Legend_in_blue 1,210 Report post Posted 19 October (edited) Been watching this on and off all morning. Just going round and round in circles. Someone makes a point, and then someone makes the complete opposite opinion on the same point. Both cannot be right. Ridiculous. We're in this mess because from day one the way in which the govt has gone about this throughout the whole process has been a complete shambles. Edited 19 October by Legend_in_blue 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milo 1,520 Report post Posted 19 October 2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: Been watching this on and off all morning. Just going round and round in circles. Someone makes a point, and then someone makes the complete opposite opinion on the same point. Both cannot be right. Ridiculous. We're in this mess because from day one the way in which the govt has gone about this throughout the whole process has been a complete shambles. Parliament 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milo 1,520 Report post Posted 19 October And I thought there was a Section 14 Order in place in London at the moment?? Surely the police should be arresting the tens of thousands marchers and protesters in Parliament Square?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alf Bentley 8,613 Report post Posted 19 October Just getting team news in for this afternoon's European tie..... GK: Cable RB: Gyimah CB: Grieve CB: Letwin LB: Long-Bailey DMC: Cherry RW: S. Wilson CM: Benn No. 10: Starmer No. 9: Lucas No. 11: McDonnell Corbyn suffered a suspiciously convenient injury during the warm-up..... Think we have the midfield creativity and the tricky wing play there to go a long way in Europe..... Ah, feck politics, feck Brexit, it's football that matters...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiberalFox 294 Report post Posted 19 October Shouldn't have ever been a referendum, nobody would be demanding we leave the EU right now if we didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon the Hat 3,109 Report post Posted 19 October 42 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: Shouldn't have ever been a referendum, nobody would be demanding we leave the EU right now if we didn't. Nonsense. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strokes 7,518 Report post Posted 19 October (edited) 1 hour ago, LiberalFox said: Shouldn't have ever been a referendum, nobody would be demanding we leave the EU right now if we didn't. Isn’t that the whole reason we were allowed a referendum, the rise of UKIP who were demanding we left the EU? Edited 19 October by Strokes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend_in_blue 1,210 Report post Posted 19 October Decent result in the commons today. How anyone can be expected to act and agree to a deal based on a document received from the govt this morning which is over 500 pages long given no time to scrutinise this is beyond belief. The govt's handling of the whole situation is a total shambles. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bovril 6,606 Report post Posted 19 October (edited) Just now, Legend_in_blue said: Decent result in the commons today. How anyone can be expected to act and agree to a deal based on a document received from the govt this morning which is over 500 pages long given no time to scrutinise this is beyond belief. The govt's handling of the whole situation is a total shambles. No guarantee we're going to get an extension. The EU forced Macedonia and Albania into various changes over the years in order to start their accession talks this month, and Macron vetoed it this week. Edited 19 October by bovril Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salisbury Fox 86 Report post Posted 19 October 15 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: Decent result in the commons today. How anyone can be expected to act and agree to a deal based on a document received from the govt this morning which is over 500 pages long given no time to scrutinise this is beyond belief. To be fair, if they say the deal is pretty much the same as May’s then it is a bit of a disingenuous excuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lgfualol 9,281 Report post Posted 19 October Lets bin it off and we can all get back on with our lives with the same amount of food, rights and money. Just paint your passports blue and jobs a goodn. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charl91 2,184 Report post Posted 19 October 49 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Lets bin it off and we can all get back on with our lives with the same amount of food, rights and money. Just paint your passports blue and jobs a goodn. Even better - just tell the Brexit voters we've left, and stay in. The pound will go back up, so they'll think Brexit has made us more prosperous, and they can feel like they've "taken back control". It's a Win/Win! 6 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiberalFox 294 Report post Posted 19 October 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Isn’t that the whole reason we were allowed a referendum, the rise of UKIP who were demanding we left the EU? How many MPs did UKIP have? Might as well ban cars to appease the Green Party. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milo 1,520 Report post Posted 19 October 33 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: How many MPs did UKIP have? Might as well ban cars to appease the Green Party. For what it's worth, I think all Lib Dems have forfeited their right to engage in any Brexit dialogue... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend_in_blue 1,210 Report post Posted 19 October (edited) Has he sent off his letter yet? He's got 5 hours before he's arrested if he hasn't! Edited 19 October by Legend_in_blue 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattP 15,084 Report post Posted 19 October I'm just glad the peoples vote marches are the nice ones or we could see some unsavoury scenes. Good luck on the trains back when you bump into the football fans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon the Hat 3,109 Report post Posted 19 October 2 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: Decent result in the commons today. How anyone can be expected to act and agree to a deal based on a document received from the govt this morning which is over 500 pages long given no time to scrutinise this is beyond belief. The govt's handling of the whole situation is a total shambles. It’s a shockingly blatant attempt to block Brexit. The Lisbon treaty had three days scrutiny. THREE DAYS. Apparently that is fine to sign our country into ever closer union, but to set ourselves free needs another three months. 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattP 15,084 Report post Posted 19 October 6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: It’s a shockingly blatant attempt to block Brexit. The Lisbon treaty had three days scrutiny. THREE DAYS. Apparently that is fine to sign our country into ever closer union, but to set ourselves free needs another three months. At least we found out today what we knew, it was never about blocking No Deal. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby Hundreds 744 Report post Posted 19 October 14 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm just glad the peoples vote marches are the nice ones or we could see some unsavoury scenes. Good luck on the trains back when you bump into the football fans. Tbf if I saw JRM after a match I’d verbally annihilate the ****. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy 17,537 Report post Posted 19 October Shout out to the boys in blue atm having to deal with all these protests and stuff as well as fight proper crime. They're doing a sterling job. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend_in_blue 1,210 Report post Posted 19 October 33 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm just glad the peoples vote marches are the nice ones or we could see some unsavoury scenes. Good luck on the trains back when you bump into the football fans. He's very calculated. This is clearly a calculated move on his part. Clever. Wouldn't expect any less - he knows how to drum up a reaction. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson 1,449 Report post Posted 19 October I’m totally lost, completely disinterested with it all, the politicians have performed abysmally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Guvnor 926 Report post Posted 19 October 3 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said: Decent result in the commons today. How anyone can be expected to act and agree to a deal based on a document received from the govt this morning which is over 500 pages long given no time to scrutinise this is beyond belief. The parliaments handling of the whole situation is a total shambles. Fixed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend_in_blue 1,210 Report post Posted 19 October What happens if he hands in his letter 14 seconds late? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alf Bentley 8,613 Report post Posted 19 October 39 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: It’s a shockingly blatant attempt to block Brexit. The Lisbon treaty had three days scrutiny. THREE DAYS. Apparently that is fine to sign our country into ever closer union, but to set ourselves free needs another three months. 32 minutes ago, MattP said: At least we found out today what we knew, it was never about blocking No Deal. If the main vote on the deal had passed today, that would have satisfied the Benn Act and Johnson wouldn't have had to request an extension. As parliament seems split almost 50-50 on the deal, a handful of MPs (e.g. ERG hardliners) could then have obstructed the legislation for the deal.....taking us to No Deal on 31/10. So, there clearly WAS a risk of imminent No Deal - and Letwin's amendment addressed that. Of course, it's no secret that most of the opposition want to obstruct this particular deal or, in some cases, make it subject to a referendum. They'd have voted for that in the main vote - and will whenever it happens. Some might hope that the extra time will allow persuasion or new info to turn some MPs' votes. But massive decisions deserve proper consideration. If there's a majority for Johnson's deal, then it will be voted through - and the EU, or particular EU nations, may yet influence that decision in his favour. For the record, Letwin himself voted for May's Deal on all 3 occasions - and said he intended to vote for Johnson's Deal. Avoiding No Deal was clearly his aim, even if others had the extra aim of securing a softer deal or a referendum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
