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3 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

My point is I work in a pub not that I want to go in a pub. I need the money 

Start looking for new work.  The services industry is crumbling so if I were you I wouldn't assume that role is in any way secure.

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4 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Really? Who? 

 

Have you any idea what this logistically involves? 

I don't know who, and I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why it's impossible. We have mystery shoppers for most customer service businesses so why not have covid mystery shoppers lol who can report to local authorities. Plenty of people out to work who would do it..

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Hancock mentions “saving Christmas” what a load of nonsense, he’d dangling a carrot to make people behave, there is no way Christmas will be saved, round and round we will go until a vaccine is found.

 

At least there were only 11 deaths, very sad for those 11 but it’s a small amount

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6 hours ago, bovril said:

"Prof Sunetra Gupta says allowing young and healthy people to be exposed over the winter will be of benefit in the years to come."

Is she going to volunteer? I've seen healthy friends and family members suffer nasty long-term effects of this virus to think it's probably best not to let it pass unchecked through the population. 

Not enough time has passed to assess long term effects surely?

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7 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

I don't know who, and I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why it's impossible. We have mystery shoppers for most customer service businesses so why not have covid mystery shoppers lol who can report to local authorities. Plenty of people out to work who would do it..

It could be arranged - but again the logistical requirements would be huge. I think that the very threat of such spot checks and the possibility of the public informing authorities of irresponsible or illegal practice would hopefully be an adequate deterrent moving forward. 

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14 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Start looking for new work.  The services industry is crumbling so if I were you I wouldn't assume that role is in any way secure.

The service industry is crumbling? If this industry crumbles it'll put millions of people out of work. It would be disaster. 

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28 minutes ago, BrokenRecord said:

Mate, I worked through all of lockdown in a shop. It was ****ing dull just going to work and then just staying at home, but it was necessary. At the end of the day, if the science is saying it might be necessary again then so be it. You think the tories of all people are excited to have people on furlough? Not a chance. So if they're considering that as an option they must have a pretty decent rationale for it. Yeah, I miss going to the football, miss going to gigs, but if most of this country can't function without going to the pub or a restaurant then something is inherently wrong with us. It's never going to be easy, but the right decisions seldom are. 

 

Edit - I'm not making an argument for lockdown, or against lockdown. It's above my pay grade, but if the scientists are arguing it will be necessary, it's wise to follow it. I know there's a lot of really 'intelligent' people in our society who call masks 'muzzles' and won't get vaccines because they don't trust them, but for as intellectually gifted as these fine specimens are, I'll trust the scientists who have spent years on their craft. Not to say that you're an antivaxxer or anything like that obviously. 

My mother never turned down a vaccine because she didn't trust it, but she did turn down one popular drug.  My brother was born in 1959 and my mother had severe morning sickness - so severe that the doctor prescribed her this wonderful anti-morning sickness drug called thalidomide.  But she had then, and still does have, a strong anti-drug prejudice and she didn't take it.

 

The scientists may be more intellectually gifted than her, perhaps; but that doesn't mean they were perfect.

 

I'll proabably take my chance with a vaccine - though I doubt I'll be first in the queue - but only because I believe they are probably all right and I'm sick of being trapped or even semi-trapped.  I'm not very sociable and the current position is OK for me, though my mother's getting pretty depressed, but if we go back into lockdown and visiting the shops only if you can prove it's necessary, and with no plans ever to get back to normal, then I have had enough.

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57 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

So Boris Johnson is making an announcement tomorrow, and I feel he's most likely going to close pubs again. 

 

For me personally, because after all this I feel as though it's time to think of myself for once, I don't know how I'll get through it. 

 

I'm a student, currently living in accommodation. My lectures have already been moved online, however the only positive aspect of signing the contract for this accommodation was the fact I have my bar job to go back to which is starting at the end of the week. I'm relying on this job for rent, food and general living expenses. 

 

At the moment I fear the people of this country will feel as though they are simply existing and not living. I've had enough of it and it's time to get on with our lives. 

And this is the attitude that has got us to the brink of a second lockdown.

 

If people followed guidelines and advice, it might not have come to this.

 

From my experience, a lot of younger people seem to think they can do what they want, like they're immune.

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4 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Half term is the end of October.  It's doubtful whether any government should be fixing plans that far ahead, and there's no way this one will.  They change their mind every day.

 

First thing to establish is does lockdown work, except in the very loosest sense of stopping people catching the disease in the time they are locked down.  Because it looks more and more like lockdown is a long term, possibly very long term, "answer".

You don’t believe governments plan months in advance? I know Boris’s brigade seem to be making things up as they go along but there has to be some kind of forward planning.

Lockdown is nothing more than a temporary fix before we will be back to where we are now sometime in December or January 

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7 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Good post

’Comfortable’ is a shocking word to use

People that die from it are anything but ‘comfortable’ and the systemic nature of the virus, when it really takes hold, seems very different to flu.

That said, it’s here to stay and ‘living with it’ seems to be the only way to go.

It’s highly contagious, like flu, but infection control measures DO help

It’s time the public changed how we do things. Government can put out as many dictats as they like, it’s down to people to have some common fookin sense, learn about the virus themselves and try to look after themselves to minimise the chances of contracting it

A pub full of people laffin, spluttering, slobbering, not washing their hands is imo absurd given the circumstances.

True and it also about people following the rules. Spoke to our son in Birmingham yesterday who said at least 25% of people on the buses are not wearing masks!

I believe they wanted to wait until the October half term to implement the so-called two week block but the infection rate is growing too fast to wait that long. People have become too complacent on the whole and the messages of what to do have at times been too complex.

Pretty certain to see nationwide restrictions from next week with places like pubs and restaurants being restricted on what they can do or possibly closed completely. Also a ban on mixing households. If that doesn't work then except further restrictions but schools will be the last to close.

 

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Just now, Harrydc said:

The service industry is crumbling? If this industry crumbles it'll put millions of people out of work. It would be disaster. 

Thousands already are.  There are far fewer customers about and it's already put the nails to many enterprises, more will inevitably follow as this virus gets worse again then continues to drag on.  The most expendable staff will always be the first to go, that means student shift workers like yourself I'm afraid.

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In some ways it's good fortune that the lockdown was brought in as the curve was already beginning to decrease due to the seasonal effects of the virus.  This time round, the lockdown, if there is one, will have minimal effect imo.  Then people will really kick off when the numbers are not seen to be effected nearly as much by a lockdown as the govt would lead everyone to believe. The seasonal variation is kicking in again and we'll see a shallower curve up until next Feb/March regardless of lockdowns.

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1 minute ago, Line-X said:

It could be arranged - but again the logistical requirements would be huge. I think that the very threat of such spot checks and the possibility of the public informing authorities of irresponsible or illegal practice would hopefully be an adequate deterrent moving forward. 

One would have hoped that the threat of tens of thousands of deaths would have been a deterrent from acting irresponsibly, but sadly that doesn't seem to have been enough for many people. 

 

God help us if the country ever faces a bigger threat than this, nobody will be interested, it will be every person for themselves 

 

But so many people just don't care, really, as long as they think they are immune. 

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22 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

I don't know who, and I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why it's impossible. We have mystery shoppers for most customer service businesses so why not have covid mystery shoppers lol who can report to local authorities. Plenty of people out to work who would do it..

It's actually quite a conversation. The most logical people to do it would be EHO's or TSO's, who are well versed in public safety, work for local authorities and already have powers to close licenced businesses. They also know the law and are used to dealing with publicans/restaurant owners.   

 

The downside is the sheer enormity of it - I was talking on Friday to the lead EHO of a local authority near me that has nigh on 2,000 pubs and restaurants in her borough - and she is the only full time person in the department. Much of the slack is taken up by external contractors who don't have quite the same level of power.

 

Self policing - ie people not being cnuts - would be the ideal solution. 

 

Some pubs that I have been into have a 'no vertical drinking' policy. Table service only and if there are no tables available then you can't come in.         

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14 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

And this is the attitude that has got us to the brink of a second lockdown.

 

If people followed guidelines and advice, it might not have come to this.

 

From my experience, a lot of younger people seem to think they can do what they want, like they're immune.

Really harsh on the original poster, did you read that they need money to actually get by and for living expenses.

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1 minute ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Really harsh on the original poster, did you read that they need money to actually get by and for living expenses.

Doesn't everyone? 

 

Unfortunately, we can't get on with our lives as normal and to think we can is dangerous.

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4 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Doesn't everyone? 

 

Unfortunately, we can't get on with our lives as normal and to think we can is dangerous.

No not everyone has rent or a mortgage, a job to hang on to and to think they do is incredibly naive.

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I think they'll give us breathing space (as it were) and a chance to "prove" our behaviour in the next couple of weeks. Shutting establishments will not be a popular move, they'll judge things locally before going nationally.

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22 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

And this is the attitude that has got us to the brink of a second lockdown.

 

If people followed guidelines and advice, it might not have come to this.

 

From my experience, a lot of younger people seem to think they can do what they want, like they're immune.

 

The majority of the population have been following the guidelines for months now.

 

If the furlough ends in October, I think the lockdown will become a lot less popular on here. I think they'll keep it in place for certain sectors, ones that are still not fully functioning or the ones likely to be the first to shut in the event of harsher restrictions.

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