Bilo Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: They're the Scottish Red Star Belgrade. Nobody would bat an eyelid if Red Star's manager joined any PL club either. I just took a look at the coefficient rankings and Celtic are ranked 45th at present, between Krasnodar and Viktoria Plzen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 5 hours ago, Jattdogg said: I dont think Celtic would be top 6. Big club yes no debating that...But i also think more footballers would want to play in England in the major cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool (is what it is). It's not a dig at Glasgow at all but just my thoughts. I could see them being mid table or in the pack we get thrown in with (Everton, Wolves etc) seeing as we arent a "big top 6 club". But it wont happen as they'd have to agree to start at the bottom of the pyramid and work their way up (only fair). Well depending on how you measure it,Glasgow is actually the UKs 3rd biggest town.Or 4th biggest conurbation If you want to be picky.I know Newcastle struggle a bit with the London effect but Glasgow is certainly in that major European City bracket.It’s got a lot going for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 11 hours ago, Paninistickers said: If that was the case, it'd be us being invited every year to the international champions doo-da and not them. They're box office. They can pull in 80000 in Chicago, Boston, Melbourne and be paid for it....whilst we end up.paying (yes, us paying) absolute non entities like Wolfsburg or real sociedad to.play us at home for a glamour friendly Yes, they'll pull in 80,000 for a preseason friendly among a bunch of Massachusetts residents who spend the rest of the year watching basketball. Why? Because Celtic playing Manchester United in a stadium ten minutes down the road is a different proposition to watching the SPL every week. Compare our global TV audience to theirs when playing any game outside of the Old Firm. In that sense, they almost become a bigger version of Forest and Derby in the sense that the two need each other to seem a bigger international draw than they are. They'll always be held back by the league that they're in while the Premier League is an asset for us. Also, how many of their XI gets into ours? Which side would you back to progress further in Europe next season as a neutral? I'm happy to admit that Celtic are objectively a bigger club than us, but they're a much less attractive proposition for a player or a manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Webbo Posted 21 May 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 21 May 2020 You're not comparing like with like. Celtic and Rangers are the teams they are because they're in the SPL. If they were in the PL they'd no longer be the biggest fish in the pond. Would they be top teams with their massive fan base? It's possible, but Newcastle have a big fan base too and they're nothing special. In short, where the old firm would be in our league is anyone's guess. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxfordfox83 Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 16 hours ago, KingsX said: I don’t buy the “timing” argument. Celtic were so set up to complete that treble, any manager would have got them home and dry. What many Celtic fans can’t tolerate is that Rodgers leaving for Leicester rubbed their noses in the real status of their club. Rodgers told them (words) they were right, that the club’s identity and domestic trophies were the biggest thing in the world to him. Then he went and showed (actions) what they are actually worth today outside the Old Firm bubble. Consider the sizable part of the fanbase that have their tribal identity and self-worth massively tied up with the club, and … lasting bile and hatred. Would there have been much less if he’d left in the summer? I think LCFC fans will manage it better when he moves on, because there is more realism about the status of the club and the role finances play. Interesting. Read some of the shite in the Mahrez thread about Kante leaving and our classy status might have to be revoked. (Classier than the majority of Tims, but not necessarily classy) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 Celtic are a big club. Are they realistically going to be bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham? There are plenty of ‘big’ clubs in England who struggle to achieve the heights of where they ‘should be based on size’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 Fanbase alone wouldn't do Celtic any good - they need investment. That's why Bournemouth are in the Premier League and Leeds are in the Championship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 17 hours ago, Ashley said: They play football in Scotland. Besides Septic and Rangers the Leagues are generally poor. If we were in the Scottish leagues we would have the same success. There was talk about Celtic and Rangers coming to the English leagues, would they do well? They'd be on par with the bottom bottom end of the Premier League and top end Championship. Would they have done well if they had an investment like Chelsea, Man City did years ago, probably. Who wouldn't have though? Calling them Septic is childish and inaccurate. They've way much more earned the nickname Saltic in the last year because they're so ****ing easy to wind up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithuriel Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 Celtic and Rangers are clubs I care nothing for in a shit league, why keep harping on about them, unless we were to play them in Europe they are of little relevance and the fact a manager like Brendan walked out on them during the season to come to a club not in Europe says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 4 hours ago, Leeds Fox said: Celtic are a big club. Are they realistically going to be bigger than Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham? There are plenty of ‘big’ clubs in England who struggle to achieve the heights of where they ‘should be based on size’. I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size. They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD_LCFC Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 (edited) On a different topic- please move if needed. After watching the Last Dance on the Chicago Bulls / Michael Jordan which was a fantastic documentary. Not a basketball fan but the behind the scenes and mindset of a winner was incredible to see. Wondering the possibilities of a short series like this on our title win. Thinking coming from where we did 10 years ago in league 1, to winning the league with a different style of play, not buying the league, the players deemed not good enough by the bigger side, 5000-1. Could have a fantastic documentary on this as well. I am aware / and have watched the main clubs title win videos, but they mainly focus and show the goals and celebrations. Surely something with interviews on all players, coaching staff, oppositions thoughts could well be worth a show. Edited 21 May 2020 by Unique FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 6 hours ago, Nalis said: I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size. They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on. Okay that’s a fair point, I did add West Ham in at the end. I used those avoiding Leeds, Sheff Weds etc. Saying that they do have London which is a huge draw for many players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 12 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: Celtic would be pretty much exactly Newcastle or Villa equivalent in the prem. Sh!te then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 On 21/05/2020 at 15:29, Bilo said: Fanbase alone wouldn't do Celtic any good - they need investment. That's why Bournemouth are in the Premier League and Leeds are in the Championship. They’ed be a tasty proposition for a Boston based Billionaire with Irish blood running through their veins.Thats If they were allowed down south.Won’t happen anyway hopefully.I wouldn’t want to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 23 hours ago, Nalis said: I know its all relative and not the main point you were making but absolutely no way West Ham are in the band of clubs as those you've grouped them with in terms of size. They're probably marginally bigger than us with the gap narrowing as time goes on. I think in terms of fanbase WHU are considerably ahead of us tbh.They have most of Essex behind them and that big swathe of East Greater London.Like Romford and Becton.Their fans have even moved South of the river as London becomes impossible to live in.They have a lot of thinking mans glory fans aswell.The sort who are prepared to do the hard yards.Knowing that one day they might get some glory.If you want to support a proper cockney London club,with a bit of grit and under dog reputation then West Ham’s that club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 42 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said: I think in terms of fanbase WHU are considerably ahead of us tbh.They have most of Essex behind them and that big swathe of East Greater London.Like Romford and Becton.Their fans have even moved South of the river as London becomes impossible to live in.They have a lot of thinking mans glory fans aswell.The sort who are prepared to do the hard yards.Knowing that one day they might get some glory.If you want to support a proper cockney London club,with a bit of grit and under dog reputation then West Ham’s that club. Sh*te stadium though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Celtic are more clued up than the likes of Newcastle and West Ham. Leipzig are a better team now than they were then, but Celtic beat them the other season, they drew 3-3 with Man City not long back too when they don’t even have a similar income to Brighton. Given a few years and provided they stayed up they’d be upper mid table at least. They make better use of their resources than most English clubs do and if they were in the PL they’d obviously attract better players. I don’t like Celtic (or Rangers) but if they were playing in the most well marketed league in the world they’d be a big draw, certainly more attractive than Watford, Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Norwich and the clubs that are up and down. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Celtic and Rangers would make the league stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAD-DAD Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Good grief have you all forgotten just exactly how the scottish fans behave once south of the border? It then becomes an anti english crusade. Brace yourselves for trouble at every home game involving them. Ask why the home internationals were dropped. Heaven forbid we go back to that level of racialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 11 minutes ago, Sly said: Celtic and Rangers would make the league stronger. If it ever happened that would be it for me. If they entered via league 2 in some sort of qualifying criteria then I'd just about accept it but bottom line is they would be preventing 2 English clubs from being in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 4 minutes ago, TRAD-DAD said: Good grief have you all forgotten just exactly how the scottish fans behave once south of the border? It then becomes an anti english crusade. Brace yourselves for trouble at every home game involving them. Ask why the home internationals were dropped. Heaven forbid we go back to that level of racialism. C'mon mate, it's not like English fans cover themselves in glory whilst abroad. In particular for internationals. Old firm fans have a bellend element to them but so do a fair few english ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stadt Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 13 minutes ago, TRAD-DAD said: Good grief have you all forgotten just exactly how the scottish fans behave once south of the border? It then becomes an anti english crusade. Brace yourselves for trouble at every home game involving them. Ask why the home internationals were dropped. Heaven forbid we go back to that level of racialism. I don’t think anybody has said they should enter the league, it’s a hypothetical discussion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 If you imagine Welsh teams had never been allowed to join our league then Swansea and Cardiff would be their old firm, with Wrexham winning the cup on the odd occasion.People would be saying if they were in the Prem Cardiff would be top 6 and Swansea would be a top side too. Obviously that hasn't happened. Celtic and Rangers have built up their support over the last 100 odd years by consistently winning things, if they'd been average teams in our league all this while who knows if they'd have kept that support? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 11 minutes ago, Webbo said: If you imagine Welsh teams had never been allowed to join our league then Swansea and Cardiff would be their old firm, with Wrexham winning the cup on the odd occasion.People would be saying if they were in the Prem Cardiff would be top 6 and Swansea would be a top side too. Obviously that hasn't happened. Celtic and Rangers have built up their support over the last 100 odd years by consistently winning things, if they'd been average teams in our league all this while who knows if they'd have kept that support? Rangers and Celtic have the fanbase that they do in scotland based on religion..... Pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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