NaijaFox Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 On 21/07/2019 at 17:57, Chester Dontlie said: Disagree with those saying it will ruin the game. I for one don't mind waiting a couple minutes for the decision, I think it adds to the excitement actually. I see more pros than cons. More decisions should be correct now and hopefully the big club bias won't be as evident. Seen too many important games over the years spoilt by refs' being blind on purpose or due to incompetence to hold anything against VAR. As with any novelty we'll get used to it in time. Of course it doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of ref(s) spoiling the result of a game but it definitely should make things more fair for all concerned. Only one minor disadvantage to me, that some games will last couple to few minutes longer, but decision time should also improve as the refs get used to the technology (and the technology gets better), hopefully. No doubt we will all eventually get used to it (not sure the reviews will get any more efficient, as it really has not in American football), but for now it is thoroughly weird seeing players and entire teams trot off to the sidelines to go grab water or apparently discuss tactics while the Ref is offreviewing the VAR monitor. Not exactly my idea of ‘excitement’.
Captain... Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 This is the most watched and best paid and as such probably the most influential league in the world. How VAR goes next season will go a long way to shaping VARs future if it has one. As fans we can influence it, nobody wants 10 minutes added on to every game or a single decision taking 6/7 minutes to make. We don't want celebrations cut short because a player is offside by an imperceptible fraction, we don't want penalties given every time there is contact in the box or the ball hits an arm, and we don't want them retaken if the keeper is a fraction off the line. I want football to be football with the facility to reverse clear and obvious errors (ie Wes Morgan conceding a penalty when the ball hit his face), or give the officials the ability to punish off the ball incidents that the ref has no chance of seeing.
filbertway Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 Getting rid of the pitchside screen and giving 30 seconds to make the decision would be the one. If you can't decide in 30 seconds, it's probably not clear and obvious that an error has been made.
urban fox Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 Sometimes think it is not the VAR that is the problem in itself but the way it is used and the rules that it is there to back up. Unless there is a change to the rules though, big toe offside will remain offside and with the TV pundits scrutinising everything down to the nth degree the officials have no option but to give it. Handball decisions will always have an element of "ball to hand" etc but at least VAR will allow the ref to see if a players arms are extended or if they are actually trying to get out of the way. I think early doors a few players will go down having got the slightest touch thinking VAR will show contact, but if the ref thinks the contact was not sufficient enough then we could also see a few yellow cards for diving which would not be a bad thing in my eyes. Again not specifically VAR but this idea of yellow cards for keepers who move a fraction of a second too early is ridiculous. Seem to recall one WWC game where the keeper had not actually moved from the line but had both feet off the ground as they started their jump and got carded under VAR. I do think I the long term VAR will be a leveller BUT, they do need to sort some of the rules out and keep the "clear and obvious" criteria in mind.
Heathrow fox Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 On 21/07/2019 at 10:08, TrentFox said: Hopefully, it will level out some of the big club bias that many refs still seem to exhibit. On 21/07/2019 at 10:08, TrentFox said: Hopefully, it will level out some of the big club bias that many refs still seem to exhibit. Sir Alex wouldn’t have stood for this that’s for sure.
ozleicester Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 17 hours ago, Captain... said: . As fans we can influence it, nobody wants 10 minutes added on to every game or a single decision taking 6/7 minutes to make. We don't want celebrations cut short because a player is offside by an imperceptible fraction, we don't want penalties given every time there is contact in the box or the ball hits an arm, and we don't want them retaken if the keeper is a fraction off the line. Sadly all of the above is what you will get. AND there will still be errors and disputed decisions
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 So far with VAR: 1. It generally gets decisions right more often than wrong. 2. There is now, mentally, a moment between a goal being scored and BELIEVING a goal has been scored. Your attention immediately goes to the VAR for confirmation. I’m not sure this is a good thing and there will be times when great celebration becomes disappointment. It’s happened already of course. 3. It’s surely bound to extend some games? A 16.45 finish could occasionally be nearer 16.50 or even 17.00 4. There will be more penalties given across the Prem this season. Possibly good if you like to bet on penalties in a game? However I’m sure the odds will come down to reflect this? Anyone continue this list?
foxinsocks Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 Var removes the moment of elation. .by the time a goal is confirmed then you just sigh with relief. Yet at the recent womens world cup that bald italian ref said var confirmed that 98% of ref made decisions were right. That means we are losing the endomorphins of a goal celebration for just 1 in 50 decisions.... i think that this will reduce the emotional involvement of fans. I hope it is an experiment we will drop
Voll Blau Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 In its current form, it might well sadly be the thing that makes me jack in watching football live at this level.
Ted Maul Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 It's going to be bad. Nobody will be celebrating goals as much, just in case. So many inconsistencies with the handball rule too- it doesn't sit right with me that you can have the ball blasted against your hand from 1 yard when it's down by your side and get penalised for it as we saw in the Champions League. Offside rule needs looking at seriously too- half a boot behind the line should not be offside. Maybe a 'linesman's call' distance of around half a yard either way like you get in cricket?
UniFox21 Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 49 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: It's going to be bad. Nobody will be celebrating goals as much, just in case. So many inconsistencies with the handball rule too- it doesn't sit right with me that you can have the ball blasted against your hand from 1 yard when it's down by your side and get penalised for it as we saw in the Champions League. Offside rule needs looking at seriously too- half a boot behind the line should not be offside. Maybe a 'linesman's call' distance of around half a yard either way like you get in cricket? The champions league handball rule is the UEFA interpretation, don't believe The FA have the same. Fully agree on offside, they need to reinterpret the rules. I like your idea on the cricket usage of umpires call. If it's so tight you can barely distinguish between on and off, then you have to go with the original decision From what I read at the end of last year, the FA are huge on "clear and obvious", so hopefully the impact is minimal.
Haywood_6 Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 Apologies if this has already been answered but will the time taken to reach VAR decisions be added on as stoppage time?
HybridFox Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 41 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said: Apologies if this has already been answered but will the time taken to reach VAR decisions be added on as stoppage time? In theory yes. But like with substitutions, the fourth official never gets it right
swanlee Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 A lot of hot air n' waffle. And boy ... I'm dreading already the monotonous drone that will eminate from that toon army pin-up Shearer every MotD. Jog on....
LinekersLugs Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 I’m dredding it , can’t see it being fun at all
Corky Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 Most decisions are still subjective anyway. It is another official looking at a video, often slowed down which changes the look of an incident, and they will either agree/disagree with the on-field referee so you'll still have "offended" parties. There will still be plenty of moaning about it.
TheLittleBigMan Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 We'll get used to it, and the tech and how it's used will get better. When I look at the amount of time that already gets wasted with players surrounding refs etc I don't see time being an issue. I think refs are having to monitor so many extra things that have come in to the game (like bloody diving for a start off) it's got to the point there's too much going on so we really do need to get this up and running.
Lizhang Posted 3 August 2019 Posted 3 August 2019 We've had the VAR in Belgium for two years now i think. I was convinced before, and still am, that it is a great addition. During the world cup last year, i think it was proven to be a success as well. Not perfect, but a lot less screw ups and a more fair result in most cases. Of course, whenever they do screw up, it will stand out even harder, because now there is no excuse to screw up. However, in Belgium, they have this stupid idea, to put the worst refs in the video booth. They should put older, experienced refs in the video booth. The guys that can't cope with the physical burden anymore, simply too old to be on the field, but with 20 years of experience.
ozleicester Posted 4 August 2019 Posted 4 August 2019 7 hours ago, Corky said: Most decisions are still subjective anyway. It is another official looking at a video, often slowed down which changes the look of an incident, and they will either agree/disagree with the on-field referee so you'll still have "offended" parties. There will still be plenty of moaning about it. Which presents us with.. whats the point?
fuchsntf Posted 4 August 2019 Posted 4 August 2019 On 20/07/2019 at 23:28, blueharmie said: It will ruin football. As if modern football couldn't get any worse. Slowly loosing the will , this will push things to the limit. I for one won't cheer a screen saying goal or no goal. Sad times Before we go over the top.... lets see how it fairs,and Now it plays out.... if everybody Sit on their "told you so arses"..... Then they wont learn anything either....und Stay stubborn to Dish out their negative grinding agendas..... Relax and see how it Rolls & developes.......or implodes!!.
NaijaFox Posted 5 August 2019 Posted 5 August 2019 On 03/08/2019 at 17:59, TheLittleBigMan said: We'll get used to it, and the tech and how it's used will get better. When I look at the amount of time that already gets wasted with players surrounding refs etc I don't see time being an issue. I think refs are having to monitor so many extra things that have come in to the game (like bloody diving for a start off) it's got to the point there's too much going on so we really do need to get this up and running. Players still surround the Ref... If there’s any change is a negative one with one set of players surrounding the Ref with a demand for VAR added to the usual moaning from both sides, and yet another round of moaning if/when the Ref changes the original decision on the basis of VAR.
Dahnsouff Posted 5 August 2019 Posted 5 August 2019 The surrounding the ref thing needs to stop. 6-7 petulant children, surrounding the ref, wanting their own way is pathetic. Start flashing cards, state it’s captain only, and it will soon stop happening.
yorkie1999 Posted 5 August 2019 Posted 5 August 2019 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: The surrounding the ref thing needs to stop. 6-7 petulant children, surrounding the ref, wanting their own way is pathetic. Start flashing cards, state it’s captain only, and it will soon stop happening. I don’t mind it, adds to the drama.
ThaiFox Posted 5 August 2019 Posted 5 August 2019 I loathe it. I sincerely hope VAR gets binned after one season. The arguments will continue, there will be just as many controversial decisions as before. The biggest example is defending corners. Lots of players are tugging, pushing and pulling. The attacker falls down under a touch and a penalty (rightly) is given. But do they then look at other incidents, or take into account the other attackers pulling and pushing defenders? If the women's world cup is an example of what we're going to get, it certainly doesn't look like it to me. And some of the penalty handball decisions were utterly appalling. Like corporate sponsorship, silly wages, and stupid transfer fees, it sucks the emotion and soul from football.
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