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2 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I presume the new pill will be one that can be crushed up as not everyone can take a pill whole if they have swallowing problems?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56812118

 

 However it is better than nothing of-course!
 

They’d have no problem if it meant being able to drink all evening without falling over ! 

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3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Not sure how true the story I was told is then but I know someone who works for the NHS and they said 30 of their patients had died from Covid even after 2 vaccines. I wasn’t given a timeframe or much other info but still.

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6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Not sure how true the story I was told is then but I know someone who works for the NHS and they said 30 of their patients had died from Covid even after 2 vaccines. I wasn’t given a timeframe or much other info but still.

Seems unlikely seeing how low the death rate has been lately and how relatively recently we started on the second dose for the vaccine. 

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1 hour ago, DennisNedry said:

The headline 32 is people who died 3 weeks or later after the vaccine, it excludes those who had 'just' been vaccinated then got Covid.

Yeah i know that, the person who told me implied my info to be the same but I think they have got it wrong. 

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1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

With all the shite going on in football these last couple of days it's been great to genuinely forget about coronavirus temporarily.

I know what you're saying, but I think more people tested positive around the world yesterday than at any time during the pandemic.

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12 hours ago, bovril said:

I know what you're saying, but I think more people tested positive around the world yesterday than at any time during the pandemic.

That is of course bad, but with proper border enforcement and red listing of the effected countries, it really shouldn't be a concern to us here with our highly vaccinated population. 

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1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

That is of course bad, but with proper border enforcement and red listing of the effected countries, it really shouldn't be a concern to us here with our highly vaccinated population. 

Not so. We still need to take great care. 50% have had their first shot, many have had no vaccine dose at all - so immunology tells us that actually, currently only a small number of people would have adequate protection if at all some of these nastier variants took a hold in this country. If they form a cluster, we don't identify this in time through track and trace or surge testing, there could be some serious outbreaks which then spread. Effective quarantine of international travel is essential and if we do want to emerge from this as planned, continued vigilance, indoor social distancing and hygiene measures are essential. I fear the UK population will throw caution to the wind again this summer, that vaccination and lateral flow testing creates a false sense of security. 

 

I really want out of this (as we all do) and in order to do so people need to be fully cognisant of the threats and continue to manage - not disregard - the risks. If they don't - and flagrantly flout guidelines, we lead ourselves straight back into trouble. 

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39 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

 

The really really clever expert people that were amplifying these sorts of things a year ago was fine in the sense that so much was uncertain and caution was advisable until more could be known. But as the thread notes, it’s this incessant ‘must warn about risk of bad thing’ (people know full well what they’re doing when they say ‘double mutant variants’) and rarely revisit anything/amplify anything not anxiety-inducing is. There’s going to be a lot of empty people (Fake SAGE twitterers for example) when this is all subsided and people stop paying any attention to what they have to say because the world’s moved on, albeit there will be a new group of people that pounce on the topic of the moment to get their time in the sun for a bit. 


 

As an aside, I came across a woman in the street today who shouted from a way away to tell me to stop so she could manoeuvre herself to be able to keep more than 2 metres away whilst shouting “You’ve got to keep your distance”. Idk her back story, maybe her whole family has been wiped out by it, but Jesus Christ how do these people function in society. The last ONS stats saying 1 in 500 have it, she’s had at least 1 dose and it was outside. 

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1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

The really really clever expert people that were amplifying these sorts of things a year ago was fine in the sense that so much was uncertain and caution was advisable until more could be known. But as the thread notes, it’s this incessant ‘must warn about risk of bad thing’ (people know full well what they’re doing when they say ‘double mutant variants’) and rarely revisit anything/amplify anything not anxiety-inducing is. There’s going to be a lot of empty people (Fake SAGE twitterers for example) when this is all subsided and people stop paying any attention to what they have to say because the world’s moved on, albeit there will be a new group of people that pounce on the topic of the moment to get their time in the sun for a bit. 


 

As an aside, I came across a woman in the street today who shouted from a way away to tell me to stop so she could manoeuvre herself to be able to keep more than 2 metres away whilst shouting “You’ve got to keep your distance”. Idk her back story, maybe her whole family has been wiped out by it, but Jesus Christ how do these people function in society. The last ONS stats saying 1 in 500 have it, she’s had at least 1 dose and it was outside. 

The appropriate response is to call back "sorry I can't quite hear what you are saying love" as you walk faster and directly towards her.  Perhaps even a gentle jog!

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Just now, Jon the Hat said:

The appropriate response is to call back "sorry I can't quite hear what you are saying love" as you walk faster and directly towards her.  Perhaps even a gentle jog!

Also for people at the supermarket who tell you to back off from 3 metres away.  Taking a few steps closer, leaning in and saying "sorry what" usually shuts them up :)

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9 hours ago, Line-X said:

Not so. We still need to take great care. 50% have had their first shot, many have had no vaccine dose at all - so immunology tells us that actually, currently only a small number of people would have adequate protection if at all some of these nastier variants took a hold in this country. If they form a cluster, we don't identify this in time through track and trace or surge testing, there could be some serious outbreaks which then spread. Effective quarantine of international travel is essential and if we do want to emerge from this as planned, continued vigilance, indoor social distancing and hygiene measures are essential. I fear the UK population will throw caution to the wind again this summer, that vaccination and lateral flow testing creates a false sense of security. 

 

I really want out of this (as we all do) and in order to do so people need to be fully cognisant of the threats and continue to manage - not disregard - the risks. If they don't - and flagrantly flout guidelines, we lead ourselves straight back into trouble. 

We pretty much threw caution to the wind last summer and nothing bad happened for months, until October time. So can't we just do the same again this year (starting in a couple of months when the vast majority of the adult population is vaccinated) and let the vaccinations do their job when cases start rising in late Autumn? I.e. keep hospitalisations and deaths at the level one would expect annually from flu?  By the middle of September every adult should in theory have had both doses, and the vulnerable can start getting their boosters. 

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1 hour ago, DennisNedry said:

We pretty much threw caution to the wind last summer and nothing bad happened for months, until October time. So can't we just do the same again this year (starting in a couple of months when the vast majority of the adult population is vaccinated) and let the vaccinations do their job when cases start rising in late Autumn? I.e. keep hospitalisations and deaths at the level one would expect annually from flu?  By the middle of September every adult should in theory have had both doses, and the vulnerable can start getting their boosters. 

Could happen 

 

but they aren’t going to tell you this in case it doesn’t .....

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Brazil’s ‘rapid and violent’ Covid variant devastates Latin America

Expert says global leaders must not ignore Brazil, which is ‘brewing variants left, right and centre’

 

As a coronavirus variant traced to the Brazilian Amazon marauded through Peru’s coastal capital last month, Rommel Heredia raced to his local hospital to seek help for his brother, mother and father.

“I said goodbye and promised I’d come back to take them home,” said the 47-year-old PE teacher, his voice muffled by two black masks pulled tightly over his face.

 

Heredia was unable to fulfil his pledge. Three days later, his 52-year-old brother, Juan Carlos, died as he waited for a bed in intensive care at the Rebagliati public hospital in Lima. The next day he lost his 80-year-old mother, Vilma, who suffered a fatal brain inflammation doctors blamed on Covid-19. Four days later his father, Jorge, passed away.

“The truth is, the pain’s just too great. I can’t come to terms with it,” Heredia said on Sunday as Peru suffered its heaviest day of Covid losses and fears mounted over how new variants might have rejuvenated the pandemic that has already killed more than 3 million people worldwide.

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Similar sentiments of incredulity and despair are being voiced across Latin America as the apparently more contagious P1 variant linked to Brazil makes an already shattering Covid crisis somehow even worse. Nearly 1 million Latin American lives have been lost here since the region’s first Covid case was detected in February 2020, and the pandemic is now accelerating again in countries including Argentina, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and Uruguay, with many convinced the Brazilian variant bears much of the blame.

“The Brazilian variant has reached virtually all regions,” Peru’s health minister, Óscar Ugarte, warned in early April as his country was plunged into the most deadly phase of what was already one of the worst outbreaks on Earth.

Ester Sabino, a Brazilian scientist who is tracking the P1 variant’s spread, said phylogenic analysis suggested it had emerged in the second half of November somewhere near Manaus, a sultry riverside metropolis in Brazil’s Amazon. Weeks later, Manaus made global headlines after its hospitals were overwhelmed by a sudden deluge of patients for which they were catastrophically unprepared. “What we’re watching is a complete massacre,” one local health worker told the Guardian at the time, as hospitals ran out of oxygen and patients asphyxiated.

Until Manaus’s collapse, which coincided with the emergence of similar variants in England and South Africa, Sabino had been hopeful Brazil’s outbreak might gradually be brought under control in 2021, as vaccination gained pace. But authorities failed to isolate the city and stop the variant spreading.

 

By February, Araraquara, a city 1,500 miles south in São Paulo state, had been forced into lockdown by an explosion of infections linked to P1. Hospitals across Brazil reported being inundated with Covid patients, many disturbingly young, and Brazil’s death toll nearly doubled, from just over 195,000 at the start of January to 380,000 now. By March, the variant, which has now been detected in eight South American countries, was invading Brazil’s neighbours, too: sweeping west into the Peruvian Amazon, leapfrogging the Andes, and laying siege to Lima, more than 1,300 miles to Manaus’s south-west.

“It’s not just a much more contagious variant but it also increases the levels of reinfection, which reduces the efficacy of vaccines,” said Antonio Quispe, a Peruvian epidemiologist who said P1’s “rapid and violent” spread was dire news for the region.

With fears over how some new variants might dodge vaccine protection, governments have tightened travel restrictions and closed borders. France recently suspended all flights to Brazil as a result of what the prime minister, Jean Castex, called its “absolutely dramatic” epidemic.

 

“The Europeans are right to be afraid about what is happening in Brazil,” said Marcos Boulos, an infectious disease specialist from the University of São Paulo who said uncontrolled outbreaks such as Brazil’s provided the ideal breeding grounds for variants. “The more transmission there is, the more variants appear … The situation is very, very serious,” Boulos said.

This week the British government added India – which is witnessing a ferocious surge in cases – to its travel red list amid growing concern over the B.1.617 variant found there. A world record 314,835 infections were reported there on Thursday, with the prime minister, Narendra Modi, comparing the crisis to a storm.

 

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Miguel Nicolelis, a Brazilian scientist who has become one of the most outspoken critics of president Jair Bolsonaro’s denialist Covid response, said government inaction had helped turn Latin America’s most populous nation into a global coronavirus threat. “Brazil is like a brewery and it’s brewing variants left, right and centre,” Nicolelis said, warning that while some mutations might hamper the virus’s ability to spread, others might could make it even more transmissible or lethal.

Nicolelis said the situation in India, which has 1.3 billion citizens, a population nearly seven times larger than Brazil’s, was even more troubling. “Things can happen even faster there. They are paving the way for an explosion of mutations … It’s frightening,” he said, calling for a global strategy of vaccination and sequencing to tackle the problem.

“Countries like Brazil and India can’t just be treated as global pariahs and abandoned. They need to be helped – because it’s not just their problem, it is the world’s,” Nicolelis said, adding that a similar lack of Covid control had also spawned the B117 variant in the UK.

Heredia was not sure which variant had been responsible for killing his family, although the government has said 40% of cases in Lima are now linked to P1. But he had no doubts over the scale of the calamity gripping his country, where a record 433 deaths last Sunday took Peru’s official total to more than 57,000.

“There are 30 patients [in the queue for ICU] before your brother and they’re prioritising younger patients,” Heredia recalled a doctor telling him after his sibling was admitted on the third Friday of March. Juan Carlos never made it out of the emergency ward, where he died three days later from pneumonia and pneumothorax complications.

“People are dying because they can’t get ICU beds,” Heredia said. “This is like war”.

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