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18 hours ago, Harrydc said:

The government decides where I can go. 

 

The government decides what I can and can't wear. 

 

The government decides if I can see my family or not. 

 

The government decides if I can see my friends or not. 

 

The 'police have powers to break up unlawful gatherings'. 

 

I don't need fancy words to back up my views @Line-X

 

It's right in front of your eyes. If that doesn't sound 'totalitarian' to you then what does it sound like? 

 

For our own good?

 

Because let me tell you now - it's not done me any good. 

 

eh. Totalitarian is when a ruling body can't be voted out because there's no opposition allowed. You could vote Labour in the next election if you wanted to.

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1 minute ago, DennisNedry said:

You all realise the reason deaths are currently so low is due to the measures (i.e vaccines and lockdown) we've endured over the past 4 months or so. Both of which you disagree with @Harrydc

 

Boris Johnson literally said last week that it's not the vaccination programme which has caused this decrease in deaths and hospitalisations - 'it's the lockdown' . 

 

His words, not mine. So, I'm believing he's preparing us for 'lockdown 4'. Why are they forcing the vaccine on us if is hasn't contributed? Why the talk of vaccine passports? 

 

I wasn't against the lockdown at first. By that, I mean March 2020. 

 

But a year on, and the prospect of going into another one.. Yes I'm 100% against them. As for vaccines, I don't disagree with them but I don't feel people should have their freedoms removed for choosing not to put something experemental into their body which is still in trials until 2023. 

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It would have to take something bloody catastrophic to get another lockdown. Genuinely I think it'd take deaths moving up to 100 a day to get it to happen. 

As I've noted before, the hardest part now is readjusting to everything. We've spent long enough getting used to one way of life that it's going to be weird going back. Another couple of years before we all feel "normal" again, by which point we'll probably look back and go "was it really only 18 months?"

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50 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Boris Johnson literally said last week that it's not the vaccination programme which has caused this decrease in deaths and hospitalisations - 'it's the lockdown' . 

 

His words, not mine. So, I'm believing he's preparing us for 'lockdown 4'. Why are they forcing the vaccine on us if is hasn't contributed? Why the talk of vaccine passports? 

 

I wasn't against the lockdown at first. By that, I mean March 2020. 

 

But a year on, and the prospect of going into another one.. Yes I'm 100% against them. As for vaccines, I don't disagree with them but I don't feel people should have their freedoms removed for choosing not to put something experemental into their body which is still in trials until 2023. 

Yeah he did say that, but he was (partly) wrong. Lockdown had the bigger impact purely because it takes ages to roll out a vaccination programme so it only started making a noticeable impact recently. But now we're through the 'vulnerable' cohorts and will reach all adults in summer, combined with boosters for the vulnerable annually to cover off variants, vaccines will ensure Covid becomes a seasonal disease like flu that we just 'get on with'.

 

For me on the vaccines, I never really question medical professionals. I've had the flu jab and never questioned it. I had MMR and never questioned it. My pregnant wife just had her whooping cough vaccine and we didn't question it. You might argue the Covid vaccine was developed very quickly but if it's approved by our medical regulators, that's good enough for me. Maybe you think I'm a sheep for saying that. 

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1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

Boris Johnson literally said last week that it's not the vaccination programme which has caused this decrease in deaths and hospitalisations - 'it's the lockdown' . 

 

His words, not mine. So, I'm believing he's preparing us for 'lockdown 4'. Why are they forcing the vaccine on us if is hasn't contributed? Why the talk of vaccine passports? 

 

I wasn't against the lockdown at first. By that, I mean March 2020. 

 

But a year on, and the prospect of going into another one.. Yes I'm 100% against them. As for vaccines, I don't disagree with them but I don't feel people should have their freedoms removed for choosing not to put something experemental into their body which is still in trials until 2023. 

Do you believe everything you hear, no less from a politician?

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1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Do you believe everything you hear, no less from a politician?

No, I don't believe anything I hear as I don't believe it's about a virus anymore as previously stated. 

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22 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

No, I don't believe anything I hear as I don't believe it's about a virus anymore as previously stated. 

But you just believed what Johnson said and have presumed this now means a 4th lockdown?

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2 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

It would have to take something bloody catastrophic to get another lockdown. Genuinely I think it'd take deaths moving up to 100 a day to get it to happen. 

As I've noted before, the hardest part now is readjusting to everything. We've spent long enough getting used to one way of life that it's going to be weird going back. Another couple of years before we all feel "normal" again, by which point we'll probably look back and go "was it really only 18 months?"

No chance we lockdown with 100 deaths average ....  would need to be accelerating beyond 250/300 in tandem with too many hospitalisations for them to do it.  And unless things go terribly awry, that won’t happen

 

 Israel removed the masks outside restrictions today ....

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29 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

33 deaths today, 1973 patients in hospital, 318 on ventilators, 33m first doses in total now, 10,4m second doses.

 

We should have all of the first four priority groups (15m or so) given a second dose by the end of next week.

Slight increase in cases today on a weekly comparison but still great news, now that a good chunk of kids are back school and being tested regularly. No huge increase with 10% more testing in today’s figures 

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2 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I presume the new pill will be one that can be crushed up as not everyone can take a pill whole if they have swallowing problems?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56812118

 

 However it is better than nothing of-course!
 

They’d have no problem if it meant being able to drink all evening without falling over ! 

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3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Not sure how true the story I was told is then but I know someone who works for the NHS and they said 30 of their patients had died from Covid even after 2 vaccines. I wasn’t given a timeframe or much other info but still.

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6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Not sure how true the story I was told is then but I know someone who works for the NHS and they said 30 of their patients had died from Covid even after 2 vaccines. I wasn’t given a timeframe or much other info but still.

Seems unlikely seeing how low the death rate has been lately and how relatively recently we started on the second dose for the vaccine. 

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1 hour ago, rachhere said:

Seems unlikely seeing how low the death rate has been lately and how relatively recently we started on the second dose for the vaccine. 

I would assume it’s since the second vaccine was given so not that low.

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8 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

I would assume it’s since the second vaccine was given so not that low.

The headline 32 is people who died 3 weeks or later after the vaccine, it excludes those who had 'just' been vaccinated then got Covid.

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