahrez is 27 but will almost certainly be off.  Dragovic is 27 too, and I'd be amazed if he even wanted to hang around.  Matty James is 26 but has obvious fitness issues.

 

So who's left?  Well it is a bit of a mixed bag really.  Maguire is 25, Amartey is 23, Diabate is 22, Ndidi, Iheanacho, Gray and Chilwell are all 21 with the likes of Barnes and Choudhury at 20.  There is enough of these youngsters to be optimistic about the future but before we get to that future we need an almighty clear out. 

 

Given our recent record in the transfer market, even if one signing in two makes a success of moving here, and accepting we could trim the squad a bit, I still think over the next 5 transfer windows leading up to the beginning of the 20/21 season, we'll need to sign somewhere in the region of 20-25 players at least.

 

My point is, getting Leicester City back to a position where we can start challenging the top 6 again is a long term project that will take at least 2 full seasons (if we don't get relegated).  This needs vision and co-ordination and the manager needs to be front and centre of that process.  Whoever the manager is next season, we need to stick with him, we are simply running out of time to chop and change managers after a handful of bad games.  Next season will be a struggle no matter what and I am a little worried because there are no real obvious relegation candidates and we could be as bad as anyone.

[coolhandfox]

Has too go, as with him we will be going down.

 

Unless we appoint someone top draw I think we are going to struggle.

[Beechey]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Has too go, as with him we will be going down.

 

Unless we appoint someone top draw I think we are going to struggle.

Why would someone top draw come here if we're sacking two managers a season though?

[Kinowe Soorie]

3 minutes ago, Beechey said:

Why would someone top draw come here if we're sacking two managers a season though?

Because people are arrogant and think that they can do better than the previous guy, and if not? Big fat pay check.

[Beechey]

2 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

Because people are arrogant and think that they can do better than the previous guy, and if not? Big fat pay check.

Regardless, we can't keep sacking managers at this rate. If Puel is to stay, he needs a good crack at it, otherwise if he goes, the next manager needs the confidence and time from the fans in order to make that system work.

[FrankieADZ]

15 hours ago, DrezZone said:

You forgot that at least 6 important players are injured, so he doesn't have much of a choice. You could argue that he could bring up youngsters for the rest of the season but he's trying to get some results now.

dont get me wrong there has been alot of injuries, but even when those players were fit we was still utter crap and we have been since the turn of the year/late Jan, with the odd half decent performance here and there,

the stats show themselves tbh, think weve only got(I think)18 points since the turn of the year

[suffolk fox]

Makes no difference who the manager is we could have Guadiola, Sir Alex Ferguson, Wenger, Simeone rolled into one but if the players are not performing for a manager it does not matter one jot who that manager is.

 

During the match on Saturday there was a drinks break.  Six LCFC players went over for a drink all of them had their backs turned to Puel.  Speaks volumes for their attitudes and what is wrong this, during a game.  No conversations no pointing or talking re tactics.  You have Puel standing on the tehnical area and Appleton sitting in the dugout.

 

Something is not right at the club.  Until that is sorted we will struggle and be a relegation candidate next season.  Regardless, of who the manager will be,.

[Pete from the USA]

3 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Skewed logic leads to worst masterplan ever invented - well done.

Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with it? I'm just questioning whether swapping managers in a mad panic is the smartest approach.

Edited 7 May 2018 by Pete from the USA

[SpacedX]

19 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

Good question. But I did have one - honest.

I'm not doubting you - there were some that did - but minus the sponsor. I recall that the main sports shops started to sell the big five kits around the early eighties and that grew, but frustratingly the Admiral Leicester kit was not one of them. I had this instead, because I liked it...and being originally from London, QPR were always "the other team'.

 

 

I even wore it to Leicester games...I don't really believe that anyone should have a 'second team', and neither it seemed did Leicester fans, but I did go to watch them quite a lot when I was in London.

 

I guess regarding City, the Bukta kits were the first that became commercially available. 

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, Beechey said:

Why would someone top draw come here if we're sacking two managers a season though?

Money, do you think Neymar grow up dreaming about playing for PSG? 

 

Or Shearer playing for Blackburn?

 

Pep spent his formative coaching years dreaming of managing Man City? 

 

In football money talks, it's down to the owners, if they are serious about us being a regular top 6-7 side, money talks.

[MC Prussian]

22 hours ago, DrezZone said:

You forgot that at least 6 important players are injured, so he doesn't have much of a choice. You could argue that he could bring up youngsters for the rest of the season but he's trying to get some results now.

I've seen maybe one or two posts on the whole that raise the question WHY we have (had) so many injuries. Training regime plays into it to some extent - so why have so few people questioned Puel's training methods?

You can't just explain it by sheer bad luck.

 

In the end, you may be able to put down some of our lack of application on the lack of experience or match practice - but still... The effort on the whole and from most individuals was very poor - once again. Just another day at the office where no one or very few players were actually bothered to play it forward, direct and effective. Having a manager who puts players in odd positions, makes somewhat odd substitutions and who comes up with some of the most irritating and incomprehensible interviews and post-match assessments doesn't help, either.

However, I was pleasantly surprised by Benalouane - and that at right-back!

Edited 7 May 2018 by MC Prussian

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

35 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I've seen maybe one or two posts on the whole that raise the question WHY we have (had) so many injuries. Training regime plays into it to some extent - so why have so few people questioned Puel's training methods?

You can't just explain it by sheer bad luck.

 

In the end, you may be able to put down some of our lack of application on the lack of experience or match practice - but still... The effort on the whole and from most individuals was very poor - once again. Just another day at the office where no one or very few players were actually bothered to play it forward, direct and effective. Having a manager who puts players in odd positions, makes somewhat odd substitutions and who comes up with some of the most irritating and incomprehensible interviews and post-match assessments doesn't help, either.

However, I was pleasantly surprised by Benalouane - and that at right-back!

 

Agreed. Good post..