whoareyaaa Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I see Spurs have apparently made a joint offer for Barnes and Maddison way below our valuation. This time we may have to compromise or risk Spurs or Newcastle walking away and leaving us with two unhappy players and limited funds for our own targets. My estimation is we need £60 million to start a rebuild with decent players . This time last year , we could reasonably have asked for £90 million for the pair but £70 million is more likely now. They ain't doves they don't come as a pair, 70 is 35m each are you having a laugh? Edited 18 June 2023 by whoareyaaa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merchant_Banker Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 1 hour ago, themightyfin said: If that's his level how is he with a club thats in the Championship? You make no Sense. So because Ward played in the prem does that make him Premier level level as well? Your level is your current club surely. Your first two sentences make opposing arguments, Barnes can't be premier level because we are in the championship, but Ward isn't premier level, despite starting in the prem. My view is that Barnes is prem level and will get a transfer to a mid-level prem team and Ward will be lucky to go on a free to the National League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 4 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I see Spurs have apparently made a joint offer for Barnes and Maddison way below our valuation. This time we may have to compromise or risk Spurs or Newcastle walking away and leaving us with two unhappy players and limited funds for our own targets. My estimation is we need £60 million to start a rebuild with decent players . This time last year , we could reasonably have asked for £90 million for the pair but £70 million is more likely now. There are no bids to consider right now. Guess work by the media. Nothing in it at all.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 9 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I see Spurs have apparently made a joint offer for Barnes and Maddison way below our valuation. Nah it was a load of bollocks apparently according to Simon Jordan who knows Daniel Levy. Says that they’re interested but that story had been made up from the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyC74 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: He is not a 50m winger now we are in the Championship I fear And can we afford to fund the necessary rebuild of the first team without selling Barnes. Maybe, but probably not. The worst thing we can do is to wait until late in the window and then sell, leaving little time to replace him. Edited 18 June 2023 by JimmyC74 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 32 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Watford demanded £40m for Sarr? Barnes is better Did they sell him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 28 minutes ago, 4everfox said: 30 million is what you pay for a winger who has performed well enough in the Championship to be worth the gamble. Barnes isn't a gamble, he has proven himself as a Premier League standard player so we should be commanding an appropriate fee considering he still has two years on his contract. If he was into his last year, I'd agree with you. Maybe there are examples of a champ’s winger going north of 30m, but cannot recall it - how much was Bowen I wonder, Sarr didn’t go for the 40m Watford wanted I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 43 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Watford demanded £40m for Sarr? Barnes is better As mentioned above - how is that going for them ? 28 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I see Spurs have apparently made a joint offer for Barnes and Maddison way below our valuation. This time we may have to compromise or risk Spurs or Newcastle walking away and leaving us with two unhappy players and limited funds for our own targets. My estimation is we need £60 million to start a rebuild with decent players . This time last year , we could reasonably have asked for £90 million for the pair but £70 million is more likely now. apparently they didn’t but it seems they are definitely interested in Barnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Did they sell him? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 1 hour ago, An Sionnach said: I see Spurs have apparently made a joint offer for Barnes and Maddison way below our valuation. This time we may have to compromise or risk Spurs or Newcastle walking away and leaving us with two unhappy players and limited funds for our own targets. My estimation is we need £60 million to start a rebuild with decent players . This time last year , we could reasonably have asked for £90 million for the pair but £70 million is more likely now. If it’s a joint offer, couldn’t we sell Barnes for 65 million for Barnes and 5 million for Maddison to reduce the Norwich sell on percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: If it’s a joint offer, couldn’t we sell Barnes for 65 million for Barnes and 5 million for Maddison to reduce the Norwich sell on percentage. Nah the offer would be reviewed for fair value so it wouldn't be allowed, as it would be a clear attempt to avoid that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 We will get somewhere between £80-£100 million for Barnes and Maddison. Obviously the club are hoping for close to £100 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyFOX12 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 2 hours ago, themightyfin said: If that's his level how is he with a club thats in the Championship? You make no Sense. So because Ward played in the prem does that make him Premier level level as well? Your level is your current club surely. Ward has played in a World Cup, Barnes hasn’t - so what does that tell you good sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 18 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Nah the offer would be reviewed for fair value so it wouldn't be allowed, as it would be a clear attempt to avoid that tbf the sell on clause will only be on transfer profits, so we could sell him for £25m pay Norwich a small fee and easily avoid a fair value review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 3 hours ago, Buzzell said: Best finisher at the club last season? Have you just made that up? Of the strikers it's the case. There's edge cases like Papy Mendy and Soyuncu outperforming xG by more because they basically never shoot, but only Barnes and Maddison out performed him and neither of those are central strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merchant_Banker Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 16 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: We will get somewhere between £80-£100 million for Barnes and Maddison. Obviously the club are hoping for close to £100 million. Bottom end of that plus a few million in addons would be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 1 minute ago, Merchant_Banker said: Bottom end of that plus a few million in addons would be my guess Keep dreaming. They have 1 year and 2 years on their contracts and buying teams know we would ideally like to get them off the books. Anything north of 60m would be a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzell Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 3 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Of the strikers it's the case. There's edge cases like Papy Mendy and Soyuncu outperforming xG by more because they basically never shoot, but only Barnes and Maddison out performed him and neither of those are central strikers Fair enough but I don’t follow that. Let’s hope he gets the chance next season to show what he can do then aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merchant_Banker Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) Keep dreaming. They have 1 year and 2 years on their contracts and buying teams know we would ideally like to get them off the books. Anything north of 60m would be a great deal. What is life without dreams! Edited 18 June 2023 by Merchant_Banker Missing quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 Just now, themightyfin said: Keep dreaming. They have 1 year and 2 years on their contracts and buying teams know we would ideally like to get them off the books. Anything north of 60m would be a great deal. Happy to agree to disagree on this one and sure you know more about the inner workings than I do but I don’t see it - 50m for Maddison is where we will be shooting and at least 30m for barnes - 80m for the 2 - can’t see us taking less for either transfer - said it before - we will be happy to sell but we aren’t skint and won’t be mugged off - we have no history of that at all and I don’t see it now - just my opinion obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyfin Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 Just now, jv1 said: Happy to agree to disagree on this one and sure you know more about the inner workings than I do but I don’t see it - 50m for Maddison is where we will be shooting and at least 30m for barnes - 80m for the 2 - can’t see us taking less for either transfer - said it before - we will be happy to sell but we aren’t skint and won’t be mugged off - we have no history of that at all and I don’t see it now - just my opinion obviously We ain't getting £50m for Maddison with 1 year left on his contract when clubs know he can walk for nothing in 12 months time. We offered Youri for 25 and there were no takers. Maddisons stock is higher granted but not £50m worth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyC74 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 Didn’t the Geordies offer 40m in January? Unless there is an auction with the Spuds we are goin to struggle to get north of that now. Hope I am wrong as we need every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 55 minutes ago, Strokes said: tbf the sell on clause will only be on transfer profits, so we could sell him for £25m pay Norwich a small fee and easily avoid a fair value review. ...in that scenario, we would not be paying Norwich a bean and I suspect it would still be reviewed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 2 hours ago, JimmyC74 said: And can we afford to fund the necessary rebuild of the first team without selling Barnes. Maybe, but probably not. The worst thing we can do is to wait until late in the window and then sell, leaving little time to replace him. You can't sell someone early in the window if there are no bids or nobody wants to buy! With the odd exception for example, Levy always likes to string things out to the very last minute to try and get the best deal, you can't blame him I suppose, it's business. We are in a buyer's market now and they know it, so unless Newcastle suddenly come in with a reasonable bid now for example (and why wouldn't they wait too), this could be a long protracted transfer market. We either sell really cheap or wait and see who blinks first. Meanwhile those clubs might find better cheaper options. We're sitting ducks and we can't even blame the board for this one, the sharks are merely circling the dead body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 18 June 2023 Share Posted 18 June 2023 21 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...in that scenario, we would not be paying Norwich a bean and I suspect it would still be reviewed!!! Nah not with one year on his contract. Also we would paying a percentage on the £3m profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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