Lack of creativity under Puel

[Tringfox]

14 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

I bet you if we was playing amazing exciting football fanboys would be saying I told you so.. honestly he’s had a pretty season to sort things out and things are just as bad as last season! 

Would you give him another transfer window and give him to the end of the season?

[Fox 4 Life]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Southampton was with 8 changes to the normal line up and Burnley was after trecking half way around the world for the funeral. We still should have won comfortably and would have if we'd converted the numerous chances we had (22 shots at goal to their 6).

But did we win, or score? We still had 5 usual starters and a much stronger team than Southampton did. Puel has made Vardy completely ineffective with possession football as we have nobody that can play a killer through ball. It is infuriating to watch.

[whoareyaaa]

10 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Looking at the next 6, I genuinely think we will get a maximum of 5 points, if that.

 

Watford (H) 1

Fulham (A) 1/3

Spurs (H) 0

Palace (A) 0/1

Chelsea (A) 0

Man City (H) 0

think we will see a return of 10 points 3 wins and a draw

[chapero82]

14 minutes ago, Tringfox said:

Would you give him another transfer window and give him to the end of the season?

Yes I would, unless something drastic happened and we were facing relegation 

[Babylon]

11 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

But did we win, or score? We still had 5 usual starters and a much stronger team than Southampton did. Puel has made Vardy completely ineffective with possession football as we have nobody that can play a killer through ball. It is infuriating to watch.

So Puel is to blame for us missing 22 chances against Burnley? Give it a rest.

 

As for it being a "much stronger team than Southampton" clearly it wasn't and there is little to back up that statement, because that team never plays together.

[Gillies Apprentice]

I think too much reliance has been put on Maddison being the fulcrum of our three attacking midfielders , such that when he's been injured/gone off the boil/been suspended , we haven't been able to replace him effectively. His two yellows against Brighton were totally out of character and , my guess is , were borne out of frustration .

Whilst the stellar rise that his best mate Chilwell has achieved in recent months will ,undoubtedly, have delighted him ,the stark contrast in his fortunes over the same period must be a cause of huge frustration.The comedown from his first England call up to his embarrassing dismissal at Brighton has been massive and it will be a real test of Puel's man management to get his head right for Saturday . 

If we get a fit , sensibly motivated and back to form Maddison between now and Christmas our creativity and results will improve significantly ,if not it will be a pretty bleak outlook .

Whilst I'm by no means a Puel hater , I think it is a misjudgement to rely so heavily on a 22 year old , in his first season in the Premier League and , so far ,not be flexible enough to change our formation when he's not available or playing well.      

 

[turtmcfly]

2 hours ago, cropstonfox said:

its Fallacious

When I shout it out loud by the fridges in Aldi it's got a hard T in it mate. 

[Fox 4 Life]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

So Puel is to blame for us missing 22 chances against Burnley? Give it a rest.

 

As for it being a "much stronger team than Southampton" clearly it wasn't and there is little to back up that statement, because that team never plays together.

But isn't that half the issue, when did we last have any consistency in our line-up?

 

Puel doesn't seem to have found a team he likes and it is showing in our play as the chemistry is terrible. Maddison is played out of position, he needs to be our outlet going forward.

 

Fair enough re the 22 attempts against Burnley but show me one convincing performance this season outside of the Newcastle one and the second half against a poss poor Huddersfield side?

[OhYesNdidi]

11 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

But isn't that half the issue, when did we last have any consistency in our line-up?

 

Puel doesn't seem to have found a team he likes and it is showing in our play as the chemistry is terrible. Maddison is played out of position, he needs to be our outlet going forward.

 

Fair enough re the 22 attempts against Burnley but show me one convincing performance this season outside of the Newcastle one and the second half against a poss poor Huddersfield side?

‘Show me a convincing performance this season, apart from the convincing ones’. Bar the top 6 and maybe Everton all the other games between two teams are battles and could go either way. I don’t think puel trusts any of our attacking options and that’s why he keeps changing them. 

[fuchsntf]

59 minutes ago, Gillies Apprentice said:

I think too much reliance has been put on Maddison being the fulcrum of our three attacking midfielders , such that when he's been injured/gone off the boil/been suspended , we haven't been able to replace him effectively. His two yellows against Brighton were totally out of character and , my guess is , were borne out of frustration .

Whilst the stellar rise that his best mate Chilwell has achieved in recent months will ,undoubtedly, have delighted him ,the stark contrast in his fortunes over the same period must be a cause of huge frustration.The comedown from his first England call up to his embarrassing dismissal at Brighton has been massive and it will be a real test of Puel's man management to get his head right for Saturday . 

If we get a fit , sensibly motivated and back to form Maddison between now and Christmas our creativity and results will improve significantly ,if not it will be a pretty bleak outlook .

Whilst I'm by no means a Puel hater , I think it is a misjudgement to rely so heavily on a 22 year old , in his first season in the Premier League and , so far ,not be flexible enough to change our formation when he's not available or playing well.      

 

not ment with bad intentions but....

That don't forget is your perspective..not fact!!

With Mendy and Ndidi,Iborra-Silva.  one could believe Maddison was the young quality Link  the would mean getting the next fitting piece of the midfield

Jigsaw,no manager would think or plan,that from those former mentioned,would be the weaker links!!!! Though Mendy is slowly proving he is finding

his PL feet,not one of them has become a central cornerstone,to our automatic 1st choicers...

It can't be expected that Maddison was suddenly going to own the midfield,all by his lonesome!!

 

Many fans getting high n mighty,about our failings in the recruitment side of the club,and to be honest,since the title year,we have had quite an high %

Of mis-hits.!!,but it's easy to be wise afterwards...blah blah!!

Those mis-hits have,with aging legends ,and from above,the  sympathetic loyalties has not put us into trouble as such,

but as left us with a too weak a midfield,and down on a 2nd top or even decent striker...!!

That is not Puel s fault...!!

 

 

[lgfualol]

2 hours ago, Fox 4 Life said:

But did we win, or score? We still had 5 usual starters and a much stronger team than Southampton did. Puel has made Vardy completely ineffective with possession football as we have nobody that can play a killer through ball. It is infuriating to watch.

Vardy makes himself ineffective by standing like a statue and only being able to play one way, even when teams park the bus.

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Fox 4 Life said:

But did we win, or score? We still had 5 usual starters and a much stronger team than Southampton did. Puel has made Vardy completely ineffective with possession football as we have nobody that can play a killer through ball. It is infuriating to watch.

Which is why he's got 19 goals in 39 league games under Puel? Made him completely ineffective yet still a 1 in 2 strike rate... Not to mention he's missed 3 or 4 chances you'd expect him to put away already this season.

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, mod hero said:

It’s these sort of posts that are getting on my nerves.

 

None of us are expecting top 5. This is a sport that is supposed to be entertaining. We want something to get us up off our seat and get us excitited.

 

even getting to by line and pulling the ball back for someone to shoot would infinitely better than what we are being served up.

 

This style is so dull and uninspiring and has been for a year now.

 

im dreading the Spurs game. And Watford for that matter.

 

There is no progress.

I agree with some of this but not all. No-one in their right minds is expecting us to go onto fame and glory again. Posts of this nature are becoming really boring.

Conversely, I DO think we’ve seen progress under Puel, or more correctly we are a ‘work in progress’. 

Puel knows how he wants us to set up and play and to get this right is going to take time. We couldn’t stay a ‘soak up pressure and hit on the counter’ type side. We were always going to lose players who enabled this to happen. Notably Kante and Mahrez. 

So change was always going to be imminent.

This can look dull because so far it’s not honed. The players are still learning and we’ve lost our two best players. The critics of Mahrez for instance are wacky. Backed up by Kante he fed Vardy in with pinpoint accuracy time and time and time again. Wilf and Mendy are no Kante. And Gray is no Mahrez. So our players are simply not as good as they were.

I’m still torn as I have no idea whether the Puel project is going to work. But I still think it’s too soon to decide. We are in a time of evolution, not revolution and I believe it only fair to wait and see.

I give Puel another transfer window and to the end of this season and then I’ll make my mind up whether we are seeing progress, or not.

Edited 29 November 2018 by Col city fan

[mazarron fox]

Why don’t we name all the threads Puel in or out and maybe one shake it all about because they all end up as that?

just saying 

[l444ry]

29 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Vardy makes himself ineffective by standing like a statue and only being able to play one way, even when teams park the bus.

Vardy is one of the most honest *runners* in football. If he stands like a statue it's probably because that's what he's being asked to do, stay central and occupy the centre halves leaving our so-called wide players room to play in. That's my theory anyway. 

[Fox92]

26 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Vardy is one of the most honest *runners* in football. If he stands like a statue it's probably because that's what he's being asked to do, stay central and occupy the centre halves leaving our so-called wide players room to play in. That's my theory anyway. 

All of the players stand like statues, especially the forwards. We lack movement its unbelievable.

[l444ry]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

All of the players stand like statues, especially the forwards. We lack movement its unbelievable.

Didn't stand like statues against Arsenal first half or Brighton second half. Can't accept they're any worse than other teams have. Maybe Puel baffles them with science.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, l444ry said:

Didn't stand like statues against Arsenal first half or Brighton second half. Can't accept they're any worse than other teams have. Maybe Puel baffles them with science.

Yep, this is what is so frustrating. Iheanacho looks good from the bench so will start the next game and look shit.

[mod hero]

48 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I agree with some of this but not all. No-one in their right minds is expecting us to go onto fame and glory again. Posts of this nature are becoming really boring.

Conversely, I DO think we’ve seen progress under Puel, or more correctly we are a ‘work in progress’. 

Puel knows how he wants us to set up and play and to get this right is going to take time. We couldn’t stay a ‘soak up pressure and hit on the counter’ type side. We were always going to lose players who enabled this to happen. Notably Kante and Mahrez. 

So change was always going to be imminent.

This can look dull because so far it’s not honed. The players are still learning and we’ve lost our two best players. The critics of Mahrez for instance are wacky. Backed up by Kante he fed Vardy in with pinpoint accuracy time and time and time again. Wilf and Mendy are no Kante. And Gray is no Mahrez. So our players are simply not as good as they were.

I’m still torn as I have no idea whether the Puel project is going to work. But I still think it’s too soon to decide. We are in a time of evolution, not revolution and I believe it only fair to wait and see.

I give Puel another transfer window and to the end of this season and then I’ll make my mind up whether we are seeing progress, or not.

Decent post, I know what you are saying.

 

Puel I think is being stubborn, Maybe he could try using tactics and a formation that suits what he has to work with.

 

 Work in progress perhaps, definitely not progress imo. 

 

He’s trying to implement his ideas but what exactly is his style of play? Apart from keep the ball what is it he’s trying to instil in us? All I see is getting the ball out wide after a slow build up and slinging a cross into no one.

 

if you wanted to play with wingers then he should’ve properly replaced Mahrez. It’s massively naieve to expect Gray to fill the void. Can’t even remember his last assist?

 

we get Riccardo in to help then drop him for Amartey who I believe is an extremely limited footballer.

 

Ghazzel is poor out wide but still early days.

[mod hero]

4 hours ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Looking at the next 6, I genuinely think we will get a maximum of 5 points, if that.

 

Watford (H) 1

Fulham (A) 1/3

Spurs (H) 0

Palace (A) 0/1

Chelsea (A) 0

Man City (H) 0

I have to agree, I was looking at the fixtures trying to figure out where our points are coming from.

 

Puel needs 4-6 points from the next 2 because there is no chance we will get anything from the next 4

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

12 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Decent post, I know what you are saying.

 

Puel I think is being stubborn, Maybe he could try using tactics and a formation that suits what he has to work with.

 

 Work in progress perhaps, definitely not progress imo. 

 

He’s trying to implement his ideas but what exactly is his style of play? Apart from keep the ball what is it he’s trying to instil in us? All I see is getting the ball out wide after a slow build up and slinging a cross into no one.

 

if you wanted to play with wingers then he should’ve properly replaced Mahrez. It’s massively naieve to expect Gray to fill the void. Can’t even remember his last assist?

 

we get Riccardo in to help then drop him for Amartey who I believe is an extremely limited footballer.

 

Ghazzel is poor out wide but still early days.

Puel's comments about Gray and Diabate recently suggest he is trying to train them to be more direct in the final third, "penetration" is what he wants. It will take time to build a team of young players doing this but in the long run....

Short term we might play as you describe often but that is not what Puel wants

 

When you say other tactics Puel should use that suits out players, what do you want exactly? Puel might be stubborn in his ways but he's getting the required results, so its not really stubbornness as of yet

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I agree with some of this but not all. No-one in their right minds is expecting us to go onto fame and glory again. Posts of this nature are becoming really boring.

Conversely, I DO think we’ve seen progress under Puel, or more correctly we are a ‘work in progress’. 

Puel knows how he wants us to set up and play and to get this right is going to take time. We couldn’t stay a ‘soak up pressure and hit on the counter’ type side. We were always going to lose players who enabled this to happen. Notably Kante and Mahrez. 

So change was always going to be imminent.

This can look dull because so far it’s not honed. The players are still learning and we’ve lost our two best players. The critics of Mahrez for instance are wacky. Backed up by Kante he fed Vardy in with pinpoint accuracy time and time and time again. Wilf and Mendy are no Kante. And Gray is no Mahrez. So our players are simply not as good as they were.

I’m still torn as I have no idea whether the Puel project is going to work. But I still think it’s too soon to decide. We are in a time of evolution, not revolution and I believe it only fair to wait and see.

I give Puel another transfer window and to the end of this season and then I’ll make my mind up whether we are seeing progress, or not.

this is basically the route I decided to take since Puel came in...I expect,but not demand over this season,progress in team developement,and

gradual upward spiral on performances of team,and consistency in individuals.

 

The biggest mistake many posters are making,are trying to make comparisons,and try and  match players against each other....

Every new,and long serving players,have to make it in their own right...Gray doesn't want to be a Mahrez replacement,We are not going to find

an another Kante. Our future play will depend on other attributes and styles....I

 

When,the good periods of Gillies, Bloomfield,O'Neil.we're over ..I didn't look for..Gibson,Keyworth,King,Banks,Shilton,Weller,Wortho,Glover,Lennon,or Elliot,

replacements,but always and  hopefully  new generations who want to make their own history!!I

Too many posters take 2 games,then start slagging off every single player in the squad...their c right to opinions,then just being a buffoon(not you in mind)

We have been a poor even pathetic forum,for new managers,every one grabbing at their right to opinion,while jumping in with conciet and negative vibes

[Fox 4 Life]

2 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said:

‘Show me a convincing performance this season, apart from the convincing ones’. Bar the top 6 and maybe Everton all the other games between two teams are battles and could go either way. I don’t think puel trusts any of our attacking options and that’s why he keeps changing them. 

Haha we have played 13 games and 1.5 have been convincing and you're using that as an argument?! It shows how much confidence you have in the team under Puel if you automatically discount the top 6 and Everton and say the others are 50/50.

Edited 29 November 2018 by Fox 4 Life

[mod hero]

36 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Puel's comments about Gray and Diabate recently suggest he is trying to train them to be more direct in the final third, "penetration" is what he wants. It will take time to build a team of young players doing this but in the long run....

Short term we might play as you describe often but that is not what Puel wants

 

When you say other tactics Puel should use that suits out players, what do you want exactly? Puel might be stubborn in his ways but he's getting the required results, so its not really stubbornness as of yet

I didn’t say should use, I said could use.

 

We played 352 in the 1st half against Arsenal and created more in the opening 25 mins than we have in the last 3 games put together. We did capitulate late after half time mind.

 

You say “ short term we may play how you’ve described “

 

Tell me how long is short term? If you class nearly his whole time here (over a year) as short term then how long have I got to watch this for? 

 

Im bored

 

 

 

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, mod hero said:

I didn’t say should use, I said could use.

 

We played 352 in the 1st half against Arsenal and created more in the opening 25 mins than we have in the last 3 games put together. We did capitulate late after half time mind.

 

You say “ short term we may play how you’ve described “

 

Tell me how long is short term? If you class nearly his whole time here (over a year) as short term then how long have I got to watch this for? 

 

Im bored

 

 

 

 

Short term we often play that way, not all the time

 

Dont know really, but whilst i still the players believing they can get results and playing for each other and the manager i can stand the boring bits tbh

 

Guardiola had teething issues for his first year with a pretty much unlimited budget. Puel has only been here a year and only just got rid of Hamer! 

 

At least I think let him build his boring project for at least this season, then one of their fancy dan managers can come in and make us a pacey attacking force for a good few months