Coronavirus Thread

[Innovindil]

40 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

There's no way masks and social distancing will be dropped in June, can't see it happening.

 

If he's talking about cases then fair enough, but by next week we'll have vaccinated the groups that account for 99% (I think that's the figure) of all deaths.

He will be talking about cases I think. And yup, most at risks groups will be done, still doesn't mean you want it running unchecked through the rest of the population. Better, imo, to take it as it comes. 

[Christoph]

41 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

Surely because a good deal of the at risk groups have been vaccinated, and the younger groups (i.e. the ones much less likely to develop symptoms, let alone require hospitalisation) are still likely to catch it but with very few problems. I would suspect if we had another wave the impact to the health system would be pretty minimal by this point - even if the numbers of positive cases looks bad on graphs

Agreed. Also it's hard to believe people will want to stay in lockdown much longer. You already have a lot of people meeting up with friends and family now. My next door neighbour had a birthday party 2 weeks ago...! 

 

The point of the lockdown is to protect the NHS and number of people needing to go to Hospital. As far as i'm aware 98% of those who have had to go to hospital are those in the vulnerable group or over the age of 50.. If the most vulnerable are protected the rest of us who might get it will probably be ok. Its a risk I can live with taking anyway. 

 

 

 

 

[Spudulike]

The major worry is mutations that existing vaccines don't protect against. Covid looks like being rampant on the continent for quite some time and variants will appear. There is still some doubt about how effective the vaccines are against the South African and Brazilian mutations. A new European one could potentially be disastrous if it gets imported, and it will. 

 

The world needs to be vaccinated before we are safe. 

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, Spudulike said:

The major worry is mutations that existing vaccines don't protect against. Covid looks like being rampant on the continent for quite some time and variants will appear. There is still some doubt about how effective the vaccines are against the South African and Brazilian mutations. A new European one could potentially be disastrous if it gets imported, and it will. 

 

The world needs to be vaccinated before we are safe. 

Or, the simple solution, we need to lock the world out until they become safe.

[KrefelderFox666]

58 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I disagree.  If it all goes perfectly and the disease is no longer a significant threat, then why not release all precautions?  It would be like wearing tinfoil hats to protect from alien mind readers, or throwing salt out of train windows to keep ther elephants away.  There is no need to protect against a threat that doesn't exist.

Scientists are saying social distancing and masks may have to remain for a few years yet. Now, over the past year, scientists have been proven right and politicians full of rubbish (not a major shock). So who should we believe?

 

I am all for opening up but the June timescale seems a bit OTT. Open all industries up but reduce capacities for a while (e.g. if indoor gigs, run them at 50% for a few weeks, then 75% for a few weeks, then 100%). Not go from minimal to all out.

 

Re mask wearing and social distancing, I think it will become more of a good habit and up to each individual to follow. Some people may feel safer in future to wear a mask in a supermarket but it should no longer be enforced.

[The Horse's Mouth]

17 deaths today what the **** are we waiting for 

[Legend_in_blue]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Depends what you describe as a "wave". An increase of cases, maybe, but an major increase of hospitalisations and deaths? The data points to absolutely not. 

 

Follow the science 

Unfortunately, the only thing being followed are ridiculous projections.

[Legend_in_blue]

15 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Scientists are saying social distancing and masks may have to remain for a few years yet. Now, over the past year, scientists have been proven right and politicians full of rubbish (not a major shock). So who should we believe?

 

I am all for opening up but the June timescale seems a bit OTT. Open all industries up but reduce capacities for a while (e.g. if indoor gigs, run them at 50% for a few weeks, then 75% for a few weeks, then 100%). Not go from minimal to all out.

 

Re mask wearing and social distancing, I think it will become more of a good habit and up to each individual to follow. Some people may feel safer in future to wear a mask in a supermarket but it should no longer be enforced.

I don't see a window for ceasing mask wearing.  They were brought in at the wrong time and, as I said last year, when will they be deemed unnecessary?  Their introduction wasn't logical at a time of low prevalence, the science is wafer thin on their effectiveness and so how do we come about to a logical conclusion to their use?  

 

You can be sure it won't be a decision based on data.

 

 

Edited 22 March 2021 by Legend_in_blue

[dsr-burnley]

14 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Scientists are saying social distancing and masks may have to remain for a few years yet. Now, over the past year, scientists have been proven right and politicians full of rubbish (not a major shock). So who should we believe?

 

I am all for opening up but the June timescale seems a bit OTT. Open all industries up but reduce capacities for a while (e.g. if indoor gigs, run them at 50% for a few weeks, then 75% for a few weeks, then 100%). Not go from minimal to all out.

 

Re mask wearing and social distancing, I think it will become more of a good habit and up to each individual to follow. Some people may feel safer in future to wear a mask in a supermarket but it should no longer be enforced.

Yes, but what is the target scientists are aiming for that we should have to wear masks and never have coffee with friends?  Are they determined to eliminate coronavirus in its entirety to ensure we can all die of something else, or are they looking at a more balanced view of life with all its inherent risks of which this is just one?

[Legend_in_blue]

32 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

17 deaths today what the **** are we waiting for 

Another Ferguson model?  

 

Don't try to think logically.  I'm well past that, just ends up winding you up even further.

[yorkie1999]

37 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

17 deaths today what the **** are we waiting for 

It's the weekend, no doubt that figure will be 1700 tomorrow.

[yorkie1999]

46 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Scientists are saying social distancing and masks may have to remain for a few years yet. Now, over the past year, scientists have been proven right and politicians full of rubbish (not a major shock). So who should we believe?

 

I am all for opening up but the June timescale seems a bit OTT. Open all industries up but reduce capacities for a while (e.g. if indoor gigs, run them at 50% for a few weeks, then 75% for a few weeks, then 100%). Not go from minimal to all out.

 

Re mask wearing and social distancing, I think it will become more of a good habit and up to each individual to follow. Some people may feel safer in future to wear a mask in a supermarket but it should no longer be enforced.

Didn't the scientists originally say that masks wouldn't protect you.

[KFS]

You guys are able to read it from the horses mouth so can I check where ‘ruling out holidays’ are being mentioned, are they mainly talking U.K. to Europe?

 

Biden supposedly going to open the US to Europe mid May and after over a year of not seeing my family and just having a new born; seeing 17 deaths a day your side and just as many here in North East, this is beginning to wind me up 🙃

[KFS]

12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Didn't the scientists originally say that masks wouldn't protect you.

They said that in the US because people were hoarding and selling them at a premium

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Christoph said:

Agreed. Also it's hard to believe people will want to stay in lockdown much longer. You already have a lot of people meeting up with friends and family now. My next door neighbour had a birthday party 2 weeks ago...! 

 

The point of the lockdown is to protect the NHS and number of people needing to go to Hospital. As far as i'm aware 98% of those who have had to go to hospital are those in the vulnerable group or over the age of 50.. If the most vulnerable are protected the rest of us who might get it will probably be ok. Its a risk I can live with taking anyway.

 

17 deaths today.

 

I've just put the figure in my group chat, a 28 year old healthy lad is saying we've opened up too early and we shouldn't be opening anything up until we've vaccinated everyone twice, because the vaccine isn't 100%. When I said 17 people is a minimal amount in the grand scheme of life and death, we're right to be opening up soon 'It's still 17 too many, you'd feel different if it was someone close to you'. These people are insane. I always always always try to look at other peoples viewpoints, but I really can't see how anyone can think locking down for another year is the answer, it defies all logic.

 

At this point I genuinely believe a lot of those that want lockdown for another few months aren't missing out on anything by being in lockdown, they aren't financially disadvantaged by it, or they're scared shitless because the Goverment and the media have caused them to be.

[OrielCaziado]

4 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

17 deaths today.

 

I've just put the figure in my group chat, a 28 year old healthy lad is saying we've opened up too early and we shouldn't be opening anything up until we've vaccinated everyone twice, because the vaccine isn't 100%. When I said 17 people is a minimal amount in the grand scheme of life and death, we're right to be opening up soon 'It's still 17 too many, you'd feel different if it was someone close to you'. These people are insane. I always always always try to look at other peoples viewpoints, but I really can't see how anyone can think locking down for another year is the answer, it defies all logic.

 

At this point I genuinely believe a lot of those that want lockdown for another few months aren't missing out on anything by being in lockdown, they aren't financially disadvantaged by it, or they're scared shitless because the Goverment and the media have caused them to be.

By his standpoint virtually everything in life should be banned. 
 

Regarding some people liking the lockdown I think you are right. There’s a surprisingly large number of people who like the present system for lots of different reasons.  I personally hate it. I go out five nights  a week on average in a normal times. It’s killing me having to stay in every night. Yet my brother who goes out about five times a year at nights  keeps telling me how there is no lockdown !

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, OrielCaziado said:

By his standpoint virtually everything in life should be banned. 
 

Regarding some people liking the lockdown I think you are right. There’s a surprisingly large number of people who like the present system for lots of different reasons.  I personally hate it. I go out five nights  a week on average in a normal times. It’s killing me having to stay in every night. Yet my brother who goes out about five times a year at nights  keeps telling me how there is no lockdown !

I'm not one of these who thinks we should open everything up now, but the roadmap is pretty fair IMO, but I do think they'll extend social distancing and masks past June, but to keep everything closed for the rest of the year whilst we give everyone both doses defies any sort of logic to rebuilding the country.

 

Sometimes I question whether I'm just being heartless or stupid, so it's good to see others agreeing and disagreeing on here.

 

Yeah, he even said 'we only go out four times a year', so no wonder he doesn't mind the lockdown. For someone like me though, pub, holidays, gym, a social life at work, football every couple of weeks, England cricket matches, meals out every week and just generally being out the house on days off, it's absolute torture staying in all the time.

[FoxesDeb]

As someone who by my own admission has fared pretty well over the last year, I can't see much logic in not opening up according to the roadmap, given how well the UK has done with the vaccination programme. If some folk want to continue to wear their masks there should be no shame in this, but it should be up to individuals. The only place I can think I would maybe wear one by choice would be on a plane, last year must have been the first time ever I didn't catch a cold while flying.

 

For every person who doesn't really miss the socialising out of the house, there are far more who do miss it. At the beginning of lockdown last year I was pretty disengaged from the football for one reason or another, and wasn't even using my season ticket for every home game. It was cold, we were on the TV all the time, and it was easier to stay in with a takeaway. Had I known what was coming I would have made the most of it! But last night I got pretty emotional thinking about what the atmosphere would have been like at the KP, and realising the fans will miss out on at least one trip to Wembley. It's been a really shit year for many, many people, but it's surely time to start to get back to some degree of normality, for the majority of people's sakes, rather than the minority.

 

And yes I know I've moved away, but I'm allowed to be nostalgic about the KP

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

As someone who by my own admission has fared pretty well over the last year, I can't see much logic in not opening up according to the roadmap, given how well the UK has done with the vaccination programme. If some folk want to continue to wear their masks there should be no shame in this, but it should be up to individuals. The only place I can think I would maybe wear one by choice would be on a plane, last year must have been the first time ever I didn't catch a cold while flying.

 

For every person who doesn't really miss the socialising out of the house, there are far more who do miss it. At the beginning of lockdown last year I was pretty disengaged from the football for one reason or another, and wasn't even using my season ticket for every home game. It was cold, we were on the TV all the time, and it was easier to stay in with a takeaway. Had I known what was coming I would have made the most of it! But last night I got pretty emotional thinking about what the atmosphere would have been like at the KP, and realising the fans will miss out on at least one trip to Wembley. It's been a really shit year for many, many people, but it's surely time to start to get back to some degree of normality, for the majority of people's sakes, rather than the minority.

 

And yes I know I've moved away, but I'm allowed to be nostalgic about the KP

Hopefully that will be the case here in the UK, but isn't mainland Europe going through a 3rd wave though? Are they facing restrictions beyond June?

[yorkie1999]

47 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

17 deaths today.

 

I've just put the figure in my group chat, a 28 year old healthy lad is saying we've opened up too early and we shouldn't be opening anything up until we've vaccinated everyone twice, because the vaccine isn't 100%. When I said 17 people is a minimal amount in the grand scheme of life and death, we're right to be opening up soon 'It's still 17 too many, you'd feel different if it was someone close to you'. These people are insane. I always always always try to look at other peoples viewpoints, but I really can't see how anyone can think locking down for another year is the answer, it defies all logic.

 

At this point I genuinely believe a lot of those that want lockdown for another few months aren't missing out on anything by being in lockdown, they aren't financially disadvantaged by it, or they're scared shitless because the Goverment and the media have caused them to be.

Lockdown for life then.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, Parafox said:

Hopefully that will be the case here in the UK, but isn't mainland Europe going through a 3rd wave though? Are they facing restrictions beyond June?

They'll be locked down until the summer IMO, purely because of their low vaccination levels. We've done 44 doses per 100 people, whereas Europe has done 13. I think we should just write off holidays abroad this year and go back to normality in this country, halt all forms of travel if need be, although maybe some exceptions can be made for people who want to visit family elsewhere. Like Deb says, lets get normality back, even if it is only domestically.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

Lockdown for life then.

My postcount would be as high as Stans if we did.

[Corky]

47 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

17 deaths today.

 

I've just put the figure in my group chat, a 28 year old healthy lad is saying we've opened up too early and we shouldn't be opening anything up until we've vaccinated everyone twice, because the vaccine isn't 100%. When I said 17 people is a minimal amount in the grand scheme of life and death, we're right to be opening up soon 'It's still 17 too many, you'd feel different if it was someone close to you'. These people are insane. I always always always try to look at other peoples viewpoints, but I really can't see how anyone can think locking down for another year is the answer, it defies all logic.

 

At this point I genuinely believe a lot of those that want lockdown for another few months aren't missing out on anything by being in lockdown, they aren't financially disadvantaged by it, or they're scared shitless because the Goverment and the media have caused them to be.

I'm in a fortunate position in that I'm still working and I'm bored stiff with it all. Going to work and going home again to not go out is seriously dull. 

 

Locking down for another year isn't correct, practical or fair. If we have to wear masks on public transport or at work, fine. If it allows us to do other things, great. 

 

It's about being sensible and considerate when you're out. Being stuck indoors or having the potential for being fined for going for a walk a few miles away is no way to live at all.

[FoxesDeb]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Hopefully that will be the case here in the UK, but isn't mainland Europe going through a 3rd wave though? Are they facing restrictions beyond June?

Some parts, yes. Spain has already had their third wave and parts of it are coming out the other side. We're not allowed to travel over Easter in the hope we avoid a repeat of the post Christmas spike, and many places are still facing local lockdowns, where I live we have an 11pm curfew but we haven't had a new case for over 2 weeks so we are opening up again but with social distancing. I think, at least here, the hope is to drive cases down enough and vaccinate alongside, to be able to open up to tourists for the summer. I don't think the economy can withstand another year of no tourists. How the other countries will fare though I have no idea.

[Guest Lcfc82]

3 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

That is the theory. Of course, everyone will worry about variants being imported to the UK and that invalidating some/most/all of the vaccines.

 

However, classic Boris to change his tone every few days. The roadmap is very ambitious, why constantly over promise only to downplay it. The next phase or two in March/April seem realistic, but after that May seemed pretty ambitious and June quite frankly ridiculous. No way can all restrictions be removed, even if everything went perfect.

I’d disagree that it’s ridiculous that all restrictions can be removed in June. If we continue to vaccinate and hospitalisations stay low then there’s no reason not to lift restrictions.

What would we be waiting for ? If we can’t lift them this summer when would we ever be able to ?