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1 hour ago, Line-X said:

To clarify, it could be as much as 20% more transmissible than its original form. This may not be the case, but yes, if correct, that is very concerning. 

 

4 hours ago, Soup said:

I do give a shit about others. I should've said I'm not worried then

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56844925

 

"I doubt whether the Indian variant is more infectious than the UK variant - and we must not panic," Dr Kamil says.

 

Some variants will inevitably escape the current vaccines, according to a paper published in Nature by Prof Gupta and his fellow researchers. As a result, changes to vaccine design will be needed to make them more effective.

However, the vaccinations now available are still likely to slow down the spread of the disease.

"For most people, these vaccines can mean the difference between little to no disease and ending up in the hospital with a risk of dying," says Dr Kamil.

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Honestly if the Indian variant does take off here and gives us a big third wave, I won't surrender the recent freedoms we've regained. If the Government can't protect us properly and lets thousands of people fly in from a high prevalence area like India for weeks before stopping it, why should I not see my parents or friends? It makes a mockery of the sacrifices we've all made and continue making.

 

I'm also starting to get a bit perturbed by my own mindset of late too, in that the longer it goes on, the more apathetic I get towards death figures. It's like I'm losing what remains of my empathy. Worrying really.

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3 hours ago, AS78UK said:

The 300k + cases in India, I think are seriously understated.  Messaged some of my  relatives and its literally everywhere.  Most of the people on the major cities live in apartments and they are struggling to avoid it just going to get groceries.  

Surprised by some of the laissez-faire comments here about the situation in India. Firstly, it's a total disaster. Secondly, it affects us and the whole world. We should be doing as much as we can to help, especially with the close ties between the countries. 

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2 hours ago, bovril said:

Surprised by some of the laissez-faire comments here about the situation in India. Firstly, it's a total disaster. Secondly, it affects us and the whole world. We should be doing as much as we can to help, especially with the close ties between the countries. 

Modi is a twat just like our trudeau over here. Canada cant even help anyone because we cant make our own vaccines. We are reliant on india for astrazeneca and other nations for pfizer,  moderna and astrazeneca.

 

Panchodes!

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A well connected source on a completely different message board posted this about Wimbledon this year.

"Players (and their teams) won't be able to leave the official hotel under any circumstances, not even for dinner, buy groceries or going for a run. It doesn't matter if you have caught COVID before or have been vaccinated.

The only time they will be leaving the hotel will be to access the Wimbledon grounds to play their matches and to practice. They will be escorted all the time and it will be forbidden to use any public transport (taxis included) from the time they arrive in London.

Breaking the rules will result of the withdrawal from the tournament and a fine, but they will still retain the ranking points earned until that moment."

 

Apparently this was one of the criteria insisted upon by the UK Governement for the tournament to proceed.

Considering this event is after the key date of 21st June you do wonder whether we will make that date in respect of restrictions being lifted.

 

I've also heard that some Government department staff are being advised not to expect returning to their offices until next year.

 

What with the terrible situation in India and other countries, a friend of our works in Poland and said last week it is worse there than official reports, I fear there is still a fair way to go with this and probably a few nasty and unexpected twists and turns along the way.

 

Personally I don't know why we don't do like Australia and New Zealand have done and effectively close down the borders for the next 6 months until the almost certain autumn vaccine top ups can be given out.

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Other half is expecting a return to office in civil service "officially" as June but unofficially it's September, at the earliest. Some depts aren't expecting a return to normal for operating until 2024 - as in working like it's 2019.

 

I do think the social distancing will officially end on 21st June but it'll come with caveats. EG - social distancing not needed in shops and no masks but venues will need to still track and trace everyone, as well as 80% capacity.

 

They've said nightclubs will open in June but that doesn't mean fully. I had a gig in July (originally 2020) but that's been pushed back to 2022.

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2 hours ago, reynard said:

A well connected source on a completely different message board posted this about Wimbledon this year.

"Players (and their teams) won't be able to leave the official hotel under any circumstances, not even for dinner, buy groceries or going for a run. It doesn't matter if you have caught COVID before or have been vaccinated.

The only time they will be leaving the hotel will be to access the Wimbledon grounds to play their matches and to practice. They will be escorted all the time and it will be forbidden to use any public transport (taxis included) from the time they arrive in London.

Breaking the rules will result of the withdrawal from the tournament and a fine, but they will still retain the ranking points earned until that moment."

 

Apparently this was one of the criteria insisted upon by the UK Governement for the tournament to proceed.

Considering this event is after the key date of 21st June you do wonder whether we will make that date in respect of restrictions being lifted.

 

I've also heard that some Government department staff are being advised not to expect returning to their offices until next year.

 

What with the terrible situation in India and other countries, a friend of our works in Poland and said last week it is worse there than official reports, I fear there is still a fair way to go with this and probably a few nasty and unexpected twists and turns along the way.

 

Personally I don't know why we don't do like Australia and New Zealand have done and effectively close down the borders for the next 6 months until the almost certain autumn vaccine top ups can be given out.

I wonder how that will work for players who commute from home during Wimbledon.

 

I agree, still a way to go. Every uni i have heard reports on are gearing up for online teaching next year as well (combined with hopefully more face to face opportunities than we had this year).

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10 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56844925

 

"I doubt whether the Indian variant is more infectious than the UK variant - and we must not panic," Dr Kamil says.

 

Some variants will inevitably escape the current vaccines, according to a paper published in Nature by Prof Gupta and his fellow researchers. As a result, changes to vaccine design will be needed to make them more effective.

However, the vaccinations now available are still likely to slow down the spread of the disease.

"For most people, these vaccines can mean the difference between little to no disease and ending up in the hospital with a risk of dying," says Dr Kamil.

No we certainly shouldn't panic. However, although evidence for greater transmissibility and escape from immunity is still “circumstantial" early (admittedly fragmentary) data indicates that it is very likely that it will be upgraded to a variant of concern and the fact that it carries the mutation L425R is significant. When a new variant appears, there are generally four kinds of information that are used evaluate it. One of those is laboratory experiments of which there hasn't been sufficient time to carry out yet and another is real world vaccine evidence which takes even more time. The third source of information is to look at the specific mutations in a variant and to compare that to other variants that we know more about, and the fourth is see how fast it is spreading. L425R contained in the Californian variant can evade immunity - both of antibodies and T-cells - and also has a much higher infection rate than the original virus one year ago. 

 

Saying that, this so called Indian variant (B.1.617) has been around for some time which means actually it may not be as transmissible as the Kent/UK variant. If it is driving the wave in India it has taken several months to get to this point which would indeed suggest it’s likely less contagious than the Kent B.1.1.7 variant and that other factors are responsible. "Indian Variant" is a probable misnomer and it's unlikely that it will ever be determined where it first emerged. Like I say, it's 'under investigation' because it has several mutations that are present in other variants of interest/concern or that have been shown to have antigenic escape in laboratory experiments. 

 

Again, SARS-CoV-19 must be regarded as a worldwide war - a global enemy and the more people that are infected, the more cases rise, the more the virus will evolve. 

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Watching what happens if the latest strains of this virus are left to progress without too many restrictions is now visible from India. what’s troubling is that the virus continues  to mutate to become more transmissible in real life (as opposed to in labs or modelling). I guess that’s what we would expect although it doesn’t seem to be any less damaging to its host as it becomes more transmissible. 
 

events from s America and India will simply keep the govt on the more cautious side as we open up further  

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7 hours ago, reynard said:

Apparently this was one of the criteria insisted upon by the UK Governement for the tournament to proceed.

Considering this event is after the key date of 21st June you do wonder whether we will make that date in respect of restrictions being lifted.

 

It's genuinely going to be funny watching people lose their shit when we aren't back to 'normal' by 21st June with no restrictions, I can't believe people genuinely think this will be the case.

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Does seem pretty pointless but I do think it's a sign of how more and more people are almost past caring. 

 

You're free to believe what you want but I don't like reports of some abusing and heckling people going into shops with masks on like they are doing something wrong. 

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21 hours ago, rachhere said:

I wonder how that will work for players who commute from home during Wimbledon.

 

I agree, still a way to go. Every uni i have heard reports on are gearing up for online teaching next year as well (combined with hopefully more face to face opportunities than we had this year).

I think they will need to stay in the hotel. The following is another quote from the same source which is interesting in relation to major sporting events like the Euros.

Our plans for The Championships have been made to protect you, the players, and the integrity of the Minimised Risk Environment as required by the UK Government as a condition of holding The Championships. We will keep these measures under review as The Championships approach. It is important to keep in mind that The Championships is a mass international gathering of potentially tens of thousands of people over the course of a three-week period and therefore presents a higher level of risk than standard day-to-day activity of the average UK citizen. Whilst you may read headlines in the media about the potential for life returning to ‘normal’ from 21 June, this does not directly refer to events like The Championships

I've put this on bold not the originators.

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52 minutes ago, Soup said:

Seeing videos of the protest in London yesterday and the numbers looked huge. I'm hearing between 500k and a million. 

It’s nigh on impossible to put a number on these things. The police usually under estimate and the competing sides under/over the figure.  I guess it was a lot judging by some of the photos but given that it wasn’t reported effectively, it’s tough to get decent shots from the air to illustrate

nice for them to have a day out after being stuck in their houses .......... 

 

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