Dahnsouff Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 With so many people talking about sacking/replacing Puel, it is then inevitably followed by the listed replacements as the same old names from the past. Pearson O’Neil The title win seems to have trapped people in being stuck in what constitutes good success/performance and a very rigid answer to current perceived performance/progress (back to counter attack, more pashun, etc. There is nothing wrong with these attributes, but it would not work now. The answer may or may not be Puel, but reeling out the old names based on what went before is not progress, it’s history and nostalgia. More future, less history, but what the hell do I know...
Nicolo Barella Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Pearson, Shakey, Walsh back, let's get relegated, buy some non-league striker and some French unknowns, we're gonner win the leaaaague
urban.spaceman Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 38 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: With so many people talking about sacking/replacing Puel, it is then inevitably followed by the listed replacements as the same old names from the past. Pearson O’Neil The title win seems to have trapped people in being stuck in what constitutes good success/performance and a very rigid answer to current perceived performance/progress (back to counter attack, more pashun, etc. There is nothing wrong with these attributes, but it would not work now. The answer may or may not be Puel, but reeling out the old names based on what went before is not progress, it’s history and nostalgia. More future, less history, but what the hell do I know... MON’s name has been thrown into the hat when we’ve sacked a manager for about the last 18 years now. Mostly by me for the first 10 years. Pearson was an excellent appointment both times - a clear vision for progress in the right way, with owners who had the patience and trust to let him achieve over the long term. Right now we have a long term strategy off the pitch to develop us into one of the top teams in Europe. Personally I can’t see this happening with either manager. Whether Puel is able to achieve this either is debatable; personally I believe it is if you’re more concerned on long term progress and not short term malaise. Some times we need to look forward, not back.
Matt Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 I wish people would stop telling me because of title win I shouldn't have certain opinion or that it's spoilt us as a fanbase, blah, blah, blah. Very much like in the "Are our results so predictable we are boring" thread people at the weekend took umbridge because someone made the comment "We all know" and replys were that they were sick of being told what "we" all know, similar to I am with people constantly blaming our title win. I and I think i'm right in saying many of the others who aren't happy at the moment very rarely mention our league win as a measure of our expectations, it's gone, it'll be remembered fondly but we move on. The only people mentioning it are ironically those who claim is what's others expect now. League win or not i'd be unhappy and pissed out with our current situation and how we a playing, it's dire.
Dahnsouff Posted 17 December 2018 Author Posted 17 December 2018 The irony of your post is not lost on me...but seriously, this is a difficult situation (not Puel), the "why are here and where are we going" one Patience is required regardless whoever is in the manager, guess some expect more progress sooner, or my standards are too low!
foxinsocks Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 To suceed then every hire has to have the potential to take us to the top 7. Every player must be able to play at or get to that level. And the manager must be capable of that performance.
TrentFox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Have absolutely no desire to see Puel go. Have stated many times when he was being slated at end of last season that at some point we have to commit to a manager, as we did with Pearson, and genuinely give them time and space. However, if Top gets a twitchy finger, in my head it is not inconceivable that NFP might be asked to hold the reins for the interim period. Asssuming we aren’t on the brink of a spectacular implosion, he would be a safe pair of hands whilst we source the long term solution and would probably be welcomed by most of the playing staff.
Nick Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 7 minutes ago, TrentFox said: Have absolutely no desire to see Puel go. Have stated many times when he was being slated at end of last season that at some point we have to commit to a manager, as we did with Pearson, and genuinely give them time and space. However, if Top gets a twitchy finger, in my head it is not inconceivable that NFP might be asked to hold the reins for the interim period. Asssuming we aren’t on the brink of a spectacular implosion, he would be a safe pair of hands whilst we source the long term solution and would probably be welcomed by most of the playing staff. Big Nige till the end of the season... God, even I might be prepared to entertain that and I’m not a fan of Nige returning!
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 36 minutes ago, TrentFox said: Have absolutely no desire to see Puel go. Have stated many times when he was being slated at end of last season that at some point we have to commit to a manager, as we did with Pearson, and genuinely give them time and space. However, if Top gets a twitchy finger, in my head it is not inconceivable that NFP might be asked to hold the reins for the interim period. Asssuming we aren’t on the brink of a spectacular implosion, he would be a safe pair of hands whilst we source the long term solution and would probably be welcomed by most of the playing staff. This would make it a bad idea imo Keep hearing about players whining about Puel Puel-outters criticise him for apparently having training sessions and tactics the players dont like Then they also say we need to bring in someone who can instill discipline The only way to instill discipline is to back the manager over moaning players (if there is any truth to players being unhappy with Puel) Getting in the old mate of the squad members on the cusp of fading out would be counter-productive.
UniFox21 Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Pearson isn't coming back. The idea of him being appointed in the interim is ludicrous. He's in charge at OHL, telling him to drop them to manage us shows OHL exactly where the owners priorities are.
sylofox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 40 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Big Nige till the end of the season... Do people really think this is an option. I know the OHL are not overly happy but they will feel like they've been pimped out. Not only that it's a short term solve to create another one for Top in Belgium. Then still have one here in the summer. Also shows how fickle our fans are. January 2015 80% on here wanted him out and didn't trust him to save us. Then after 9 games he's a hero and because of him we won the prem. Seems Claudio had nothing to do with it. Not having a go at you Swan but the over reaction on here is a joke.
Countryfox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: Big Nige till the end of the season... God, even I might be prepared to entertain that and I’m not a fan of Nige returning! Didn't Nige come back cus of the influence of ONE man ... not sure how things may stand now.
Tom12345 Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Please not Martin O’Neill. He has blindspots and stubbornness just like Puel and we will all get frustrated by him after about a year or 18 months in.
Countryfox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Get Fergie in as 'Motivational coach' after he's finished playing the part of Rudolph over Christmas ... he'll give em something to think about !!
LCFC hub Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Whilst I have wanted Puel to succeed because I like his promotion of younger players and a more possession based style. It just isn't working. He isn't able to adapt his methods to get the best out of the squad of players we have. As any good manager should be able to. End of last season I thought he would go, but it wasn't going to happen. I then thought maybe with some players suited to his style we would progress. We haven't. It's his way, or no way. I don't want us to go backwards again. I don't want a Pearson or an O'Neil. We need to move on. It's like looking back at an ex you had a good time with but forget all the negatives and why you aren't in that relationship anymore. All I want is a progressive manager suited to possession football, with the ability to change his style when needed. Someone that can actually motivate his players. Right now we aren't getting any of that.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 People surprised that a switch to a possession based style from a team that previously couldnt hold the ball for s*** is taking a bit of time with an imbalanced squad I dont understand this impatience, must be a millenials thing
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Leicester -folk big problems.......Puel-out & Brexit!! Oh and Santa!!! Scaremongers,and untruths on both sides of the arguments.....
AyewJoking Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 1 hour ago, UniFox21 said: Pearson isn't coming back. The idea of him being appointed in the interim is ludicrous. He's in charge at OHL, telling him to drop them to manage us shows OHL exactly where the owners priorities are. You mean we arent prioritised over OHL???
Leicester_Loyal Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Howe, Wagner or Benitez. I have no idea if any of them would come here. MON or Pearson is a backwards step.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Can't see Pearson coming back. Maybe if we were a mid table Championship side needing to rebuild over a couple of years. He's not what we need right now. Although he'd get a fair whack of support in the dressing room, which would be lifted for sure. The players and fans do need a lift one way or another.
Brainy Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Just think many of us can't take to Puel as a manager. I can't relate to him. Then add the boring football and shocking inconsistency with results/team selection. The style of football and inconsistency would be a lot easier to take if we had a manager like Klopp or even Ranieri, somebody that doesnt scream boring like Puel. Probably not a fair way of looking at it but yeah. Said it straight from the start that Puel (especially since nobody was too keen on him in the first place) was always gonna be turned on very quickly if things weren't going well.
Corky Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 2 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Can't see Pearson coming back. Maybe if we were a mid table Championship side needing to rebuild over a couple of years. He's not what we need right now. Although he'd get a fair whack of support in the dressing room, which would be lifted for sure. The players and fans do need a lift one way or another. What do the players actually want? They'd had enough of Ranieri and he left after a dreadful run. It seems like they've had enough of Puel and we wait to see if the tenure-ending run is the same as Ranieri's. They liked Shakespeare which made the rotten performances against teams like Huddersfield, Bournemouth and West Brom even worse. Is it only Pearson they'll take beyond a certain time?
KingsX Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 4 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Leicester -folk big problems.......Puel-out & Brexit!! Oh and Santa!!! Scaremongers,and untruths on both sides of the arguments..... On the contrary. This thread is the type of thoughtful discussion that keeps me coming back even in the midst of our collective post-Palace moan. No doubt due to the quality of the OP. 1 hour ago, Walkers said: Just think many of us can't take to Puel as a manager. I can't relate to him. Then add the boring football and shocking inconsistency with results/team selection. The style of football and inconsistency would be a lot easier to take if we had a manager like Klopp or even Ranieri, somebody that doesnt scream boring like Puel. Probably not a fair way of looking at it but yeah. Said it straight from the start that Puel (especially since nobody was too keen on him in the first place) was always gonna be turned on very quickly if things weren't going well. OTOH. This encapsulates my problem with too many Puel-outers, even as I gradually come to agree he doesn't look like the long term solution. I. do. not. care. how much you relate to him. I care how the players relate to, and perform for him. You come straight out and say you were against him from the start. So if you are judging from an initial bias, and not making an argument based on the football, I should consider your opinion? There are lots of managers who don't "scream boring" who are much worse than Puel, and I do NOT want any of them. Sorry to pick you out, you are a decent poster, you just came into my sights with the wrong post at the wrong time.
Matt Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 30 minutes ago, Corky said: What do the players actually want? They'd had enough of Ranieri and he left after a dreadful run. It seems like they've had enough of Puel and we wait to see if the tenure-ending run is the same as Ranieri's. They liked Shakespeare which made the rotten performances against teams like Huddersfield, Bournemouth and West Brom even worse. Is it only Pearson they'll take beyond a certain time? Whilst I don't agree with player power or them being picky I can sympathise and understand them to some extent. Ranieri - Changed nothing in his first season, so we're led to believe by his own admission, second season changed to much, too quickly, got rid of key staff, forced through players that didn't fit, rocked the boat, which all led to a dreadful run as you say. Shakespeare - It was just poor unfortunately, he's not a manager and set up not to lose games rather than win them. Puel - Like Ranieri I think he's trying to change too much, not as quickly as Ranieri tried though. If reports are to be believed training is slow and ponderous, with high intensity (ooops, can I mention that word) they day before the game which players aren't taking well too and it seems to be very much Puel's way, accusation of him being stubborn and arrogrant whilst not willing to listen to players - Now I don't expect him to bow down to players demands, far from it, that would only mean player power won, again if you believe reports that was a key part of Pearson's success and why the players were so tight and took to him so well, he listened and let them have a say. Add to that these players simply can't play in this style, whilst they are all talented, very talented, not in this way, it must be frustrating, as i've said whilst I understand Puel trying to implement time, like us fans being told to be patient, he needs to be patient with the transition, in the meantime he needs to get the best out of what he's got - he's not. As you've just said in "Time for Puel to go" thread, "If anything, too many draws have been his biggest problem, both in recent times and at home throughout 2018" I don't think in terms of what he's getting out the team he's too much different to what Shakespeare did. Shakespeare had us in a bad place, i'm not sticking up for him, he wasn't a manager, simple, it was only going to end one way, but because of the tough start we had last season compounded it, bear in mind that tough start and we're four points worse off and four places worse off compared to this time last season - Just to clarify, i'm just stating the fact there and using the comparison between last season/this because i've said for me the league position is fine that isn't under scrutiny, it's the way we're playing.
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