Coronavirus Thread

[Jimothy]

39 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Some people like to go abroad and travel. Some people don't like to go the pub. It might be fine for you to wait for going abroad but other people are craving it. Could they go natiinally, yes but it might not give them what they need. I guess people also want to feel free again.

 

Would you be OK not going the pub until next year?

 

It's all a fine balancing act but I don't think international travel will happen unless the destination country is deemed "safe" enough.

I think you're missing the point. Going abroad is clearly the biggest freedom and biggest danger of spreading the virus and picking up new strains. Most people aren't travelling abroad everyday or week either. It's all about incremental lifting of restrictions. So I appreciate people love going abroad, but until we get some of the simpler things in life back is there really any point in complaining you can travel to other countries, its pretty obvious that won't be happening any time soon. Surely even the biggest adventure seeker, the biggest travel lover would just like to be able to see their mates or family rather than thinking about trotting off halfway around the world? My sister loves France, and loves taking the kids there to teach them about it, but she comfortable with the fact she'll have to wait. Right now what's more important is that they can go school, see friends, and then as restrictions lift she'll be able to take them places for days out, she'll be able to bring them to see the rest of the family. That right now is more important than a trip to France.

 

I said it in my original post that you can barely leave the house, yet people are asking when they can leave the country, I just can't get my head round it. Technically, unless you're in a bubble, you can't even pop round your neighbours for a cuppa, but apparently it's perfectly understandable for people to ask when they can go to Spain.

Edited 23 March 2021 by Facecloth

[Guest Col city fan]

16 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I think you're missing the point. Going abroad is clearly the biggest freedom and biggest danger of spreading the virus and picking up new strains. Most people aren't travelling abroad everyday or week either. It's all about incremental lifting of restrictions. So I appreciate people love going abroad, but until we get some of the simpler things in life back is there really any point in complaining you can travel to other countries, its pretty obvious that won't be happening any time soon. Surely even the biggest adventure seeker, the biggest travel lover would just like to be able to see their mates or family rather than thinking about trotting off halfway around the world? My sister loves France, and loves taking the kids there to teach them about it, but she comfortable with the fact she'll have to wait. Right now what's more important is that they can go school, see friends, and then as restrictions lift she'll be able to take them places for days out, she'll be able to bring them to see the rest of the family. That right now is more important than a trip to France.

[Innovindil]

The number of workers on company payrolls in the UK climbed by almost 200,000 in the three months to February, amid signs that the jobs market may be stabilising.

 

However, the number on payrolls is still 693,000 lower than last February, before Covid lockdown measures began.

 

Was anyone else expecting much worse than this? Don't get me wrong, it's still an awful amount of people out of work, I just expected it to be higher. Hopefully once things are back open and everyone gets a little rowdy then the jobs will come back. 

 

 

[KrefelderFox666]

22 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

The number of workers on company payrolls in the UK climbed by almost 200,000 in the three months to February, amid signs that the jobs market may be stabilising.

 

However, the number on payrolls is still 693,000 lower than last February, before Covid lockdown measures began.

 

Was anyone else expecting much worse than this? Don't get me wrong, it's still an awful amount of people out of work, I just expected it to be higher. Hopefully once things are back open and everyone gets a little rowdy then the jobs will come back. 

 

 

I think the various government schemes have helped to keep people in employment, especially self-employed people in the hospitality industry. However, I don't think the real effects of that will show for a couple of years. Once the funding dries up and the various loans need to be paid back, it is hard to forecast how those people will cope. FIngers crossed business picks up over the next few years again and they can thrive again. It may just be that profits in those sectors are much lower than maybe hoped but as long as those people can survive and stay in business, that would be a result.

[RoboFox]

Funny how all the people the sceptics insisted were dying "with Covid, not from Covid" seem to have miraculously stopped dying from other causes now there is so much less Covid around.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

4 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Funny how all the people the sceptics insisted were dying "with Covid, not from Covid" seem to have miraculously stopped dying from other causes now there is so much less Covid around.

Deaths from all causes dropped below the 5 year average in the last week or so, I'll try and dig out the numbers. 

[bovril]

Just now, RoboFox said:

Funny how all the people the sceptics insisted were dying "with Covid, not from Covid" seem to have miraculously stopped dying from other causes now there is so much less Covid around.

Bus drivers are being much more careful these months. 

[Stevosevic]

3 hours ago, Facecloth said:

I think you're missing the point. Going abroad is clearly the biggest freedom and biggest danger of spreading the virus and picking up new strains. Most people aren't travelling abroad everyday or week either. It's all about incremental lifting of restrictions. So I appreciate people love going abroad, but until we get some of the simpler things in life back is there really any point in complaining you can travel to other countries, its pretty obvious that won't be happening any time soon. Surely even the biggest adventure seeker, the biggest travel lover would just like to be able to see their mates or family rather than thinking about trotting off halfway around the world? My sister loves France, and loves taking the kids there to teach them about it, but she comfortable with the fact she'll have to wait. Right now what's more important is that they can go school, see friends, and then as restrictions lift she'll be able to take them places for days out, she'll be able to bring them to see the rest of the family. That right now is more important than a trip to France.

 

I said it in my original post that you can barely leave the house, yet people are asking when they can leave the country, I just can't get my head round it. Technically, unless you're in a bubble, you can't even pop round your neighbours for a cuppa, but apparently it's perfectly understandable for people to ask when they can go to Spain.

I agree on the whole but don't forget a lot of people have family and friends that live in other countries - not everyone lives in touching distance of their people. 

 

I can see why it is very very important to people. 

[Jimothy]

6 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I agree on the whole but don't forget a lot of people have family and friends that live in other countries - not everyone lives in touching distance of their people. 

 

I can see why it is very very important to people. 

Oh yeah I totally get that, but I'm not talking about those people clearly. But at the end of the day, I haven't seen family in Yorkshire since before Christmas, we're all missing people. Luckily I will be able to soon and that's great. Were they abroad its something I'd have to live with until international travel is possible. It sad for those people, but lets get life back to normal here before we start even thinking about gallivanting around the world for whatever reason. But my original post was in response to someone talking about a foreign holiday, which I hope most people can agree is ridiculous to even think about right now.

[KrefelderFox666]

3 hours ago, Facecloth said:

I think you're missing the point. Going abroad is clearly the biggest freedom and biggest danger of spreading the virus and picking up new strains. Most people aren't travelling abroad everyday or week either. It's all about incremental lifting of restrictions. So I appreciate people love going abroad, but until we get some of the simpler things in life back is there really any point in complaining you can travel to other countries, its pretty obvious that won't be happening any time soon. Surely even the biggest adventure seeker, the biggest travel lover would just like to be able to see their mates or family rather than thinking about trotting off halfway around the world? My sister loves France, and loves taking the kids there to teach them about it, but she comfortable with the fact she'll have to wait. Right now what's more important is that they can go school, see friends, and then as restrictions lift she'll be able to take them places for days out, she'll be able to bring them to see the rest of the family. That right now is more important than a trip to France.

 

I said it in my original post that you can barely leave the house, yet people are asking when they can leave the country, I just can't get my head round it. Technically, unless you're in a bubble, you can't even pop round your neighbours for a cuppa, but apparently it's perfectly understandable for people to ask when they can go to Spain.

Agree that there is a danger to travelling abroad, however, that doesn't mean people aren't entitled to ask. People have been asking about pubs for months, just as non-essential. Why shoot them down for asking? As poster above says, a lot of people in the UK have family abroad (myself included). I haven't seen them since January 2020. My grandma lives on her own and she hasn't seen my mum for a fair while which would happen 3 or 4 times a year, we take our young kids over twice a year to see her. It's not too much to ask when people can go abroad is it? I have booked a few flights already but with the knowledge that if it is not possible, we won't go. We were due to celebrate my grandma's 80th next month but of course had to cancel that. Not a big deal but it is nice to plan and get excited to see family who I haven't seen face to face in at least 18 months by the time we return.

 

The above is more important to me than going the pub. If I want a drink or to see friends, not long until we can do that in gardens/public spaces. And yes, seeing immediate families/friends within the local region is number 1 priority and we are very close. I just don't like the fact you are telling people what they can ask about and what they should keep quiet about. Just understand not everyone is the same and has the same infrastructure around them.

[KrefelderFox666]

6 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Oh yeah I totally get that, but I'm not talking about those people clearly. But at the end of the day, I haven't seen family in Yorkshire since before Christmas, we're all missing people. Luckily I will be able to soon and that's great. Were they abroad its something I'd have to live with until international travel is possible. It sad for those people, but lets get life back to normal here before we start even thinking about gallivanting around the world for whatever reason. But my original post was in response to someone talking about a foreign holiday, which I hope most people can agree is ridiculous to even think about right now.

Crossed over a bit with my last post and seems we are mostly on the same page.

[Jimothy]

2 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Agree that there is a danger to travelling abroad, however, that doesn't mean people aren't entitled to ask. People have been asking about pubs for months, just as non-essential. Why shoot them down for asking? As poster above says, a lot of people in the UK have family abroad (myself included). I haven't seen them since January 2020. My grandma lives on her own and she hasn't seen my mum for a fair while which would happen 3 or 4 times a year, we take our young kids over twice a year to see her. It's not too much to ask when people can go abroad is it? I have booked a few flights already but with the knowledge that if it is not possible, we won't go. We were due to celebrate my grandma's 80th next month but of course had to cancel that. Not a big deal but it is nice to plan and get excited to see family who I haven't seen face to face in at least 18 months by the time we return.

 

The above is more important to me than going the pub. If I want a drink or to see friends, not long until we can do that in gardens/public spaces. And yes, seeing immediate families/friends within the local region is number 1 priority and we are very close. I just don't like the fact you are telling people what they can ask about and what they should keep quiet about. Just understand not everyone is the same and has the same infrastructure around them.

But surely you can see the lifting of restrictions will be incremental. So asking about when you can leave the country when you can't even pop next door seems nonsensical. I think we have to bide our time. I feel for people living abroad who haven't see family for over a year, but sadly its the way it has to be. I'm not comparing seeing family abroad with going to the pub etc, I'm just saying, that's quite a basic thing you can do on a daily basis, along with visiting peoples houses or going to a shop or a football match, and we're months away from doing some of those things, so to even contemplate if we can leaving the country yet seems madness.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

But surely you can see the lifting of restrictions will be incremental. So asking about when you can leave the country when you can't even pop next door seems nonsensical. I think we have to bide our time. I feel for people living abroad who haven't see family for over a year, but sadly its the way it has to be. I'm not comparing seeing family abroad with going to the pub etc, I'm just saying, that's quite a basic thing you can do on a daily basis, along with visiting peoples houses or going to a shop or a football match, and we're months away from doing some of those things, so to even contemplate if we can leaving the country yet seems madness.

Only speaking for myself here, but I've been out here for a while now and am entirely happy to be patient about things being safe before getting on a plane anywhere, much less back to the UK.

[KrefelderFox666]

13 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

But surely you can see the lifting of restrictions will be incremental. So asking about when you can leave the country when you can't even pop next door seems nonsensical. I think we have to bide our time. I feel for people living abroad who haven't see family for over a year, but sadly its the way it has to be. I'm not comparing seeing family abroad with going to the pub etc, I'm just saying, that's quite a basic thing you can do on a daily basis, along with visiting peoples houses or going to a shop or a football match, and we're months away from doing some of those things, so to even contemplate if we can leaving the country yet seems madness.

Agreed. I would be annoyed if we still cannot go back to the KP with at least 50-75% of capacity but we can travel to anywhere in the world where the risks are much higher of causing a surge in cases/variants. However, it looks like sense is prevailing finally with the government and it will be national opening first. Which makes complete sense. I am sure there will be more guidance on international travel come 12th April. Pretty evident that foreign travel is unlikely over the summer, although surely a trip to Israel is on the cards!

[dsr-burnley]

8 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Pretty evident that foreign travel is unlikely over the summer, although surely a trip to Israel is on the cards!

Or the USA.

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

Christ, at this point AZ might as well adopt the skull and crossbones as its sigil.
PR nightmare from start to finish.

[reynard]

3 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I think the various government schemes have helped to keep people in employment, especially self-employed people in the hospitality industry. However, I don't think the real effects of that will show for a couple of years. Once the funding dries up and the various loans need to be paid back, it is hard to forecast how those people will cope. FIngers crossed business picks up over the next few years again and they can thrive again. It may just be that profits in those sectors are much lower than maybe hoped but as long as those people can survive and stay in business, that would be a result.

This is the nub of it really. I spoke to one of my customers yesterday. He's surviving but the loans from the Government are set to need to be repaid soon and 70% of his customers are still shut, some have closed for good, and he doesn't know how many will reopen, in what state or with what staff.

We're a long long way from being out the other side yet. If people continue to work from home and continue to buy stuff mainly online there will need to be taxes on internet purchases or the high street and the millions of jobs that depend upon it will be largely finished.

There has to be a chance that businesses are being artificially propped up. I have some customers in the tourism and leisure sector who have not been open since the end of October 2019 and have had no revenueto speak of since then either.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

 

[Guest Col city fan]

Boris really is bumbling tonight! Looks well out of sorts..

Edit.. he’s warmed up

Edited 23 March 2021 by Col city fan

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Only speaking for myself here, but I've been out here for a while now and am entirely happy to be patient about things being safe before getting on a plane anywhere, much less back to the UK.

Amen to that 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Hospital admissions down to 373 today.

[Sampson]

7 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Agree that there is a danger to travelling abroad, however, that doesn't mean people aren't entitled to ask. People have been asking about pubs for months, just as non-essential. Why shoot them down for asking? As poster above says, a lot of people in the UK have family abroad (myself included). I haven't seen them since January 2020. My grandma lives on her own and she hasn't seen my mum for a fair while which would happen 3 or 4 times a year, we take our young kids over twice a year to see her. It's not too much to ask when people can go abroad is it? I have booked a few flights already but with the knowledge that if it is not possible, we won't go. We were due to celebrate my grandma's 80th next month but of course had to cancel that. Not a big deal but it is nice to plan and get excited to see family who I haven't seen face to face in at least 18 months by the time we return.

 

The above is more important to me than going the pub. If I want a drink or to see friends, not long until we can do that in gardens/public spaces. And yes, seeing immediate families/friends within the local region is number 1 priority and we are very close. I just don't like the fact you are telling people what they can ask about and what they should keep quiet about. Just understand not everyone is the same and has the same infrastructure around them.

I feel the same. Haven't seen my sister since December 2019 which was the last time I travelled abroad.

 

It's easy to bat off people asking about overseas travel as just people wanting a holiday in the sun. But there's probably millions in the UK who have friends or family living abroad they havent seen face to face or given a hug to in well over a year.

 

I totally understand *why* it's that way, but to have a go at people asking is unfair. To me either me being able to travel to Spain or my sister being able to travel back to the UK is a much more important milestone than just having a drink in a pub or whatever and one I'm much more interested in wondering about when it can happen again.

Edited 23 March 2021 by Sampson

[Ian Nacho]

I do find it somewhat baffling that on the news we’re told that vaccines are 100% effective for preventing serious illness and now that half of the adult population are partially vaccinated and the most vulnerable are starting to get fully vaccinated but we still can’t do fvck all.  

[StanSP]

15 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Hospital admissions down to 373 today.

Only 5,461 in total and 748 on ventilators.

Lowest it's been since October.

 

That's 0.0082% and 0.0011% of the population respectively. 

 

2,495 cases yesterday. Lowest since mid-September.

0.0037% of the population. Not seeing any wave after schools opened up as many predicted.

 

 

 

[Dr Marco]