How do you think VAR will affect this season?

[Huli]

Watching the Women's WC, I'm a bit worried that we are going to get a lot more penalties in games as well as a lot more sendings off for defenders. Really hope that we spend time practicing penalties and don't just rely on Jamie Vardy to score them all.

 

I can see Vardy being winning the golden boot this season - playing from the beginning, looking fit, better service, more penalties.

[Fox1970]

It'll be even more difficult to get the last train to Northamptonshire after night games with 5 additional VAR-pfaffing minutes per game, or so.

[StanSP]

Yep, another VAR thread will help solve the issues... 

[SemperEadem]

Will make the goal scoring experience less fun.

[ozleicester]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Will make the game less fun.

fixed

[Nicolo Barella]

I don't think there will be a great shift in total penalties awarded, seeing how the other big leagues haven't really had a major shift. The Women's world cup was great fun, but it was still the women's world cup ygm, don't think they gad the kind of facilities that the prem would after prepping for it for over a year

[NaijaFox]

Having goofed much of the summer away watching bits of each of the U20 World Cup, the Women's World Cup, U21 Euros, Copa America, even the CONCACAF Gold Cup and AFCON, my verdict after much consideration is that...

 

VAR SUCKS! 

Edited 20 July 2019 by NaijaFox

[Monsell1976]

The mistakes made by officials has gotten worse since the went professional, just look at the amount of criticism they get just on here.

 

 On that basis, with the financial cost of these mistakes for teams fighting relegation and Europe is potentially massive, so for the bigger picture it’s good for the game, but as long as there is not used wrongly and the game is spoiled by to many delays or taking to long to make a decision it should be ok, but worry it could ruin the flow of games if the refs are not on it

[Finnegan]

Liverpool will get half the penalties and Harry Kane will finish on about 10 goals. 

[NaijaFox]

15 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

The mistakes made by officials has gotten worse since the went professional, just look at the amount of criticism they get just on here.

 

 On that basis, with the financial cost of these mistakes for teams fighting relegation and Europe is potentially massive, so for the bigger picture it’s good for the game, but as long as there is not used wrongly and the game is spoiled by to many delays or taking to long to make a decision it should be ok, but worry it could ruin the flow of games if the refs are not on it

VAR is one more tool in the officials' toolbox but the FINAL judgment and decision is still the Ref's, so if you have a dodgy Ref it changes substantively little or nothing. What it mostly does is slow the game down in a fit of stops-and-starts, while (IMHO) according even more benefit-of-the-doubt to the 'bigger' teams. It will definitely take some getting used to.

[NaijaFox]

Meanwhile VAR allowed broadcasters to add yet another talking head to the commentary team - a referee (or ex-referee), dubbed a 'VAR specialist'. Interestingly, though, these VAR specialists made the WRONG call about half the time (sometimes even after 3-5 mins of review). Interesting times lie ahead!

[La-li-lu-le-lo]

Penalties galore, and a tonne of goals ruled out/allowed.

[Guest]

Think the primary effect will be loads of people throwing their hands in the air and screaming about the game being ruined every weekend 

[Monsell1976]

45 minutes ago, NaijaFox said:

VAR is one more tool in the officials' toolbox but the FINAL judgment and decision is still the Ref's, so if you have a dodgy Ref it changes substantively little or nothing. What it mostly does is slow the game down in a fit of stops-and-starts, while (IMHO) according even more benefit-of-the-doubt to the 'bigger' teams. It will definitely take some getting used to.

Will it be played on big screens for fans to see, as that would pressure ref to get it right, I don’t think it will in football like in rugby, cricket but if it doesn’t it should.

[woddyuk]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

Liverpool will get half the penalties and Harry Kane will finish on about 10 goals. 

Yeah, remember the two they got against Wes& Simmo and Simmo sent off, couple of years back when we drew 2-2 up there. They would have been overturned for starters. #sameoldscousers 

 

[Vardinio'sCat]

 

Harry to win 5 peno's this season... for someone!

[fuchsntf]

I am one of the older generation who became frustrated,not from middle of the park incident errors, or  the unnecessary Red /yellow cards.but for

Goal incidents...

# offside/not offside

# last man

# clear one rule interpretation for H.ball !

# diving ,or trips few people don't see.

# ball crossing the line.Now solved

# Ball in out when crossing from by-line

# penalties

 

Women WC, over used it,but refs got better the longer the competition went 

Officials improved  approach during competition!!

 

Pl next season according to authorities VAR will not be over used,all over the pitch.

Only yellow/ red cards on refs request..

 

We see players wasting 2-5 minutes at free kicks,or not retiring,so the occasional, 2-3 minute on checking goal or not, or penalty or not..IMO not a problem...linesman must take

More responsibility like at Rugby..

 

Time wasted will eventually improve,plus a simple ruling,after 2 minutes ref must decide ,does he see why a goal can't be given,or a penalty should be given. Hold to those 2 minutes,because if nothing looks wrong/right then descision of refs opinion has to be accepted.

 

Failures should  go to a panel where refs can be helped on simular situations, within 1-2 weeks for future descisions in the same competition....

There will be inconsistencies ,there will be incidents that just have no simple

Clarification.

Fans,media have to stop running around like spoilt little brats.when questions pop up.

Even a 10% improvement is an improvement, which will not immediately,but eventually improve the Game...

 

In some incidents The weakness is the cheating players and managers!!

We shouldn't always blame the Ref.!!

Other incidents are just the natural  happenings in any game..

Also  there will be some difficult on field descisions experiences that will always be needed to be qualified ,Clarified & confirmed, that will  effect rulings  every new season, maybe also sometimes during the running season.

 

We have now the technic,we all appreciate the present modern technic.

We should use it.!! And realise there must be a beginning...then an appreciation that patience is needed

for the fine-tuning...

 

More importantly any consistent moaning from players to use VAR,or hand signals demanding cards against opponents should be awarded with yellow   No more double yellow / red cards for the innocent involving aggressive incidents!!!! Unless retaliation. 

 

The only reason I would now want to cancel VAR,would be a regular showing

of Authorities or refs incompetence plus no learn process on inconsistencies

when using VAR..

At PL level fans should be kept informed. 

 

IMO ,Two VAR descision LEVELS :-

1) VAR-REF,can see and make immediate descision,informing match-official. then  Fans.

2) match-ref , when VAR leaves it to match-ref...when no clear seen issue!!

 

Just my humble opinion...!!

God the medication has got to me today,I  am wacked!!

 

 

 

[Vlad the Fox]

I was for this, however at the minute it’s a shit show, with decisions being overturned when they’re not clear and obvious, referees overturning good decisions when being asked to look at it on the pitch side monitor. The England v Cameroon match in the women’s World Cup shows how it has no use if the referee is still bottling it in making the big decisions with blatant red cards and penalties not being given due to the intimidation of the ref. The offside rule is poor as well, with the end of a toe being enough to call offside when you can’t be that precise when the kicker actually touched the ball. It effectively clears nothing up and adds more controversy. 

 

id prefer it for black and white decisions including offside with the rule altered, or clear irrefutable penalty decisions, any ambiguity, or needing multiple looks and it’s still in question and it rests with the referees on field decision, remove the pitch side monitor, or allow the teams to have a review each half, 

Edited 20 July 2019 by Vlad the Fox

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, NaijaFox said:

VAR is one more tool in the officials' toolbox but the FINAL judgment and decision is still the Ref's, so if you have a dodgy Ref it changes substantively little or nothing. What it mostly does is slow the game down in a fit of stops-and-starts, while (IMHO) according even more benefit-of-the-doubt to the 'bigger' teams. It will definitely take some getting used to.

What people don't grasp or understand,

there are not that many incidents in a game,where it will necitate VAR needed

to be used...We don't see many goals,nor penalty incidents.Clear offsides are usually obvious,so I don't see much stoppage time...Only when we play Wolves .!!

We are getting carried away with lost time!!

[fuchsntf]

7 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

I was for this, however at the minute it’s a shit show, with decisions being overturned when they’re not clear and obvious, referees overturning good decisions when being asked to look at it on the pitch side monitor. The England v Cameroon match in the women’s World Cup shows how it has no use if the referee is still bottling it in making the big decisions with blatant red cards and penalties not being given due to the intimidation of the ref. The offside rule is poor as well, with the end of a toe being enough to call offside when you can’t be that precise when the kicker actually touched the ball. It effectively clears nothing up and adds more controversy. 

 

id prefer it for black and white decisions including offside with the rule altered, or clear irrefutable penalty decisions, any ambiguity, or needing multiple looks and it’s still in question and it rests with the referees on field decision, remove the pitch side monitor, or allow the teams to have a review each half, 

But they were all foreigners our refs,are upright honest to good refs....We sir are

Gentlemen..!!!  We are staunch cricket followers and enjoy nothing more than

Jeeves,and Sherlock Holmes novels..

We only read Poirot because of Henderson..

 

[when_you're_smiling]

I’m Interested to see how (or if) it effects Vardy and others that thrive on running in behind. A huge part of his game is gaining that advantage on the central defender, and from this season he will be pulled up if he’s even half a toe in front of the defender, something he’d probably have got away with previously.

 

The flip side of that is even though linos  have been told to flag normally. It’s only natural if they’re unsure they will now keep their flags down because of the VAR safety net.

The fact the Premier League have decided the ref won’t blow the whistle immediately when a linesman flags and will instead wait to see what happens, is also going to be strange for a while too and probably cause some confusion.

 

There will be other slight changes too. Almost certainly more pens, despite the ‘only obvious mistake’ line the PL keeps peddling when whether something is ‘obvious’ or not is objective in itself. The fact home teams get more penalties should even out more, as has been shown  in analysis of its use in Italy.

 

Hopefully a journalist will ask BR if and what they’re doing in training with the players on VAR. There could be small advantages to be gained, particularly in the early weeks when it’s still bedding in. 

 

 

 

[blueharmie]

It will ruin football. As if modern football couldn't get any worse. Slowly loosing the will , this will push things to the limit. I for one won't cheer a screen saying goal or no goal.

Sad times 

[fox in the sox]

I think it will be difficult for spectators and commentators who are never going to be certain that a goal is a goal. For spectators it may ruin the experience a bit, cheering a screen giving a goal is not the same. Commentators will have to be very careful, keeping a close eye on the ref when calling a goal.

[NaijaFox]

6 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

What people don't grasp or understand,

there are not that many incidents in a game,where it will necitate VAR needed

to be used...We don't see many goals,nor penalty incidents.Clear offsides are usually obvious,so I don't see much stoppage time...Only when we play Wolves .!!

We are getting carried away with lost time!!

Perhaps the EPL rules and implementation will be significantly different...

 

But it appears that you did not watch each of the World Cups this summer (the U20 male and the WWC), where several games neared double-digits in time added on just on account of VAR reviews. Some potential penalty decisions were reviewed well after play has long moved on (sometimes with the ball being at the other end of the pitch after no call was made at all when the concerned incident occurred). Some challenges were reviewed for possible red cards well after the referee's on-field decision and play has moved on, apparently because some dude in a van had the time to look at several slow-motion replays of a seemingly innocuous tackle (and apparently can read players' intent better sitted in a van) . 

 

Little doubt we will eventually learn to live with VAR, but it will be a shyte-show for a minute..  

[Aus Fox]

7 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

The mistakes made by officials has gotten worse since the went professional, just look at the amount of criticism they get just on here.

 

 On that basis, with the financial cost of these mistakes for teams fighting relegation and Europe is potentially massive, so for the bigger picture it’s good for the game, but as long as there is not used wrongly and the game is spoiled by to many delays or taking to long to make a decision it should be ok, but worry it could ruin the flow of games if the refs are not on it

The mistakes haven’t gotten worse since they became professional, we just have now super slow motion replays and 50 different camera angles along with a 24 hour news cycle looking for something to write about.

Refereeeing is better now than ever before, we can just highlight every mistake they make. 

The problem with VAR is mistakes are still being made and it’s not consistent.

Also I don’t think it acts in the spirit of the game nor does it think about why a rule is there in the first place.

Take offside for example, it’s not about if a  striker had his big toe ahead of the last defender, this is almost impossible for a player to look across the line and check his or her whole body is not beyond the last defender. 

Take Jesse Lingard goal rules out against the Dutch in the summer. For me he’s made a clever run and scored a good goal. This wasn’t a clear and obvious error by the ref and the goal should have stood.

I remember when it used to be advantage with the attack and there has to be clear daylight between the players - to me this makes sense.