Coronavirus Thread

[FoxesDeb]

@HarrydcDo you talk to many other people about this? I am genuinely interested in how you form your views, all of us are swayed by what we read and who we talk to, so I wonder where you get your information from that leads you to your beliefs?

 

I asked before but you didn't reply, do you really, truly believe that every world leader secretly got together and decided to orchestrate a man made pandemic to try and 'bring us all under control'? And they managed all this in secret, without another living soul knowing who could blow the whistle? Honestly it blows my mind that you could seriously think this is possible, so maybe I've misunderstood you, but I think that is what you are saying...

[Izzy]

It's that Greta wotsit ain't it that created the virus so we'd all stop travelling and reduce the carbon ozone init.

 

Fair play to her - it worked 

[Innovindil]

6 minutes ago, Izzy said:

It's that Greta wotsit ain't it that created the virus so we'd all stop travelling and reduce the carbon ozone init.

 

Fair play to her - it worked 

Izzy using the term wotsit in a negative context. They've corrupted you. 

[StanSP]

Just now, Innovindil said:

Izzy using the term wotsit in a negative context. They've corrupted you. 

All those world leaders planned for this moment! 

[Shane]

I don't think @Harrydc is wrong to question the mainstream media? It's good to question things. Look what happened the other day, a CNN technical director caught talking about how they manipulate the news for better ratings & how 'fear sells' (videos below).

 

Now there is a fine line between questioning the mainstream media and completely dismissing everything they say which is what I think people struggle with.

 

 

 

 

[fox_up_north]

On this, somewhat tangential now, debate about totalitarianism. I wouldn't say either of the following are examples but I will share second hand experiences.

 

1 - A family member (white and tall) working in Hong Kong for the past 2 years, who I have seen once on his return, talking about how the city has changed since Beijing took over. He's given something of a free pass due to being white and seen as something of a money pot, given they apparently still quite value western money. But the change over the last year for people on the ground sounds particularly disgraceful and edging towards what Line-X notes as totalitarianism. We've literally just seen the leader of their newspaper sentenced to jail for protesting. That's a huge thing. 

2 - an acquaintance (also white and average height for a westerner) has been in Myanmar since about 2018. I saw him posting on facebook at the start of the military coup that he was fine but he'd be quiet for a while. He hasn't surfaced much since. We all assume he's ok as it'd probably be big news if he was arrested or killed but he's only really posted twice since March - a big change. Again, that's a military coup that is suppressing voices of people and shooting them in the streets. 

I've seen first hand how some mainland Chinese students are visibly shellshocked when they see what we can do in Britain. They appear to be a mix of excited, mortified and confused. In many ways, I am absolutely amazed that China allows them to move to what is a reasonably liberal country.

[String fellow]

14 hours ago, Line-X said:

 It's the BBC ffs. Just disregard it then. So why quote it?  I'll answer that for you. Because you can draw from it more of your increasingly hysterical conclusions and irrational non-sequiturs. 

 

And let's face it, given that you actually think you are living in a "totalitarian" state, you would think that wouldn't you? 

Are there any other types of non sequiturs apart from irrational ones? Btw, I love it when things get a bit heated here!

[Leicester_Loyal]

Lad I know who lives in Rotherham told me that his local pubs are still doing the 10pm curfew because the council has deemed it necessary

[yorkie1999]

How is this happening, are there simply no controls at our borders. There's 200000 cases a day in india and they are not on a red list. Every country should be required to quarantine if they come to this country, especially if their bring over versions of the virus that our vaccines have little effect against.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-double-mutation-variant-arrives-in-britain-and-has-hallmarks-of-very-dangerous-virus-12276922

[bovril]

8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

How is this happening, are there simply no controls at our borders. There's 200000 cases a day in india and they are not on a red list. Every country should be required to quarantine if they come to this country, especially if their bring over versions of the virus that our vaccines have little effect against.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-double-mutation-variant-arrives-in-britain-and-has-hallmarks-of-very-dangerous-virus-12276922

Just keep sanitising your hands when you go into Primark and we'll all be fine....

[Soup]

17 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

How is this happening, are there simply no controls at our borders. There's 200000 cases a day in india and they are not on a red list. Every country should be required to quarantine if they come to this country, especially if their bring over versions of the virus that our vaccines have little effect against.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-double-mutation-variant-arrives-in-britain-and-has-hallmarks-of-very-dangerous-virus-12276922

Oh no let's panic again. 200.000 cases detected on Wednesday but they fail to mention Ithe population of India is 1.3 billion.

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, Soup said:

Oh no let's panic again. 200.000 cases detected on Wednesday but they fail to mention Ithe population of India is 1.3 billion.

Nothing to do with it, it's raw data that counts.

[Soup]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Nothing to do with it, it's raw data that counts.

Haha ok

[Zear0]

6 minutes ago, Soup said:

Haha ok

Not sure the virus is aware of what proportion of humanity is infected.  The more absolute cases, the more chance of variants mutating that are going to be less effective against our current vaccines.  I'd suggest 200k cases in a population of 1.3 billion is more of a concern than 1 case in a population of 1 with respect to impact on our own campaign against the virus.

 

I do agree that not having India, and many other countries, not on the red list is pretty appalling.  Not sure reading your posts if you agree on that or not?

[filbertway]

Do any other countries keep daily data totals like we do. I wanted to look at how many tests we're carrying out per person than other countries, but I'm struggling to find any data on testing.

[filbertway]

EU unlikely to renew AstraZeneca jab orders, minister says

It is unlikely that the European Union (EU) will continue to purchase the Oxford-AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccines next year, a French official says

 

Not that anything one of these people say should be taken seriously, but I find it quite funny after all the crying and nazi like banning of exports. They're now not that bothered

 

[Soup]

3 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Not sure the virus is aware of what proportion of humanity is infected.  The more absolute cases, the more chance of variants mutating that are going to be less effective against our current vaccines.  I'd suggest 200k cases in a population of 1.3 billion is more of a concern than 1 case in a population of 1 with respect to impact on our own campaign against the virus.

 

I do agree that not having India, and many other countries, not on the red list is pretty appalling.  Not sure reading your posts if you agree on that or not?

Mate I don't give a **** about any of it anymore. If the Indian variant concerns you then fine but I'm past caring .I'll not be alarmed by some mutant variant. The next one could come from Chernobyl for all I care. 

 

None of these variants seem to be disproportionately killing more in each of the country's they originate in. But hey I'm not very clever like some of you on here clearly are. 

 

 

 

 

[Zear0]

Just now, Soup said:

Mate I don't give a **** about any of it anymore. If the Indian variant concerns you then fine but I'm past caring .I'll not be alarmed by some mutant variant. The next one could come from Chernobyl for all I care. 

 

None of these variants seem to be disproportionately killing more in each of the country's they originate in. But hey I'm not very clever like some of you on here clearly are. 

 

 

 

 

All I care about is getting my life back to normal as I'm sure you are too.  I'm not "alarmed", I just don't want to have another year of this s**te and the only way to do this is ensure that we reduce the risk of variants likely to be resistant to the vaccines we've so brilliant administered to a large amount of the population.

[SpacedX]

2 hours ago, Shane said:

I don't think @Harrydc is wrong to question the mainstream media? It's good to question things. 

 

I don't think that anyone on here is suggesting that he is - and yes we must always be questioning our sources of information. Unfortunately the same objective critical appraisal and scrutiny doesn't seem to apply to social media, populist opinion and online conspiracy theory by those that parrot it. 

[SpacedX]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Lad I know who lives in Rotherham told me that his local pubs are still doing the 10pm curfew because the council has deemed it necessary

I wonder if they'll be shot in the street or disappear without a trace if they transgress it? 

[Soup]

8 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

All I care about is getting my life back to normal as I'm sure you are too.  I'm not "alarmed", I just don't want to have another year of this s**te and the only way to do this is ensure that we reduce the risk of variants likely to be resistant to the vaccines we've so brilliant administered to a large amount of the population.

Yes I want exactly the same. 

 

I think deep down my fear is that we'll all have to be jabbed several times before we get out of this, if we ever will. It's taken me to my mid 40's to really get fit and healthy and the thought of outsourcing my immune system to a vaccine company fills me with dread.

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, Soup said:

Yes I want exactly the same. 

 

I think deep down my fear is that we'll all have to be jabbed several times before we get out of this, if we ever will. It's taken me to my mid 40's to really get fit and healthy and the thought of outsourcing my immune system to a vaccine company fills me with dread.

Might I ask why that scares you so much?

 

Is it to do with the thoughts of loss of control over bodily integrity?

[RonnieTodger]

Who had India in the variant sweepstake?

[String fellow]

6 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Hmm.

 

I've read Animal Farm several times but I don't remember that passage.

Try reading Nineteen Eighty-Four. You'll come across part of that quotation, although I may have been guilty of embroidering it somewhat to fit the debate on here about totalitarianism.

[Soup]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Might I ask why that scares you so much?

 

Is it to do with the thoughts of loss of control over bodily integrity?

I don't want to continuely keep putting a vaccine in me. I don't know exactly why but I don't. I should be allowed to make my own decisions. I've had one jab and I'll probably have another then I'll take a view at the end of the year and see how things are shaping up. If I can't genuinely do any fun stuff unless I have a 3rd and fourth jab then I'll have a decision to make.

 

You're a clever bloke no doubt but whatever you say im not suddenly goung to change how I feel. The mind is what it is

Edited 16 April 2021 by Soup