So many "puel out" calls from fans, so who replaces him?

[STUHILL]

8 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The biggest question to those who want him gone is what direction should we go in? Should we carry on the same road we're going down in terms of possession football and wanting to promote young players and employ a manager who you think could just get us doing it more effectively? OR do you think we should refer back to the more direct counter-attacking style where the main emphasis was more on defensive organisation? 

I don't agree on sacking him now, but if we do change in the future, then I'd like to continue with some of the good things Puel has brought, but also try to improve or correct the areas I feel he is falling short on. 

 

I want a manager that is willing to be flexible in terms of formations, styles and systems. I understand that many managers usually have a belief in ONE style, but I don't think that should mean they are unwilling to adapt to oppositions or a downturn in form in terms of formations and selections. 

 

I'd like a Manager that can recognise when something isn't working well, but more importantly, then react and change things. These changes might not always work, but at least it shows a Manager that is willing to accept that they may have got it wrong and will try different things when necessary. 

 

I'm not looking for a Manager that can work miracles, I understand that we are likely to always be around the 7th-14th level, but I still need to believe in what they are doing in the short-term, as well as trying to achieve in the long-term. 

 

The issue I am having with Puel at the moment, is that he has brought in his own players and also selects players that don't really fit into his one and only system. He is then either unaware of it's failings or too stubborn to change it. That for me is a concern, and I would like a Manager to be more flexible, reactive and open to change when needed. 

 

In terms of style - I enjoy keeping the ball and there have been some games that were great to watch. However, there have been more games where the play has been slow and ineffective and showed that having possession is pretty worthless unless we use it effectively. Are we still suggesting after 41 games, the players are still struggling with the new system? Or is it the system itself that has short-comings, as well as it did during his 53 games at Southampton.

 

I'd like any incoming Manager to continue to develop our ability and comfort with the ball, but also allow our players to be more direct when needed, and have a Plan B up his sleeve, such as a big lump no.9 and Albrighton and Ghezzal whipping crossed into the box. Where is our plan B to break down stubborn teams?

 

We have a system. We have a formation. We have a style. What does Puel do when it doesn't work? He changes a player or two and that's it. No flexibility, no new ideas, no real change? That is my biggest issue with Puel and IF we do change, that is what I would like from any new Manager. 

 

Before the hate... I STILL THINK PUEL NEEDS MORE TIME... hopefully he can show some flexibility in that time.

 

 

[Corky]

9 hours ago, bpfox said:

think if we dont win the next 4 games , HES GONE. so 3 games in the league and one in the cup, i think the owners will call time on him if he does not produce the goods. AND HE will only have himself to blame, because he really needs to change the team around ,that means changes in defense and getting rid of gray. maybe going 3 at the back. but if he keeps playing the same style with the sames players he will be gone.

So if we get 9 points he stays but seven points and he's gone?

[volpeazzurro]

On 19/09/2018 at 22:18, Bunyip said:

I don't need to have ten years in management myself to recognise a bad manager. All I have to do is go down each week and watch it get worse and worse, and it really is.

 

Oh and he's been sacked twice in that period so what does that tell you?

Yep, sacked by Southampton for coming 8th and getting to a cup final after selling all their strike force and wondering why, untypically until that point, he employed very defensive tactics. They clearly made the right decision though didn't they and have progressed well since. Delusions of grandeur?

 

We were nose diving ourselves fast when Puel arrived lest we forget with possibly certain problems off the pitch. There has been admittedly some absolute crap served up on our pitch but why is anyone suprised with the ill bought mish mosh of ill fitting players we'd bought in? It needed sorting which is easier said than done when some of these under achievers are on long cotracts earning big wages, who'd want them?

We're at best a mediocre side in transition with a new and very young squad trying to employ a new system, it's going to take some time. The alternative is to get a Mark Hughes or similar in like Southampton, because what other doom brain with our recent managerial record would want to come here?

 

I bow to your expertise in knowing bad managers,  perhaps you should put yourself forward to pick our next one. Please be aware it has to be someone better than Puel who is available and willing to come. They may also want a bundle load of cash to change the squad yet to fulfill their own  football 'philosophy' that you may not have to give them. We've lost 2 games we reasonably could have expected to,  won two we perhaps would have expected to and lost one to a team away who,  love it or hate it, have a settled manager, team and system in and around where we should be in the table. Outside the top three or four teams there's some utter crap being played at times at the start of this season by most other teams who's fans also want instant success. We're no better than most of them at the moment and are probably in our rightful position all things considered,  people who think otherwise are perhaps a little deluded. 

 

[volpeazzurro]

10 hours ago, Strokes said:

There is something very Craig Levein about Puel.

Yep, couldn't understand most of what either of them were saying ?

[Dan]

On 19/09/2018 at 16:22, Stadt said:

I’m not certain he’d even be interested in the job but Benitez wouldn’t be as negative here. He’s always been pragmatic but that Newcastle team is absolutely toss. He wouldn’t have us playing free flowing football but we’d play higher up and show more ambition than how he plays currently.

Do find it daft how people sneer at his style looking at his Newcastle side. That squad individually is one of the worst three in this league for me (along with Huddersfield & Cardiff). He wouldn't set up the same here that he does there.

[Father Ted]

This really is a no brainer. We currently have a God who is on the owners books in Belgium. 

[Bunyip]

8 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Yep, sacked by Southampton for coming 8th and getting to a cup final after selling all their strike force and wondering why, untypically until that point, he employed very defensive tactics. They clearly made the right decision though didn't they and have progressed well since. Delusions of grandeur?

 

We were nose diving ourselves fast when Puel arrived lest we forget with possibly certain problems off the pitch. There has been admittedly some absolute crap served up on our pitch but why is anyone suprised with the ill bought mish mosh of ill fitting players we'd bought in? It needed sorting which is easier said than done when some of these under achievers are on long cotracts earning big wages, who'd want them?

We're at best a mediocre side in transition with a new and very young squad trying to employ a new system, it's going to take some time. The alternative is to get a Mark Hughes or similar in like Southampton, because what other doom brain with our recent managerial record would want to come here?

 

I bow to your expertise in knowing bad managers,  perhaps you should put yourself forward to pick our next one. Please be aware it has to be someone better than Puel who is available and willing to come. They may also want a bundle load of cash to change the squad yet to fulfill their own  football 'philosophy' that you may not have to give them. We've lost 2 games we reasonably could have expected to,  won two we perhaps would have expected to and lost one to a team away who,  love it or hate it, have a settled manager, team and system in and around where we should be in the table. Outside the top three or four teams there's some utter crap being played at times at the start of this season by most other teams who's fans also want instant success. We're no better than most of them at the moment and are probably in our rightful position all things considered,  people who think otherwise are perhaps a little deluded. 

 

Sarcasm eh? the sharp instrument of a blunt mind.  No mention of the other sacking then?  As I have already said I don't need to think of a replacement I'm not the owners. In case you forgot he had all summer to bring in players he needed and all the time in the world to formulate a tactical system to suit those players. It's not working.

 

We have won two games we had no right to. We lost to games we also had no right to, Then came Bournemouth who absolutely out thought us outpaced us and thoroughly deserved to beat us. Puel made it so easy for Howe because of his poor tactics and poor team selections. I take no pleasure in thinking it's going to get much worse. But you keep polishing a turd if must.

[Simoken]

40 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

We have won two games we had no right to. We lost to games we also had no right to, Then came Bournemouth who absolutely out thought us outpaced us and thoroughly deserved to beat us. Puel made it so easy for Howe because of his poor tactics and poor team selections. I take no pleasure in thinking it's going to get much worse. But you keep polishing a turd if must.

Yet again it feels like dejavu, not getitng instant success and dreams of a PL winning formula after 5 games and all matter of negativity and uninspiring comments come flooding in. Deluded and stuck in the past and not seeing clear signs of promise behind the scenes. Yes 'right now' its not clicking and improvements need to be made but for once the young talent in the squad is beginning to shine through and i feel positive about the future and what the club is trying to build. Hes been in the job for just a year and already has made a difference. The new additions made still need a little more game time to gel within the squad, they are human afterall, There could be different reasons that you just dont know about. In the end we are all assuming whats going on. The lack of patience and tunnel mindedness is laughable.

[Matt]

17 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Yet again it feels like dejavu, not getitng instant success and dreams of a PL winning formula after 5 games and all matter of negativity and uninspiring comments come flooding in. Deluded and stuck in the past and not seeing clear signs of promise behind the scenes. Yes 'right now' its not clicking and improvements need to be made but for once the young talent in the squad is beginning to shine through and i feel positive about the future and what the club is trying to build. Hes been in the job for just a year and already has made a difference. The new additions made still need a little more game time to gel within the squad, they are human afterall, There could be different reasons that you just dont know about. In the end we are all assuming whats going on. The lack of patience and tunnel mindedness is laughable.

The irony in all this is I dare say anyone who can see the shortcomings and have issues with what is going on don’t have the PL success in their minds when making their points, opinions and arguments. I know I haven’t.

 

PL title or not I’m not impressed with what’s going on and would be making the points regardless.

 

It seems you are the one who keeps harping on about PL title win.

[Bunyip]

30 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Yet again it feels like dejavu, not getitng instant success and dreams of a PL winning formula after 5 games and all matter of negativity and uninspiring comments come flooding in. Deluded and stuck in the past and not seeing clear signs of promise behind the scenes. Yes 'right now' its not clicking and improvements need to be made but for once the young talent in the squad is beginning to shine through and i feel positive about the future and what the club is trying to build. Hes been in the job for just a year and already has made a difference. The new additions made still need a little more game time to gel within the squad, they are human afterall, There could be different reasons that you just dont know about. In the end we are all assuming whats going on. The lack of patience and tunnel mindedness is laughable.

As is your unfounded optimism.

[Simoken]

2 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

As is your unfounded optimism.

Please continue

[grumpy old git]

Puel for me is a single minded manager who it’s my way or the highway but he is a million miles away from becoming a Brian Clough!

He faults are rather obvious the most people he sticks with his formation and his way of playing and will not even consider any change. (Plan A with no Plan B)

His substitutions are sometimes the laughing stock, if we are chasing a game he takes off an attacker and puts on a defender.

When my mates can’t stop laughing saying we are glad he is your manager and not there’s, you know something is very wrong!

Lastly our current form is very poor last 19 games point average is just 1 point per game.

[Bunyip]

15 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Please continue

There would be no point lets agree to differ. We have opposite opinions which we have aired on here. I respect your points. The Full-time whistle's gone.

 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, grumpy old git said:

Puel for me is a single minded manager who it’s my way or the highway but he is a million miles away from becoming a Brian Clough!

 

He faults are rather obvious the most people he sticks with his formation and his way of playing and will not even consider any change. (Plan A with no Plan B)

 

His substitutions are sometimes the laughing stock, if we are chasing a game he takes off an attacker and puts on a defender.

 

When my mates can’t stop laughing saying we are glad he is your manager and not there’s, you know something is very wrong!

 

Lastly our current form is very poor last 19 games point average is just 1 point per game.

 

I am glad he's our manager,and not theirs......

There are a few managers who are even showing they have a plan....I

Dyche,Howe..maybe Wolves manager??

Puel was given the mandate,to make out the plan for a rebuild,and change the character of the team.. 

Like it or not last season was getting a top half security,and testing a squad left behind.....He gave everybody a chance...

I admit,a few real forgettable performances.....but also a very mediocre squad

He's got 2 young... players,into the first 12,and performing. He's bought in a CB who became an England Int.

He went out and grabbed a young hungry,attacking midfielder in Maddison....who was still not at the PL pace and fitness.

 

Many don't question the subs,others make an issue on it on false self-created agendas,to prove very incompetent points and opinions.

Selling them as obvious....and to qualify their own short term high expectations....

 

Puel might succeed or fail...but if managers with more financial clout ,like klopp,Guardiola,Mourhino,and Pocchitino were give time,

Then at little ol' Leicester....without silly OT T expectations should we afford without being devoid of imagination,to give  Puel/any manager

that patience of thought and time......We don't have resources of  high quality like the for mentioned,to carry and guarantee given points,

and performances....Too many are just waiting for an everyweek fail...not because of the health of the team,but just to carry on their

Own spite towards the present set up.....They are only looking short time,and a failing instant success.

Others are happy to try and take the long route.....turning around the employment exchange is a football idiocracy,but there has to be

a balance,and a time of strengthening and stability.To attempt,to try to give ideas,their head and not crumble to the frustration and

Short term plans of some...

 

 

 

[elvisfmcfly]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

I am glad he's our manager,and not theirs......

There are a few managers who are even showing they have a plan....I

Dyche,Howe..maybe Wolves manager??

Puel was given the mandate,to make out the plan for a rebuild,and change the character of the team.. 

Like it or not last season was getting a top half security,and testing a squad left behind.....He gave everybody a chance...

I admit,a few real forgettable performances.....but also a very mediocre squad

He's got 2 young... players,into the first 12,and performing. He's bought in a CB who became an England Int.

He went out and grabbed a young hungry,attacking midfielder in Maddison....who was still not at the PL pace and fitness.

 

Many don't question the subs,others make an issue on it on false self-created agendas,to prove very incompetent points and opinions.

Selling them as obvious....and to qualify their own short term high expectations....

 

Puel might succeed or fail...but if managers with more financial clout ,like klopp,Guardiola,Mourhino,and Pocchitino were give time,

Then at little ol' Leicester....without silly OT T expectations should we afford without being devoid of imagination,to give  Puel/any manager

that patience of thought and time......We don't have resources of  high quality like the for mentioned,to carry and guarantee given points,

and performances....Too many are just waiting for an everyweek fail...not because of the health of the team,but just to carry on their

Own spite towards the present set up.....They are only looking short time,and a failing instant success.

Others are happy to try and take the long route.....turning around the employment exchange is a football idiocracy,but there has to be

a balance,and a time of strengthening and stability.To attempt,to try to give ideas,their head and not crumble to the frustration and

Short term plans of some...

 

 

 

Puel out! 

[volpeazzurro]

9 hours ago, Bunyip said:

Sarcasm eh? the sharp instrument of a blunt mind.  No mention of the other sacking then?  As I have already said I don't need to think of a replacement I'm not the owners. In case you forgot he had all summer to bring in players he needed and all the time in the world to formulate a tactical system to suit those players. It's not working.

 

We have won two games we had no right to. We lost to games we also had no right to, Then came Bournemouth who absolutely out thought us outpaced us and thoroughly deserved to beat us. Puel made it so easy for Howe because of his poor tactics and poor team selections. I take no pleasure in thinking it's going to get much worse. But you keep polishing a turd if must.

I know you can't polish a turd but you can sprinkle it with glitter. 

Who knows what will happen and who knows who they tried to get in the summer.  Not getting doesn't mean not trying however and we're never privy to that info. I think there's quite a burden though wage wise on players we have but can't get shut of.

Sorry if I appeared too sarcastic, we're all entitled to our views but my over riding thoughts are that we're only 5 games into the season and don't see any real panic yet. We've tried most other things and just think that trying a bit of stability with the bringing through of young players is worth a shot for a change. Outside of the top 2 or 3 most of the other teams, some with the odd exceptional player are all much of a muchness really. I think some of our youngsters have the prospect of being much better. I still think it bodes well with a bit of patience but it could really upset the apple cart with yet another sacking only to employ another been round the block type manager. 

[stulcfc]

Big Sam / Roy Keane 

[funkyrobot]

On 19/09/2018 at 10:12, sly1 said:

Rafa rafa get him in 

?

[fuchsntf]

33 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

"So many Puel out calls". Every innocent bloke who ever got lynched heard similar endearments before they slapped the horse away from under him.

This is the toughest league in the world in which to be a manager - Spain, Italy, France and Deutschland are a doddle compared to the Premier. The chaos that followed the title is now gradually receding, yet there are still those who, without naming a credible successor, want away with him. Of course, as far as they're concerned, (that is, the 'impatient ones' (who, if they were in a queue for euthanasia, would be asking "what's the hold-up in front?")) I and those holding my p-o-v, are pi**ing into the wind as far as advising forbearance.

The six are sorting themselves out (bar United ) - in essence, as far as survival goes, there are fourteen teams struggling to hold on to the greasy pole. What we, as a team, have a reasonable chance of doing is progressing in two Cups and aiming for a Europa League position. We're seventh - however we've achieved that, it's undeniable that there's been a progression to stability. We may have had good fortune but, it's like the old adage says, ' the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have'.

I take heart in the fact that, however much dissatisfaction the vociferous some express, it will have f**k-all effect on the Club. I suspect that Srivaddhanaprabha is  quietly pleased at this point of the season - and is going to show patience far longer than the ingrates would like. So, Puel isn't providing the kind of football you want or fielding the players you want to see - on the training ground is where Puel is making his decisions - with some reference to the opposition. I would like to see a more stable unit, but in these days of player-power, maybe Puel knows that keeping players off the field will only lead to discontent. Not a mature attitude, but the days are long gone where men showed loyalty and commitment to their club rather than themselves.

And so it will go - with the Puel-out brigade continuing to plead bogus reasons for his removal. This is the nature of this forum - any number of fools can express their 'feeling', and pick on single causes to champion -  but Puel is managing a football team - an unsteady vessel on an ever changing sea. Very few of us could do it - even less would do it. I'm thankful that a heard-headed businessman makes the decisions at Leicester. We could have a jerk like Ashley ruining the Club.

 

Some days after all the stress,and bleeding hearts,& bleating I know better campaigners...it's just nice to sit down,put your feet up,drink 

a tea,finish with a warm cognac......and enjoy reading a damn good common sense post on foxestalk...

@Gerbold.....thanks very much....

[Wymsey]

If he was younger than he is, would have taken a punt at Guus Hiddink.

Edited 30 September 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[katieakita]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Southampton_F.C._season

 

All this talk of the 8th place finish and a cup final but playing poor football and this downer on Puel. Taking a look at the squad with Charlie half fit Austin, Jay Rodriguez, Shane Long playing upfront with Nathan Redmond and Dusan Tadic providing the flair with Van Dijk missing half the season thanks to our Jamie. Personally think that is a bloody good effort. Also this poor end to the season people go on about with the last 8 games only winning 1 drawing 3 and losing 4. They played Man City, Man Utd ,Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool during those games. There might be better out there but there is a hell of a lot worse. Southampton apart from being a feeder club for Liverpool seem to have constantly sold their better players and tried bringing in cheaper options, you can only do this for so long

[don_danbury]

predrag raiuhg`lnrw/rwlignr guy

[Dr The Singh]

Next 3 matches will be a telling point imo.   We've been hot and cold but 7th position so far without really playing our best shows potential.

 

It's clear he will be given this season, I can t see us reaching 7th, I think 11th will be achieved.  For me I want to see performances improve, the Newcastle game was one where it could have been a bore draw, the controlled slow possession play needed tempo and impetus.

[RumbleFox]

On 21/09/2018 at 09:32, Bunyip said:

As is your unfounded optimism.

There is a difference between optimism and saying "you are being too pessimistic".  A rejection of the overly critical is not the same as the embracing of the overly positive.  X

[RumbleFox]

17 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Next 3 matches will be a telling point imo.   We've been hot and cold but 7th position so far without really playing our best shows potential.

 

It's clear he will be given this season, I can t see us reaching 7th, I think 11th will be achieved.  For me I want to see performances improve, the Newcastle game was one where it could have been a bore draw, the controlled slow possession play needed tempo and impetus.

I do not understand?  Why would a game where one side totally dominated every stat possible be likely to be a bore draw?  By what matrices are you judging a draw a likely result in such a one sided game?  I am not trying to be obtuse for the sake of it I genuinely am confused by your assertion but if you can explain to me I would be keen to listen.  X