How do you think VAR will affect this season?

[fuchsntf]

5 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Perhaps the EPL rules and implementation will be significantly different...

 

But it appears that you did not watch each of the World Cups this summer (the U20 male and the WWC), where several games neared double-digits in time added on just on account of VAR reviews. Some potential penalty decisions were reviewed well after play has long moved on (sometimes with the ball being at the other end of the pitch after no call was made at all when the concerned incident occurred). Some challenges were reviewed for possible red cards well after the referee's on-field decision and play has moved on, apparently because some dude in a van had the time to look at several slow-motion replays of a seemingly innocuous tackle (and apparently can read players' intent better sitted in a van) . 

 

Little doubt we will eventually learn to live with VAR, but it will be a shyte-show for a minute..  

I am only going on statements made awhile back..that the use of VAR in the

PL wouldn't not cover.  all incidents on the pitch,only incidents involving goal/offside/penalties relevant incidents 

if not true then I will defer,if others can correct me.

 

In the past Teams have won or lost games on poor officiating,also on unseen not corrected actions.

So VAR is not going make things worse.

Some angles and issues will not bring any further clarity,and will remain an opinion, a situation which will be left to the refs interpretation..

Like I said if it only improves the descision making by xx% then IMO it's worth it!!

Plus IMO for offside...The PL issue a ruling...2 Var lines to be used,then it's only considered offside  if majority

Of attackers body as gone over the borderline ,.Then this shoulder/head/leg/toe issues will not

Muddy the waters..

 

No matter what happens there will always the happy side,and the ruffled side,and those that blame the ref,will now blame VAR..because they don't savvy the ,understanding it's there to help the officials descision making,and not take it away...and interpretation we will only see in minority of incidents!!

 

[Vacamion]

 

Thank goodness there was no VAR in 2015/2016.

 

Morgan and Huth would have had just about every defensive corner ending up with a VAR penalty concession. 

 

I'm sure we'll see a lot more penalties. 

 

And despite the rule against it, we are going to see a lot of players appealing for VAR reviews when they are not awarded something in real time. 

 

We are also going to see fans chanting "V-A-R, V-A-R" when there is potential to review a decision in their favour, and "f*ck V-A-R" when the system is not to their advantage. 

 

[Vossen]

It'll probably ruin the beautiful game 

[Fox92]

Not looking forward to it personally. Some goals which will see ends going mental will be cut short while they decide whether it's offside or not and some people in the ground will chant "VAR".

[norwichfox]

We must not loose VAR otherwise Iheanacho becomes even more meaningless....

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/var-rules-football-1082859

[TrentFox]

Hopefully, it will level out some of the big club bias that many refs still seem to exhibit. 

[Monsell1976]

8 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

The mistakes haven’t gotten worse since they became professional, we just have now super slow motion replays and 50 different camera angles along with a 24 hour news cycle looking for something to write about.

Refereeeing is better now than ever before, we can just highlight every mistake they make. 

The problem with VAR is mistakes are still being made and it’s not consistent.

Also I don’t think it acts in the spirit of the game nor does it think about why a rule is there in the first place.

Take offside for example, it’s not about if a  striker had his big toe ahead of the last defender, this is almost impossible for a player to look across the line and check his or her whole body is not beyond the last defender. 

Take Jesse Lingard goal rules out against the Dutch in the summer. For me he’s made a clever run and scored a good goal. This wasn’t a clear and obvious error by the ref and the goal should have stood.

I remember when it used to be advantage with the attack and there has to be clear daylight between the players - to me this makes sense.

 You don’t think it’s got worse, fair play but I think it has.

 

 I watch about 30 lcfc games a season, and seen a lot of inconsistency in referees, and then I don’t know how many games on tv, and not a week goes by without a game being decided by a poor decision.

 

 The refs imo have got bigger ego’s since they went pro, and I honestly believe they want the controversy to be in the spot light, have many games are being discussed about the refs decision by pundits and fans after the game, rather than the football.

 

 Just look at mike dean and Jon Moss as two examples of arrogance and ego’s in refs, **** me if Pearson says mike dean is the most arrogant man he’s ever met, he must have a massive ego.

 

 Not a massive advocate of var, but there is no accountability with refs, yes fa score them, but what happens if the constantly make mistakes, relegated to the championship for a few weeks.

 

 If var keeps ref fair, then I’m all for it, as long as it doesn’t kill the game, it hasn’t in rugby or cricket, so if used properly it shouldn’t in football 

[Haywood_6]

Hopefully deter players from diving and cheating constantly.

[Vlad the Fox]

13 minutes ago, TrentFox said:

Hopefully, it will level out some of the big club bias that many refs still seem to exhibit. 

That’s what I though originally but I don’t think it will, imagine last game at Anfield next season a win sees liverpool lift the title, 4th minute of 4 minutes of injury time Vardy breaks into the box in front of the kop, dyke catches him, var team suggest the referee goes and looks at the pitch side monitor, how many refs will bottle it and not give the penalty? Mike Dean would however, then he’d release a book ‘how I won the league’  

 

There was a prime example of this recently though I can’t remember who or where right now  

[TrentFox]

2 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

That’s what I though originally but I don’t think it will, imagine last game at Anfield next season a win sees liverpool lift the title, 4th minute of 4 minutes of injury time Vardy breaks into the box in front of the kop, dyke catches him, var team suggest the referee goes and looks at the pitch side monitor, how many refs will bottle it and not give the penalty? Mike Dean would however, then he’d release a book ‘how I won the league’  

 

There was a prime example of this recently though I can’t remember who or where right now  

Maybe ?. But it’s interesting seeing how umpires in cricket have evolved. Because of the scrutiny, they now routinely refer decisions, especially on run-outs, to avoid looking stupid. 

[Vlad the Fox]

5 minutes ago, TrentFox said:

Maybe ?. But it’s interesting seeing how umpires in cricket have evolved. Because of the scrutiny, they now routinely refer decisions, especially on run-outs, to avoid looking stupid. 

This is my fear regarding offside, that eventually they’ll give less and less and var will be used even when the decision isn’t close,

[Kasey Keller]

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[st albans fox]

30 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

Hopefully deter players from diving and cheating constantly.

There aren’t too many reasons apart from this .......but this will only  check inside the box, not outside. 

 

Im just uncomfortable about the whole thing...... have been from the start .....I’m prepared to give the PGMOL the benefit of the doubt to see how they implement it. Hopefully the ‘clear and obvious error’ will be used better than the international tournaments have done. 

 

Would still I’ll like to see that offside line drawn thicker to remove being offside/onside by a cm or two.  It’s not technically possible for the system to be that accurate (as it is with goal line tech). If decisions were instant I could deal with some being wrong (after all, that’s what we have now)  .....I can’t deal with the waiting after some goals to celebrate properly - destroys the moment 

[Super_horns]

It will be great if VAR goes for you but rubbish if it doesn't - like most decisions!

 

Does seem the Premier league are taking a slightly less strict approach to VAR than their European counterparts and not having the ref going to a pitch side screen which might save time.

 

I look forward to a manager blaming an injury time defeat on the delays caused by VAR.

[pleatout]

49 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

 You don’t think it’s got worse, fair play but I think it has.

 

 I watch about 30 lcfc games a season, and seen a lot of inconsistency in referees, and then I don’t know how many games on tv, and not a week goes by without a game being decided by a poor decision.

 

 The refs imo have got bigger ego’s since they went pro, and I honestly believe they want the controversy to be in the spot light, have many games are being discussed about the refs decision by pundits and fans after the game, rather than the football.

 

 Just look at mike dean and Jon Moss as two examples of arrogance and ego’s in refs, **** me if Pearson says mike dean is the most arrogant man he’s ever met, he must have a massive ego.

 

 Not a massive advocate of var, but there is no accountability with refs, yes fa score them, but what happens if the constantly make mistakes, relegated to the championship for a few weeks.

 

 If var keeps ref fair, then I’m all for it, as long as it doesn’t kill the game, it hasn’t in rugby or cricket, so if used properly it shouldn’t in football 

Ive met an awful lot (too many) refs at all levels over a number of years and I can say hand on heart that to get above sunday and saturday "pub" leagues you are required to go on an FA approved "How to be an arrogant w*****" course.  But then, the FA from top to bottom specialises in that.  Our local prem ref, only met him once, boy did he make an impression.  

 

Sorry, I disagree with you that it's a recent thing.  Go back to Milford, Courtney, Elleray etc.  There have always been erm... characters.

[Super_horns]

Well I do think the pundits etc look for mistakes more and have the facilities to spend time going over decisions with their slow motion replays etc...

 

Remember officials only get one look in a split second - potentially unsighted too and influenced by the screaming of a player or fans (clearly they shouldn't be but does happen)

 

As for managers and players - well sometimes they do need excuse to explain their own poor performance after a match.

 

A main issue might be lack of fitness and ability to judge as I say without the pressure form outside factors.

 

Even with VAR we are still getting debates over decisions - should that be happening? 

 

 

[Vlad the Fox]

1 hour ago, Haywood_6 said:

Hopefully deter players from diving and cheating constantly.

Another thing I thought, but I fear it will get worse. What we’ve seen so far, particularly over the summer, that any contact is being given as a penalty. My concern is that players will be aware of it and try even more to initiate contact for a penalty, an example being the USA player who hooked her foot round the opposition players leg then took a dive. Players will always look to gain an advantage and with the introduction of var it’ll be no difference. 

 

Fcuk it, as it stands and replying to these posts I’ve gone from being for it to convincing myself against it.  

 

I also don’t have any faith in the authorities being able to implement it and iron it out into a working solution with less controversy than if we never bothered. 

[LinekersLugs]

Game will become more and more technical now , the beauty is gone forever 

[Bayfox]

21 hours ago, Fox1970 said:

It'll be even more difficult to get the last train to Northamptonshire after night games with 5 additional VAR-pfaffing minutes per game, or so.

Only 5. Love your optimism

[Jonezy]

There are gonna be so many penalties this season. Schmeichel better train extra hard on those.

[Mehrez]

Bit off topic but I’ve never understood why the PL doesn’t just poach top referees from around the continent (like Saudi? did with old battenberg), FA won’t like it but if they can’t supply referees to a high enough standard then that’s their fault 

[Livid]

It will help,  I think.

 

I’m going to have to get used to the delays and anyone leaving on 85 minutes will probably now miss 11-12 minutes. 

 

It’s never going to be black and white, some of it will always come down to individual interpretations of deliberate handball etc. 

[Oxfordfox83]

There’s nothing to like about the way it’s been implemented. It’s a flawed system that takes much too long and doesn’t produce unequivocal results.

 

The only way ‘in-play’ video reffing can work is if the decision is taken out of the referee’s hands with the video ref overruling remotely and only permitted to correct ‘clear and obvious errors’. If there is any doubt, any question at all about the decision, then it stays with the onfield ref’s decision.

[Chester Dontlie]

Disagree with those saying it will ruin the game. I for one don't mind waiting a couple minutes for the decision, I think it adds to the excitement actually. I see more pros than cons. More decisions should be correct now and hopefully the big club bias won't be as evident. Seen too many important games over the years spoilt by refs' being blind on purpose or due to incompetence to hold anything against VAR. As with any novelty we'll get used to it in time. Of course it doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of ref(s) spoiling the result of a game but it definitely should make things more fair for all concerned. Only one minor disadvantage to me, that some games will last couple to few minutes longer, but decision time should also improve as the refs get used to the technology (and the technology gets better), hopefully.

[NaijaFox]

On 21/07/2019 at 04:08, TrentFox said:

Hopefully, it will level out some of the big club bias that many refs still seem to exhibit. 

If the Women’s World Cup was a precursor of things to come, it will not. If anything, the smaller nations screamed that it exacerbated it...