Wesley Fofana

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

 

I'm not sure that this is valid to be honest, otherwise even the average Joe could take a test and then not self isolate if it's negative. The point of self isolation is that you could get coronavirus upto 14 days after contact with someone who has it. So for the 1st 13 days you could test negative and then positive on the 14th potentially. 

What? Is that true??

For the first 13 days you may show no symptoms but this does not mean it would not present with a test as you DO have it during those days

(unless you contract it post test of course)

[Guest Fktf]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

 

I'm not sure that this is valid to be honest, otherwise even the average Joe could take a test and then not self isolate if it's negative. The point of self isolation is that you could get coronavirus upto 14 days after contact with someone who has it. So for the 1st 13 days you could test negative and then positive on the 14th potentially. 

Wildly inaccurate. 14 days just takes you past the point where you're likely to be infectious to others. 

[MPH]

7 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

No they will tested to the max no quarantine needed.

 

Quarantine is only for the average Joe.

 

 

Don’t think that’s accurate. If it was. there wouldn’t have been such an issue for Foden and Greenwood at the hotel. 

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, Fktf said:

Wildly inaccurate. 14 days just takes you past the point where you're likely to be infectious to others. 

oh really? - copied from a gov website: 

 

"When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

This is because it can take up to 14 days for coronavirus symptoms to appear. If you’re travelling to the UK for less than 14 days, you will be expected to self-isolate for the length of your stay."

 

Covid tests are based on Antigen's and Antibodies. If your body is not at the point of producing them then you will test negative. 

 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, hejammy said:

oh really? - copied from a gov website: 

 

"When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

This is because it can take up to 14 days for coronavirus symptoms to appear. If you’re travelling to the UK for less than 14 days, you will be expected to self-isolate for the length of your stay."

 

Covid tests are based on Antigen's and Antibodies. If your body is not at the point of producing them then you will test negative. 

 

Suppose the question is if this applies to elite sports people

[hejammy]

Ok so again from the Gov website:

 

International elite sportspersons
Applies to:

International elite sportspersons and essential support staff participating in a UK elite sports event listed in the Health Protection (Coronavirus, International Travel) (England) Regulations 2020 (as amended).

You will need to complete the passenger locator form before you travel to the UK.

You’ll need to self-isolate for the remainder of the 14 days since you were last in a non-exempt country. You can leave your accommodation to travel directly to and attend the listed elite sports event you are participating in with other elite sports persons and essential support staff. Travelling between multiple venue locations for the sports event or training is also permitted.

You’ll need to show written evidence from a United Kingdom or English national governing body for your sport of your status as an international elite sportsperson or essential support staff attending the specified event.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules

 

So they can go back and forth from games and training but other than that cannot go anywhere else. (so semi-isolation if you like)

[Guest Fktf]

3 minutes ago, hejammy said:

oh really? - copied from a gov website: 

 

"When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

This is because it can take up to 14 days for coronavirus symptoms to appear. If you’re travelling to the UK for less than 14 days, you will be expected to self-isolate for the length of your stay."

 

Covid tests are based on Antigen's and Antibodies. If your body is not at the point of producing them then you will test negative. 

 

So you're saying these tests will never be positive when some asymptomatically carries the disease? Because that isn't true.

[Guest SO1]

2 weeks to a month is nothing on a potential investment that could triple or more. Who cares.

[Leicester_Loyal]

9 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

Don’t think that’s accurate. If it was. there wouldn’t have been such an issue for Foden and Greenwood at the hotel. 

I think the issue there was they were coming into contact with someone outside of the bubble, so they then could have spread it to the whole squad the next morning. They usually take a test or two, get results and then they can form the bubble as they know they're all COVID free.

[murphy]

28 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

You're always banging on about Claude Puel, let it go Murphy, you're never gonna meet him

Met him many times.  He speaks very highly of you Miquel.

[hejammy]

Just now, Fktf said:

So you're saying these tests will never be positive when some asymptomatically carries the disease? Because that isn't true.

Clearly you do not know how the body produces antibodies....

 

You can be completely asymptomatic however your body has built up the antibodies to fight the infection - a test would show as positive - my point is that you could catch COVID-19 day 1 for example - if day 2 you take the test it will most likely be negative as your body hasn't started producing enough antibodies to show up on the tests. However you still have COVID-19. This is a major reason why the gov are saying that you should really only take the test if you show symptoms as there is no evidence as to how accurate the test is in asymptomatic patients 

[hejammy]

8 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Suppose the question is if this applies to elite sports people

Yes on the GOV website it says :

[jonthefox]

Thought I’d clicked the Fofana thread for a minute 

[Costock_Fox]

Been a busy day so I’ve missed whats happening. Has he Odemwingied it yet or what?

[brucey]

11 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Clearly you do not know how the body produces antibodies....

 

You can be completely asymptomatic however your body has built up the antibodies to fight the infection - a test would show as positive - my point is that you could catch COVID-19 day 1 for example - if day 2 you take the test it will most likely be negative as your body hasn't started producing enough antibodies to show up on the tests. However you still have COVID-19. This is a major reason why the gov are saying that you should really only take the test if you show symptoms as there is no evidence as to how accurate the test is in asymptomatic patients 

The nose swab is not an antibody test. 

[Guest Fktf]

7 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Clearly you do not know how the body produces antibodies....

 

You can be completely asymptomatic however your body has built up the antibodies to fight the infection - a test would show as positive - my point is that you could catch COVID-19 day 1 for example - if day 2 you take the test it will most likely be negative as your body hasn't started producing enough antibodies to show up on the tests. However you still have COVID-19. This is a major reason why the gov are saying that you should really only take the test if you show symptoms as there is no evidence as to how accurate the test is in asymptomatic patients 

This is decent description of antibodies, and the exact reason we use tests that detect antigens, which are present almost from the point of infection - regardless of what symptoms you may or may not have.

 

And we've known for a long time the antigen tests are perfectly capable of detecting asymptomatic cases 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53320155

 

So no, he won't be isolating for 2 weeks. Maximum of 3 days I would think. Test on arrival, test a few days later just to be sure.

[gerrytaggart]

26 minutes ago, Fktf said:

Wildly inaccurate.

This is Foxestalk,  are you suggesting that something is not 100% factual??? 

 

How dare you!! 

[Scotch]

That fella that Utd signed from Ajax didnt have to isolate so I would assume that the same rules would apply. 

Edited 11 September 2020 by Foxy_Bear

[Pliskin]

Apparently Jimmy Kebe is kayaking him across the channel as we speak, both disguised as Dennis and Vicky Vixen.  

[urban.spaceman]

9 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

That fella that Utd signed from Ajax didnt have to isolate so I would assume that the same rules would apply. 

He's signed for an "elite" club though. Different rules.

[UHDrive]

39 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Without doubt. However he played his part. The point is Claude wasn’t in our top (or should I say bottom) 5 of managers. He did us ok. 

It seems a lot of people are now commenting that he was a great asset and with flair and an ability to consolidate out prem status. 

 

In reality he was heckled relentlessly by fans and booed for most of his tenure for his particularly poor substitutions and tactical changes when we were losing were to frankly shite.

 

There isn't many good words I'll say about him that's for sure. It seems a lot on here have forgot how bad he was.

[hejammy]

7 minutes ago, Fktf said:

This is decent description of antibodies, and the exact reason we use tests that detect antigens, which are present almost from the point of infection - regardless of what symptoms you may or may not have.

 

And we've known for a long time the antigen tests are perfectly capable of detecting asymptomatic cases 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53320155

 

So no, he won't be isolating for 2 weeks. Maximum of 3 days I would think. Test on arrival, test a few days later just to be sure.

and did I not agree with you about asymptomatic cases - and did you not see my link/picture from the government website which states that he would be  "semi-isolating"

FYI: 

 

[Fox85]

50 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

Don’t think that’s accurate. If it was. there wouldn’t have been such an issue for Foden and Greenwood at the hotel. 

The difference there is they were representing England during a pandemic they invited whores to the hotel.

 

We are talking about a business transaction here 😂

[urban.spaceman]

5 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

The difference there is they were representing England during a pandemic they invited whores to the hotel.

 

We are talking about a business transaction here 😂

So were Foden and Greenwood, to be fair. Move with the times!

[talking_goldfish]

Can someone please post the Coronavirus self-isolation guidelines for International elite sportspersons?