Raw Dykes Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 1 hour ago, Bunyip said: Only if you try hard and ignore your own logic. Not really. Don't you think that one person could be more pessimistic than someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 3 hours ago, TJB-fox said: Good post actually. The agenda against Puel from some posters on here is ridiculous and without logic. That’s not true. Claude Puel is a right ****ing bastard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 On 30/09/2018 at 22:43, RumbleFox said: I do not understand? Why would a game where one side totally dominated every stat possible be likely to be a bore draw? By what matrices are you judging a draw a likely result in such a one sided game? I am not trying to be obtuse for the sake of it I genuinely am confused by your assertion but if you can explain to me I would be keen to listen. X Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....what you see and what i see is different. And expectations, if your happy with a mediocre team performing poorly, and your team likewise doing enough to win, having better stats fair enough. Me, I saw us trying to control a team by being efficient, and to be honest my expectations are alot higher, I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition. I like in a world of expectations and doing your optimum, and refuse to expect anything less. Our adventure as a attacking g force was was quite predictable, chilwell bombed forward and very few occasions and rarely went to the by line, Amartey was a null and void as a attacking force. Vardy rarely was I the game and so was Ineacho. People say Vardy is one of the best strikers in the game and how many opportunities did we provide for him, in this game. I watched 3 matches over the weekend and ours was dullest and most pedestrian.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 13 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....what you see and what i see is different. And expectations, if your happy with a mediocre team performing poorly, and your team likewise doing enough to win, having better stats fair enough. Me, I saw us trying to control a team by being efficient, and to be honest my expectations are alot higher, I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition. I like in a world of expectations and doing your optimum, and refuse to expect anything less. Our adventure as a attacking g force was was quite predictable, chilwell bombed forward and very few occasions and rarely went to the by line, Amartey was a null and void as a attacking force. Vardy rarely was I the game and so was Ineacho. People say Vardy is one of the best strikers in the game and how many opportunities did we provide for him, in this game. I watched 3 matches over the weekend and ours was dullest and most pedestrian.. 'I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition' I do get where you're coming from but whatever the result of your endeavours, it is after all exactly what you say, it's just playing at it and it matters not one hoot whether you win or lose. Leicester on the other hand are a multi million pound business who, whether it entertains us are not, are out to win as a priority first and foremost. When a team sits back as much as Newcastle did, determined above all else not to lose first and foremost (and historical Benitez trait), the chances of an open and entertaining game are limited. Efficiency was what was called for and efficiency by and large is what we got with some smaller periods of classier slick play. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 I’m not a lover of Puel at all but things are improving so I don’t get why anybody would want him out right now! I support Leicester City Football Club and if the managers is doing well then so is Leicester! And believe me I don’t like Puel much but I like the vision he has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 7 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: 'I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition' I do get where you're coming from but whatever the result of your endeavours, it is after all exactly what you say, it's just playing at it and it matters not one hoot whether you win or lose. Leicester on the other hand are a multi million pound business who, whether it entertains us are not, are out to win as a priority first and foremost. When a team sits back as much as Newcastle did, determined above all else not to lose first and foremost (and historical Benitez trait), the chances of an open and entertaining game are limited. Efficiency was what was called for and efficiency by and large is what we got with some smaller periods of classier slick play. You missed understood my point, I was asked a very specific thing, I gave a example. However, I believe in a footy philosophy of art and expertise....your point of million pounds d bullshit is irrelevant, managers at lower leagues and higher leagues believe in the philosophy I talk about, I fact Puel talks alot about it, and guess what many are successful and many are not. Using Newcastle sitting back as a example is even more ludicrous, cus I the second half they made a lame attempt....how many times did we test the keeper I the second with any conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....what you see and what i see is different. And expectations, if your happy with a mediocre team performing poorly, and your team likewise doing enough to win, having better stats fair enough. Me, I saw us trying to control a team by being efficient, and to be honest my expectations are alot higher, I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition. I like in a world of expectations and doing your optimum, and refuse to expect anything less. Our adventure as a attacking g force was was quite predictable, chilwell bombed forward and very few occasions and rarely went to the by line, Amartey was a null and void as a attacking force. Vardy rarely was I the game and so was Ineacho. People say Vardy is one of the best strikers in the game and how many opportunities did we provide for him, in this game. I watched 3 matches over the weekend and ours was dullest and most pedestrian.. What an odd post. X 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 Just now, RumbleFox said: What an odd post. X I could say the same about you. But I'm mature enough to except people have differing opinions, and whether I agree or not, it doesn't really matter. One thing I love about about the forum is the differing opinions. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelbee Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 Puel is doing ok. 12 relatively quick points on the board and Southgate ransacking the club for young talent that largely Peul had exposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: I could say the same about you. But I'm mature enough to except people have differing opinions, and whether I agree or not, it doesn't really matter. One thing I love about about the forum is the differing opinions. Do you except them or accept them? Edited 5 October 2018 by HighPeakFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 41 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: I could say the same about you. But I'm mature enough to except people have differing opinions, and whether I agree or not, it doesn't really matter. One thing I love about about the forum is the differing opinions. No no I don't mind people disagreeing with me, in fact I really like it as I like to have my views challenged. I just genuinely mean I found it odd and am not sure how to respond. You seem to have quoted my original post but answered a completely different one? It was not meant as a dig, it was a mere exclamation of genuine confusion. X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: Do you except them or accept them? Both, and at the same time, and backwards, one above of each other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 9 minutes ago, RumbleFox said: No no I don't mind people disagreeing with me, in fact I really like it as I like to have my views challenged. I just genuinely mean I found it odd and am not sure how to respond. You seem to have quoted my original post but answered a completely different one? It was not meant as a dig, it was a mere exclamation of genuine confusion. X How? You put in bold the bit about my post where I said it could have been a bore draw ie the boredom, you stated some shit about stats, matrices, how I judge my conclusion and confusion. I stated, my perception and my expectations of what football and how a judge a match answering you bore draw stuff. How is that confusing please do explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Golden Fox Posted 5 October 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 5 October 2018 I couldn't work out Puel last season: His brief was to survive - he pretty much delivered by the end of Jan... Then, we went off the rails - was Puel trying to test players to see who to keep, who to leave out, where we needed to strengthen over the summer? - was Puel told not to get into Europe as the club's hierarchy knew it wasn't in our best interests long term - did he know he had to change the style of play (& go for youth over experience) & didn't care about what it looked like or whether we won or not as we had time - did Mahrez's stunt just suck the life out of the team & any manager would have struggled - was he out of his depth??? I still don't know the answers to this - so I don't want to judge him on last season - but I think many people on here are just going for number 5 and discounting the possibilities of the others... It is more interesting to look at him in this season in isolation: - lost to Liv/Man U by a single goal, but won 4 out of 5 of the other games to take us to 8th - progressed through 2 rounds of the league cup At this point, no matter how bad the Bournemouth game was, I think you have to be happy with where we are as a club. The criticisms I'm reading here - boring play, not being more aggressive when defending a lead away from home - are coloured by some very poor performance towards the end of last season & the once in a lifetime season we experienced rather than genuine current reasons for changing a manager. In response to the initial post, I wouldn't prefer any that list to Puel - there are names not on that list that I'd prefer, and some may be available at the right price or given the right conversation, but I think you only take a risk like that when you are in the relegation zone. That is the very reason we made the last 2 manager changes - we are in the top 10 FFS - not the relegation zone, so it may be time for us to move on from last season & get our heads around just supporting the chap who is doing a pretty good job, whether its in the way we would go about it or not! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 5 October 2018 Share Posted 5 October 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: How? You put in bold the bit about my post where I said it could have been a bore draw ie the boredom, you stated some shit about stats, matrices, how I judge my conclusion and confusion. I stated, my perception and my expectations of what football and how a judge a match answering you bore draw stuff. How is that confusing please do explain? Because I took your post to mean that the game was headed towards a bore draw because it was in some way even. It was the DRAW bit I focused on more than the BORE. I was surprised by this because to me it was one of the most one sided matches of the weekend. You then responded by talking about the beauty of the game (a lot of which i agree with you about) but I mentioned nothing about style, or excitement or intrinsic beauty I was talking about expected results and that I was confused about how you saw that game as anything close to a draw. You seemed to answer a question based upon style and excitement and "what football should be like" which was absolutely nothing to do with my original post. Like I said, I agree with you on a lot of what you said. What I did not agree with initially and what you still haven'y explained to me in a manner which changes my mind in how that game was an even one in which a draw would be a fair result? If I misjudged your original post fair enough but you certainly misjudged my response in yours. X Edited 5 October 2018 by RumbleFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 6 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: You missed understood my point, I was asked a very specific thing, I gave a example. However, I believe in a footy philosophy of art and expertise....your point of million pounds d bullshit is irrelevant, managers at lower leagues and higher leagues believe in the philosophy I talk about, I fact Puel talks alot about it, and guess what many are successful and many are not. Using Newcastle sitting back as a example is even more ludicrous, cus I the second half they made a lame attempt....how many times did we test the keeper I the second with any conviction. Philosophy of art and the beautiful game are all very well but if you don't win you eventually get relegated. Paulo Sousa wanted to play champagne football but with beer and chips players, so much for that experiment, he got the sack! Also, if you're 2 nil up in the second half why would you want to overstretch in the attacking department, there was some game management going on admittedly perhaps but why would you not protect a two goal lead? If you've got Man City's wealth of talent perhaps you can more afford to be that bit more adventurous, but we haven't, we've got a team with a lot of young players trying to adapt to a different style for some of them. I think Puel has asserted that he doesn't set out his tactics to slowly and slavishly pass the ball around and you can see attempts at good interplay. He can't win though because if this week he insisted on a more gun ho approach and lost the Puel out brigade would still be after his head! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 12 hours ago, Raw Dykes said: Not really. Don't you think that one person could be more pessimistic than someone else? Only a pessimist would come to that conclusion. An optimist would probably say you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiFox Posted 6 October 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 6 October 2018 11 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....what you see and what i see is different. And expectations, if your happy with a mediocre team performing poorly, and your team likewise doing enough to win, having better stats fair enough. Me, I saw us trying to control a team by being efficient, and to be honest my expectations are alot higher, I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition. I like in a world of expectations and doing your optimum, and refuse to expect anything less. Our adventure as a attacking g force was was quite predictable, chilwell bombed forward and very few occasions and rarely went to the by line, Amartey was a null and void as a attacking force. Vardy rarely was I the game and so was Ineacho. People say Vardy is one of the best strikers in the game and how many opportunities did we provide for him, in this game. I watched 3 matches over the weekend and ours was dullest and most pedestrian.. I watched the match live, and again in full yesterday. Throughout the game the commentators were very impressed with the way we played. They said we were totally in control, managed the game well, fully deserved to win, were very professional with lots of great movements and a lot of skill. I am so much happier with our current approach rather than hoofing it up to Vardy. We still had 12 shots against Newcastle, and 9 corners. As for Vardy not getting many opportunities, maybe not as many as the hoof approach would have brought, but he was still the second highest English scorer in 2018....whilst Puel was our manager, and he has already scored 3 this season in less than 4 games. Our new style will take time to fully develop. We had the youngest PL team out last weekend and I thought they showed a maturity for such a young team. Obviously they are naive at times, but that is to be expected. We are mid table, bringing in a whole bunch of very young players, getting rid of the old guard, whilst changing our whole style and staying mid table. Let's enjoy the ride and see where Puel takes us. You might be surprised. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 11 hours ago, chapero82 said: I’m not a lover of Puel at all but things are improving so I don’t get why anybody would want him out right now! I support Leicester City Football Club and if the managers is doing well then so is Leicester! And believe me I don’t like Puel much but I like the vision he has Why? Did he crimp off a curled steaming log in your hat or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 2 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: Why? Did he crimp off a curled steaming log in your hat or something? It's a defence against admitting having got something wrong - it happens all the time, especially politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 8 hours ago, RumbleFox said: Because I took your post to mean that the game was headed towards a bore draw because it was in some way even. It was the DRAW bit I focused on more than the BORE. I was surprised by this because to me it was one of the most one sided matches of the weekend. You then responded by talking about the beauty of the game (a lot of which i agree with you about) but I mentioned nothing about style, or excitement or intrinsic beauty I was talking about expected results and that I was confused about how you saw that game as anything close to a draw. You seemed to answer a question based upon style and excitement and "what football should be like" which was absolutely nothing to do with my original post. Like I said, I agree with you on a lot of what you said. What I did not agree with initially and what you still haven'y explained to me in a manner which changes my mind in how that game was an even one in which a draw would be a fair result? If I misjudged your original post fair enough but you certainly misjudged my response in yours. X Ok, firstly I didn't say a draw would be a fair result. Well the point I was trying to make is, up until the penalty I couldn't see us score, our play was slow, that meant the likes of chilwell were always crossing Infront of the defence. Amartey offered nothing going forward, both Mendy and Ndidi are too similar, Vardy and Nacho rarely threatened. In the first I can't remember other then a Pereiera shot the goal keeper being tested. Newcastle were happy to sit tight and comfortable. After the the first goal, we didn't really press a poor Newcastle side for a second. They we were playing we were always susceptible for the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 12 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: 'I play footy twice a week, and no means of any standards, but believe me, we as a team love the game, we love our art, no matter how shit we are and we give it our all in destroying the opposition' I do get where you're coming from but whatever the result of your endeavours, it is after all exactly what you say, it's just playing at it and it matters not one hoot whether you win or lose. Leicester on the other hand are a multi million pound business who, whether it entertains us are not, are out to win as a priority first and foremost. When a team sits back as much as Newcastle did, determined above all else not to lose first and foremost (and historical Benitez trait), the chances of an open and entertaining game are limited. Efficiency was what was called for and efficiency by and large is what we got with some smaller periods of classier slick play. We love our art. Wtf? ? - get someone to video your kick about, watch it back and then double check whether it’s art or just a bunch of sweaty ageing men all chasing after a ball like kids in a school play ground. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 38 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: Ok, firstly I didn't say a draw would be a fair result. Well the point I was trying to make is, up until the penalty I couldn't see us score, our play was slow, that meant the likes of chilwell were always crossing Infront of the defence. Amartey offered nothing going forward, both Mendy and Ndidi are too similar, Vardy and Nacho rarely threatened. In the first I can't remember other then a Pereiera shot the goal keeper being tested. Newcastle were happy to sit tight and comfortable. After the the first goal, we didn't really press a poor Newcastle side for a second. They we were playing we were always susceptible for the draw. As they had done at home to spurs and Chelsea - but we played out the game in far more comfort than either of those two ...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 1 hour ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: Why? Did he crimp off a curled steaming log in your hat or something? No I just can’t connect with him not his fault just the way it is, everybody is entitled to an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 6 October 2018 Share Posted 6 October 2018 1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said: It's a defence against admitting having got something wrong - it happens all the time, especially politically. Got what wrong exactly? We aren’t even half way through the season yet, if we go on a long run again like last season of losing etc you will all call for his head again! Lets wait until the the end of the season until we start saying who was right and wrong ?? I would love love to be wrong and would hold my hands up if I am! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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