Bevan Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 I know this has been discussed in other threads but I don’t understand why our board never seem to look abroad for young up and coming managers. Do they even have the knowledge to think to look there? There are a lot of talented young coaches around Europe and I feel like sometimes we should take a risk and take a punt on one.
Crispin LA Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 Our board just seems to go with the flow, you got the newspapers, tv, radio and social media banging on about the usual suspects. Are board will just go with the betting favourite and that seems to be Brendon. I agree with you, there are quite afew up and coming young managers out there, but there for the Premier leagues top 6 clubs!
demon_dog Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 Puel is from France, is that not abroad? Some good he turned out to be!
Rusko187 Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 I don't think it's as straight forward as that, already we know scouting (when done right) considers so much. Might be they originally target someone with an acceptable level of English (or ability to quickly learn). I'm sure we don't disregard everyone from World football but I think it's proven on a number of occasions that some of these managers can be incredible, I like the sound of the Leverkusen manager but he's only just really gone in there.
TiffToff88 Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 12 minutes ago, Bevan said: I know this has been discussed in other threads but I don’t understand why our board never seem to look abroad for young up and coming managers. Do they even have the knowledge to think to look there? There are a lot of talented young coaches around Europe and I feel like sometimes we should take a risk and take a punt on one. What an odd thing to say when Puel and Ranieri are both foreign. I realise they're not young, but the board certainly do look overseas if they think there are options out there
Finnegan Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 I don't think we do much by way of scouting when it comes to new managers, we don't seem to know what to look for or where to look. We go for obvious choices, former managers, the first person to put their hand up. We're never likely to do a Southampton and pull a Poch out of nowhere although maybe us getting Puel was at least an acknowledgement that there's some merit in their approach. Its a shame, there's quite a few promising young managers floating around at Europa League level in Europe's big and middling leagues waiting for that step up to a well resourced Premier league club. We're never going to recruit someone from the top drawer but there's plenty of fresh ideas out there that aren't Rodgers, Benitez or whoever.
Bevan Posted 25 February 2019 Author Posted 25 February 2019 9 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I don't think we do much by way of scouting when it comes to new managers, we don't seem to know what to look for or where to look. We go for obvious choices, former managers, the first person to put their hand up. We're never likely to do a Southampton and pull a Poch out of nowhere although maybe us getting Puel was at least an acknowledgement that there's some merit in their approach. Its a shame, there's quite a few promising young managers floating around at Europa League level in Europe's big and middling leagues waiting for that step up to a well resourced Premier league club. We're never going to recruit someone from the top drawer but there's plenty of fresh ideas out there that aren't Rodgers, Benitez or whoever. You’ve hit the nail on the head there. That’s exactly what I mean. I just don’t think we have the appropriate football savvy or football knowledgeable people at boardroom level to find these managers.
murphy Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 19 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said: What an odd thing to say when Puel and Ranieri are both foreign. I realise they're not young, but the board certainly do look overseas if they think there are options out there I can't speak for the OP but I imagine he means managers from foreign leagues. Ranieri and Puel had both managed in the Premier League.
murphy Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 1 minute ago, Bevan said: You’ve hit the nail on the head there. That’s exactly what I mean. I just don’t think we have the appropriate football savvy or football knowledgeable people at boardroom level to find these managers. Well Puel's job has been on a knife-edge for about a year if we believe what we read. In that case the club has had ample opportunity to research suitable candidates. You would think they'd have a list as long as your arm... ..Mind you, I thought the same thing when Mahrez left.
Mehrez Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 Villas-Boas, Fonseca and Marco Rose all should be on our shortlist
Finnaldo Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 17 minutes ago, Stevosevic said: Puel was a pretty surprising choice Puel had a good reputation in France and had just finished at Southampton. It was a surprising choice but he wasn't obscure. The one puzzling element of the Thai Era is that the management choices have always been extremely safe or believed to be reliable: Sousa, Sven, Pearson part 2, Ranieri, Shakespeare, Appleton, Puel. Sousa was the exciting and exotic name at the time, and Sven was the marquee managerial appointment. They clearly burnt their hand with those appointments since then they brought in the previous manager, a former Chelsea manager towards the end of his career, the previous assistant manager, their previous assistant manager, and a French manager who had a couple of average but solid seasons at Southampton. We've been 7 years and many managers without an up and coming or real marquee manager and unless Top uses the events of this season as a clean slate and to try once again with the foreign or even domestic up and comers, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything particularly exciting.
Fox92 Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: I don't think we do much by way of scouting when it comes to new managers, we don't seem to know what to look for or where to look. We go for obvious choices, former managers, the first person to put their hand up. We're never likely to do a Southampton and pull a Poch out of nowhere although maybe us getting Puel was at least an acknowledgement that there's some merit in their approach. Its a shame, there's quite a few promising young managers floating around at Europa League level in Europe's big and middling leagues waiting for that step up to a well resourced Premier league club. We're never going to recruit someone from the top drawer but there's plenty of fresh ideas out there that aren't Rodgers, Benitez or whoever. Exactly. When I was referring to "managers from abroad" and I was quoted on "like who" I was referring to pulling someone out like Southampton did with Pochettino and Koeman (though I'd say the latter was more established). I can't see us going for someone that's never managed in the UK before and like you say there are plenty more managers than the standard.
dylanlegend Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 1 hour ago, Crispin LA said: Our board just seems to go with the flow, you got the newspapers, tv, radio and social media banging on about the usual suspects. Are board will just go with the betting favourite and that seems to be Brendon. I agree with you, there are quite afew up and coming young managers out there, but there for the Premier leagues top 6 clubs! This is the opposite of the truth. When have the board ever appointed a favourite for the job? Ranieri came out of nowhere and so did Puel
mozartfox Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 2 hours ago, TiffToff88 said: What an odd thing to say when Puel and Ranieri are both foreign. I realise they're not young, but the board certainly do look overseas if they think there are options out there And MON, Jock Wallace, Mark Maghee, Sven, Frank McClintock. Plus Hollowhead and Martin Allen came from other planets.
HighPeakFox Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 WHY ISN'T EVERYTHING EASY AND STRAIGHTFORWARD LIKE ON COMPUTER GAMES? Sorry, could have written this in a number of threads.
gerrytaggart Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 For all we know the club are shortlisting young up and coming managers from overseas. We'll just have to wait and see.
Dan Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 5 hours ago, Mehrez said: Villas-Boas, Fonseca and Marco Rose all should be on our shortlist Marco Rose is a cracking shout. Phillip Cocu is my left field shout.
Fox92 Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said: Marco Rose is a cracking shout. Phillip Cocu is my left field shout. Cocu is a decent shout, I've always liked the idea of Michael Laudrup too.
Ric Flair Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 3 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: Marco Rose is a cracking shout. Phillip Cocu is my left field shout. Cocu ticks the box for bringing through young players, particularly from the academy. It was at the forefront of his focus at PSV. He was dire at Fenerbache recently though and like de Boer, the Dutch league both for players and managers doesnt seem to bode well right now. Van Bronckhurst is another with a great progressive record, as is Hen Tag at Ajax but for some reason they struggle over here.
Langston Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 5 hours ago, Finnaldo said: Puel had a good reputation in France and had just finished at Southampton. It was a surprising choice but he wasn't obscure. The one puzzling element of the Thai Era is that the management choices have always been extremely safe or believed to be reliable: Sousa, Sven, Pearson part 2, Ranieri, Shakespeare, Appleton, Puel. Sousa was the exciting and exotic name at the time, and Sven was the marquee managerial appointment. They clearly burnt their hand with those appointments since then they brought in the previous manager, a former Chelsea manager towards the end of his career, the previous assistant manager, their previous assistant manager, and a French manager who had a couple of average but solid seasons at Southampton. We've been 7 years and many managers without an up and coming or real marquee manager and unless Top uses the events of this season as a clean slate and to try once again with the foreign or even domestic up and comers, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything particularly exciting. It's a bit unfair to label Appleton a "safe managerial appointment" given he was caretaker by default for a couple of games.
SheppyFox Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 6 hours ago, Mehrez said: Villas-Boas, Fonseca and Marco Rose all should be on our shortlist AVB is a good shout
Dan Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 24 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Cocu ticks the box for bringing through young players, particularly from the academy. It was at the forefront of his focus at PSV. He was dire at Fenerbache recently though and like de Boer, the Dutch league both for players and managers doesnt seem to bode well right now. Van Bronckhurst is another with a great progressive record, as is Hen Tag at Ajax but for some reason they struggle over here. Fenerbahce are a basket case of a club to be fair.
Fox In The Box 90 Posted 25 February 2019 Posted 25 February 2019 I dont post here but i said on forum tonight i think Van Bronckhorst would be a good shout. 1) proven club record at feyenoord with league and cup wins against the odds 2) promotes youth and has improved several quality youngsters; bart niewkoop, ridegciano haps tonny vilhenna etc 3) distinguished club and international career as a player now brining it into management 4) out of contract and available in summer 5) plays a good brand of football
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