Babylon Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 17 hours ago, StriderHiryu said: Yep the irony is that it’s not the young players making mistakes. Morgan, Kasper, Evans and Maguire all been culpable numerous times this season. That’s just how it goes sometimes. This season is now about experimentation and working out who comes and goes in the summer. Well they are making mistakes, how many chances Barnes missed, shit Chilwell crosses, poor N'didi passes, Maddison taking too many touches. They are all making mistakes. Defensive mistakes look worse as you end up conceding, but mistakes are mistakes. My worry is they've all become so convinced Puel was the only issue, there is no looking at themselves and their own failings each week.
dmayne7 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 23 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: I didn’t see that tbh, he was good at breaking up play but offered little on the ball and I just don’t think he has the range of passing and vision required at this level yet to be a starter. Well it wasn't a free flowing game so constantly winning the ball back is a pretty good sign. Even when he lost the ball he immediately got it back. His passing was on point today; picked the right pass most of the time. There was one in the second half where he put it straight out of play but it was actually a really good spot and if Chilwell had made the run, would have got us in behind.
cruzFOX Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 The young ones will do just fine under Brendan. It's sorting out the the heads of the seniors that needs prioritizing. I like Kasper as much as the next guy for all he's done and yes he does make great saves from time to time. However, if he really thinks of himself as a leader (as he should based on achievements and experience) I hope he stood up in the dressing room today and whole heartedly apologized for his calamity at the end. His ball destribution has been a massive weakness to his game. Its so bad and so obvious that after all this time I wonder if its simply something he can't shake so we're stuck with it. However, when it leads to blowing a game we could have walked away from with a point and talking points on areas to improve for the whole team we are stuck with having to deal with this crap. Great opportunity for BR to unleash the hairdryer on Kasper and take no prisoners. Set an example of kasper. if he's man enough he can take it. There are certain things that are simply not acceptable, lack of clear thinking and game management from senior pros is one of them! Our season so far is chock full of them. We have to see a massive improvement in these areas next game - BR doesn't need to watch replays it should be very obvious to him. Check it and fix it quick BR. We are running out of games this season to take anything positive out of and build on.
StriderHiryu Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 1 minute ago, Babylon said: Well they are making mistakes, how many chances Barnes missed, shit Chilwell crosses, poor N'didi passes, Maddison taking too many touches. They are all making mistakes. Defensive mistakes look worse as you end up conceding, but mistakes are mistakes. My worry is they've all become so convinced Puel was the only issues their is no looking at themselves and their own failings each week. Well that’s true but they aren’t making suicidal mistakes. But for sure their touch / passing / decision making in the final third is inconsistent and often dire. But these players also have many positive moments going for them too.
foxes21 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 Would Ward do any worse than Schmeichel? Would Pascanu and Soyuncu do any worse than Morgan, Evans and Maguire? Would Choudhury do any worse than Ndidi? Would Ndukwu do any worse than Ghezzal ? Would Muskwe do any worse than Iheanacho?
foxes21 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 9 minutes ago, Babylon said: Well they are making mistakes, how many chances Barnes missed, shit Chilwell crosses, poor N'didi passes, Maddison taking too many touches. They are all making mistakes. Defensive mistakes look worse as you end up conceding, but mistakes are mistakes. My worry is they've all become so convinced Puel was the only issues there is no looking at themselves and their own failings each week. Jesus when you put it like that we really do make mistakes all over the pitch don’t we. Not good Which of our players are better than our current position of midtable? Pereira, Tielemans, Vardy?
Jattdogg Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 Taking a dump right now and could swear this is some serious birthing pains. Gotta lay off the kfc.
Babylon Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 7 minutes ago, foxes21 said: Jesus when you put it like that we really do make mistakes all over the pitch don’t we. Not good Which of our players are better than our current position of midtable? Pereira, Tielemans, Vardy? Most of them are potentially, we're bedding in so many young lads that you expect them to make mistakes. Shit like that from Kasper today infuriates me, because it happens week in week out with him and there is zero learning. Kicking the ball out in front of the midfield causes massive issues.
foxes21 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 1 minute ago, Babylon said: Most of them are potentially, we're bedding in so many young lads that you expect them to make mistakes. Shit like that from Kasper today infuriates me, because it happens week in week out with him and there is zero learning. Kicking the ball out in front of the midfield causes massive issues. Would be a massive statement if Rodgers dropped Kasper. Unlikely at this stage of his reign, because it could turn ugly in the dressing room... But it would show who is boss and would arguably be deserved... Ward is a capable keeper who would do well if given the chance.. In my opinion anyway.
Babylon Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 Just now, foxes21 said: Would be a massive statement if Rodgers dropped Kasper. Unlikely at this stage of his reign, because it could turn ugly in the dressing room... But it would show who is boss and would arguably be deserved... Ward is a capable keeper who would do well if given the chance.. In my opinion anyway. Kasper is a good keeper, it's such as basic thing to stop doing though.
TheLittleBigMan Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 No way will he bench Kasper. He has become a part of the family as it were, and his relationship with our owners seems to go beyond that of your usual player status at a club, I think that's the main problem. Personally I'd like to see what Ward can do, and why not with nothing to play for this season? Get him in, if Top will allow it..
Ricey Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 6 hours ago, foxes21 said: Would Ward do any worse than Schmeichel? Would Pascanu and Soyuncu do any worse than Morgan, Evans and Maguire? Would Choudhury do any worse than Ndidi? Would Ndukwu do any worse than Ghezzal ? Would Muskwe do any worse than Iheanacho? Yes to most of them.
UniFox21 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 6 hours ago, StriderHiryu said: Yep the irony is that it’s not the young players making mistakes. Morgan, Kasper, Evans and Maguire all been culpable numerous times this season. That’s just how it goes sometimes. This season is now about experimentation and working out who comes and goes in the summer. Wouldn't stop there either, Vardy has missed some great chances, Mendy is 26 and has made some dire mistakes in several games.
frany104 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 7 hours ago, dmayne7 said: N'didi haha. He was our best player by a mile today. No chance. He wins the ball and then gives the opposition it straight back. For me ndidi is lucky to be starting. Tielemens was motm.
dmayne7 Posted 3 March 2019 Posted 3 March 2019 34 minutes ago, frany104 said: No chance. He wins the ball and then gives the opposition it straight back. For me ndidi is lucky to be starting. Tielemens was motm. Huh? For the majority of the season I'd agree with the above but not today. His passing was good and he had the most urgency out of anyone
Guest MattP Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 We've go far too much expectation on them and we are overrating some quite considerably. Chilwell is the one I see as destined for the top four but aside from that there are no guarantees, Maddison looks a yard too slow at this level a lot of the time, Ndidi is great at breaking up play but painfully average at everything else, Maguire has gone backwards this season and it's too early to tell with Barnes although he's worth persisting with. Gray has had enough chances and just doesn't do enough.
Blanchflower78 Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 5-6 22yr olds and under starting for you in the Prem is a big gamble. That's why it's not common practice. Personally, I would think well need to tinker with that in order to push on. People focussing on the experienced pro mistakes does mask this. There's a good potential here but it needs some balance.
norwichfox Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 "We'll learn from our defeat" Rodgers has picked up Puel's song sheet by mistake....it should read, "we need to cut out the mistakes right now to stay a Premier League side". Kasper was a wreck and his very poor distribution bad decision making cost us the game. Morgan simply should not be in the side, maybe BR feels a need for another older head in the mix...we probably do, but make it someone that can react quickly, and along with Maguire can get back from attacking to carry out their defensive duties. We didn't start playing for the first 10 minutes....did we even cross the halfway line other than kicking off twice? Was Gray too knackered from Tuesday to make BR's starting 11? He made a significant difference when he came on, but as usual, we were chasing the game. We still can't get the ball to Vardy often enough and he's looking to go and fetch the ball from the wings far too often. Pereira and Tielemans are class and I hope that they are not too p155ed off to stay around next year. Barnes was unconvincing (as others, I'm convinced he will make the grade) and Maddison needs to bulk up a bit - he spends nearly as much time on his backside as Shinji does. Goodness knows what the answer is, BR needs to stop the rot in a big Samesque way, I would hate for Top to be relegated after all he's been through.
coolhandfox Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 It going to take BR more that 3 days and one game to iron out all our problems, we have been a very average side for for the last three season. We have a very young side, which will make mistake and bad choices, unfortunately this is being made worse by our experienced pro's like Kasper, Morgan and Evans making mistakes. On the plus side Vardy seems to be finding a bit of form. Unlike Puel, I've got faith in Rogers to improve the players and results.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: We've go far too much expectation on them and we are overrating some quite considerably. Chilwell is the one I see as destined for the top four but aside from that there are no guarantees, Maddison looks a yard too slow at this level a lot of the time, Ndidi is great at breaking up play but painfully average at everything else, Maguire has gone backwards this season and it's too early to tell with Barnes although he's worth persisting with. Gray has had enough chances and just doesn't do enough. I agree with all here except one; Chilwell. He is overrated on here. He’s an athlete end of story. All season he’s been running up and down that wing, getting a lot of the ball but with very little end product. In my opinion the continuing use of him as an attacking outlet is one of our problems. The tactic has been utilised above all other ways and means of trying to furnish chances for the team this season to little or no effect. I cite yesterday as an example of what has been happening all season. Hopefully Ginger can sort this out in terms of tactics that employ the more gifted football players higher up the pitch to create opportunities, rather than a left back who can’t get it past the first defender or is floating high balls into a guy who needs it delivered on the ground.
Nicolo Barella Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 21 hours ago, foxes21 said: Would Ward do any worse than Schmeichel? Would Pascanu and Soyuncu do any worse than Morgan, Evans and Maguire? Would Choudhury do any worse than Ndidi? Would Ndukwu do any worse than Ghezzal ? Would Muskwe do any worse than Iheanacho? Probably, probably, possibly, probably, probably. There
Plastik Man Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 All players will make mistakes, young and old. With a new manager there's no longer Puel to blame. We've mentioned confidence, fitness and tactics amongst others . All are factors but we'd be wise to not forget that ultimately the players need to perform. We hear enough about how talented a group of young players we have, I don't disagree, but it's not good enough for them to just believe it. Continued hard work is the key to keep developing. I think it will happen under BR, but it is essential if we are to improve. Is there a danger they believe the hype and don't push on?
hackneyfox Posted 4 March 2019 Posted 4 March 2019 16 hours ago, TheLittleBigMan said: No way will he bench Kasper. He has become a part of the family as it were, and his relationship with our owners seems to go beyond that of your usual player status at a club, I think that's the main problem. Personally I'd like to see what Ward can do, and why not with nothing to play for this season? Get him in, if Top will allow it.. I'd imagine that BR is a strong character, if he decides a player should be dropped he'll do it even if it upsets some in the squad or the owners. If some of the squad think they are undroppable then that needs to be changed pronto.
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