Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 don't see how Cumming's can even do his job anymore. The civil service will literally leak every dumb thing he does (which is everything) because they know he's box office news now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 12 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: I understand and although I can see the potential effects of what DC did, we should be loathe to attribute all lockdown misdemeanours to his actions. Unlike the media at large (or small!), we should not (in my opinion) seek to act as a megaphone for outliers, we should always seek balance and unfortunately, balance is a very difficult thing to achieve during periods of outrage. Good chat as always I agree, and I still think the majority will continue to do the right thing - in spite of the anger they feel. I hope so anyway, all of our futures count on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoleftfeet Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: It is a non issue, it really is. One man, not elected but an adviser, made one trip on Easter Sunday in which the motive and the trip itself are questionable. Move on ffs. Meanwhile, big things are happening: The RNLI has decided to only put lifeguards (young fit people almost without exception) on 70 instead of their usual 240 beaches this year. On balance I would argue that this is more likley to result in additional drownings than fulling staffing the 240 beaches would in COVID-19 deaths of their lifeguards. The numbers are moving entirely in the right direction despite the fact that people have undoubtedly been out and interacting more in the past 4 weeks than the previous 4 weeks. We have the highest death rate per capita in the world (agains those with good stats) so we need to understand why - this will come again and we need to be prepared. The economy is going to take a big hit very soon - what are we going to do to accelerate opening up before the entire Leisure sector is ****ed; Summer has to happen - make it! The RNLI face a massive downturn in fund raising this year as do a lot of charities. If its too early for teachers and kids to go back into school it is too early for a life guard to perform mouth to mouth to save lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 29 May 2020 Author Share Posted 29 May 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/28/nissan-sunderland-factory-safe-but-plant-in-barcelona-will-close-coronavirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Numerous MPs left Westminster and went home, some of them also came back again, during lockdown, when it was possible to connect remotely. No one is mentioning this... But Cummings?? HE MUST GO NOW! Devil's advocate, did those MPs suffer from symptoms or in direct contact with a symptoms sufferer? The source there is so random twitter account. I note JRM has pushed for parliament to be back within House of Commons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 10 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: I note JRM has pushed for parliament to be back within House of Commons Isn't that just to stop him producing an endless stream of offspring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 The furlough scheme plan looks sensible to me, may be wrong and I'm sure some will disagree, but seems to be a great help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 29 May 2020 18 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: The furlough scheme plan looks sensible to me, may be wrong and I'm sure some will disagree, but seems to be a great help. Economic response to this crisis has been great. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Economic response to this crisis has been great. The economic response has been the only real strength of the general response. The question now is how the government pays it back; whether it's by austerity or increased taxation, and who bears that burden, it will be a huge test of Sunak's mettle. It's tough to dislike someone who's giving money away after all. Edited 29 May 2020 by Bilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 29 May 2020 Author Share Posted 29 May 2020 22 minutes ago, Bilo said: The economic response has been the only real strength of the general response. The question now is how the government pays it back; whether it's by austerity or increased taxation, and who bears that burden, it will be a huge test of Sunak's mettle. It's tough to dislike someone who's giving money away after all. It'll be a combination of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: It'll be a combination of both. Quite. And that's when the public stop putting him on a pedestal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 7 minutes ago, Bilo said: Quite. And that's when the public stop putting him on a pedestal. At that point it will be gallows I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Teapot Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/28/nissan-sunderland-factory-safe-but-plant-in-barcelona-will-close-coronavirus Would hardly argue that a factory closing in one country is good news, theyre closing one rather than moving operations to the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 29 May 2020 Author Share Posted 29 May 2020 Just now, Abrasive fox said: Would hardly argue that a factory closing in one country is good news, theyre closing one rather than moving operations to the UK. We were told the Sunderland one would be the first one to go, which thankfully isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 57 minutes ago, Bilo said: The economic response has been the only real strength of the general response. The question now is how the government pays it back; whether it's by austerity or increased taxation, and who bears that burden, it will be a huge test of Sunak's mettle. It's tough to dislike someone who's giving money away after all. 34 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: It'll be a combination of both. The Treasury will do neither since it will be recognised that politically and economically both are unfeasible. The occurring debts will be parked and managed with monetary wizardry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 12 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: We were told the Sunderland one would be the first one to go, which thankfully isn't the case. Unfortunately, that's not the same thing as it not going at all as has been inferred by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 12 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: The Treasury will do neither since it will be recognised that politically and economically both are unfeasible. The occurring debts will be parked and managed with monetary wizardry. The problem is that increased debt is not compatible with the lowered credit rating, and subsequent increased cost of borrowing, that'll come with a No Deal Brexit and refusal to pay the 'divorce bill.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spudulike Posted 29 May 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 29 May 2020 19 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: Would hardly argue that a factory closing in one country is good news, theyre closing one rather than moving operations to the UK. Of course its not good news for the Barcelona car workers. However, as tweeted by Andrew Neil, the anti-Brexit mob would have been all over it had it been the other way round. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 1 hour ago, Bilo said: The problem is that increased debt is not compatible with the lowered credit rating, and subsequent increased cost of borrowing, that'll come with a No Deal Brexit and refusal to pay the 'divorce bill.' That you are still talking about Brexit when we are reaching 150% debt to GDP and -30% GDP shrinkage is baffling. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 20 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: That you are still talking about Brexit when we are reaching 150% debt to GDP and -30% GDP shrinkage is baffling. Sorry. Because Brexit is going to make it a sight worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 1 hour ago, Bilo said: The problem is that increased debt is not compatible with the lowered credit rating, and subsequent increased cost of borrowing, that'll come with a No Deal Brexit and refusal to pay the 'divorce bill.' We've already payed the divorce bill haven't we, or at least agreed to it in the terms of our leaving this year. It's the future relationship we're negotiating now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 30 minutes ago, bovril said: We've already payed the divorce bill haven't we, or at least agreed to it in the terms of our leaving this year. It's the future relationship we're negotiating now. Nothings agreed until everything is agreed. The withdrawal agreement needs the trade agreement, to be fully binding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 SAGE advisors going on record it’s too early to open up. Not a great look. AGAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 29 May 2020 Share Posted 29 May 2020 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Nothings agreed until everything is agreed. The withdrawal agreement needs the trade agreement, to be fully binding. That's incorrect, isn't it? The Political Declaration on the Future EU/UK Relationship is not binding, but the Withdrawal Agreement is - and is not dependent on any trade agreement, that's my understanding? There's no obligation on either side to sign any trade or future relationship agreement - and the stuff about "level playing field" and alignment can absolutely be ditched (and probably will be) as Johnson had that moved from the WA to the PD. I'm sure there's scope for legal disputes over the meaning of specific clauses of the WA or whether certain sums are payable, but it is binding on both sides now, as I understand it, covering: - Divorce settlement (although that is due to be paid over many years, not all up front) - Citizens' rights - Irish border - Extension of EU terms, conditions & rights until December 2020 I'm happy to be shown that I'm wrong about that as I've semi-switched off from Brexit in recent months and am an old git who forgets things but I think that's the gist? (Won't enter into any long debate here, though, as I think the Brexit thread is still open for that). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 29 May 2020 Author Share Posted 29 May 2020 51 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: SAGE advisors going on record it’s too early to open up. Not a great look. AGAIN They're interested in halting the virus, not the economy, so they're obviously going to say that, surely? We'll all be eating out of bins if we don't start going back to some form of normality soon, we'll be paying this off for our entire lifetimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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