Manager Categories

[Mullet1]

I’m Sure big Nige needs a category by himself.

[The Syrup]

2 minutes ago, Mullet1 said:

I’m Sure big Nige needs a category by himself.

 

Legend

[Tuna]

Shit list.

[Sly]

How many managers, could you put into any club and they’d do well? 

[Corky]

16 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Shit list.

How is Arteta after three months better than Dyche? For all we mock him, he's done very well at Burnley.

[Wymsey]

Wouldn't, now, classify Mourinho as 'great' - his peak period was during his time at Chelsea.

If he were to win a cup with Tottenham, then would personally go up in my estimations as a manager.

 

Also, the Wolves manager seems to be making very good progress in a Wolves side that contains players no one would expect to play for them a few years ago. And for him to achieve what he has done there is quite remarkable in some aspects.

[Guest the fox]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Wouldn't, now, classify Mourinho as 'great' - his peak period was during his time at Chelsea.

If he were to win a cup with Tottenham, then would personally go up in my estimations as a manager.

 

Also, the Wolves manager seems to be making very good progress in a Wolves side that contains players no one would expect to play for them a few years ago. And for him to achieve what he has done there is quite remarkable in some aspects.

He won the CL with Porto, He eliminated prime Barca, His peak IMO was with Inter. That team was ridiculous. 

 

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I rate him higher than Pep all-time. 

 

 

 

 

[goody2028]

Think average is pretty harsh for dyche. What he’s done for Burnley with literally almost no money and budget is pretty impressive. To be below arteta who has literally just started is an odd one   

[Suzie the Fox]

It’s all about opinions and how you define ‘best’ ‘legend’ ‘crap’ whatever. 
 

always contravertial talking points and very subjective depending on your age and team you support. 
 

Decent topic though and interesting to read others thoughts. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Mullet1 said:

I’m Sure big Nige needs a category by himself.

What a ridiculous categorisation.

 

If you swap the elite and great coaches with the teams managed by the average or poor I think you'd see that there really isn't so much difference between most coaches. In fact I'd go further and say that at least 2 of the poor and 4 of the average could win the league and there most of them would qualify for europe.

[sacreblueits442]

16 minutes ago, FIF said:

What a ridiculous categorisation.

 

If you swap the elite and great coaches with the teams managed by the average or poor I think you'd see that there really isn't so much difference between most coaches. In fact I'd go further and say that at least 2 of the poor and 4 of the average could win the league and there most of them would qualify for europe.

...I can not agree with that statement!!!

What you are in effect saying is that if you put David Moyes in charge of Liverpool he would be just as effective as Klopp!!

  If you think that giving a manager a big budget and expect him to build you a team to challenge for the Premiership title then I not sure you have been watching close enough.

 You need to have so many attributes to succeed, more over the ability to manage egos, to have your players buying into your ideas, tactically aware and the ability to lead.

  There is a reason why we have a disparity in managers wages and it is clear to see why.

 Would you have David Moyes in charge of our team?

 

[ALC Fox]

Graham Potter worked miracles at Ostersunds with an innovative approach to management that created firm bonds between the team and the whole town. He had a good season at Swansea before Brighton took a chance on him in the Premier League.

 

Sure, Brighton aren't performing brilliantly but he's trying to change the way they play. We know what that's like after experiencing the disaster that was Paulo Sousa's reign and Claude Puel's time at the club almost causing a schism between fans.

 

Some people seem to think that if Brighton kept Chris Hughton as manager they'd survive comfortably when they could have easily had an identical season in terms of results or could have even gone down.

 

But yeah, Potter's clearly a lot worse a manager than Lampard and Arteta who largely got their jobs out of sentimentality 

[Fox92]

These lists are proper weird. Usually made by them football twitter people which is why they're always wrong.

[UniFox21]

3 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

But yeah, Potter's clearly a lot worse a manager than Lampard and Arteta who largely got their jobs out of sentimentality 

People see the big name successful players and assume they'll be better managers. Arteta has done nothing barr work with Pep.

[volpeazzurro]

11 hours ago, Mullet1 said:

I’m Sure big Nige needs a category by himself.

A touch of blue tinted glasses I think. How on earth does Rodgers get in the same list as Mourinho and Ancelotti, given that presumably this should be judged on cv and past history etc. Rodgers has achieved bugger all except for trophies gained within a one team league. He's had one decent season here and in fairness is building something but, even that is still early days and we have to see what will materialise. Just because the media fawn and worship him doesn't mean his career and one season remotely compares to the aforementioned two who have stood the test of time and have attained numerous trophies. 

 

I like Rodgers and I'm pleased he's here but let's not get carried away, he too, like our squad, is a work in progress. He's certainly not great and for me hovers between good and average. 

[Corky]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

These lists are proper weird. Usually made by them football twitter people which is why they're always wrong.

A man with three European Cups and league titles in four different countries isn't an elite manager, apparently. A man with four league victories is better than men who've reached European finals (Hodgson) and won promotion and kept sides in the Premier League.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Anyone who uses the word elite in relation to footy is definitely one of those weird little Football Twitter virgins

[Guest]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I can not agree with that statement!!!

What you are in effect saying is that if you put David Moyes in charge of Liverpool he would be just as effective as Klopp!!

  If you think that giving a manager a big budget and expect him to build you a team to challenge for the Premiership title then I not sure you have been watching close enough.

 You need to have so many attributes to succeed, more over the ability to manage egos, to have your players buying into your ideas, tactically aware and the ability to lead.

  There is a reason why we have a disparity in managers wages and it is clear to see why.

 Would you have David Moyes in charge of our team?

 

I didn't say that. Moyes is the worst of the 3 managers but even he did pretty well with Everton. I'm not convinced that Klopp or Pep would do any better with Brighton or Norwich than their 2 present managers.

[OntarioFox]

Is that Graham Potter I see in the poor category? He's done a pretty solid job with a very limited Brighton side; a lot of us wrote them off at the start of the season and them even being two clear of the drop zone is a decent return at this point.

 

BTW can't wait for the league to restart so that these ridiculous threads stop being my only entertainment besides pretending to be a Fortuna Dusseldorf fan. 😅

[sacreblueits442]

28 minutes ago, FIF said:

I didn't say that. Moyes is the worst of the 3 managers but even he did pretty well with Everton. I'm not convinced that Klopp or Pep would do any better with Brighton or Norwich than their 2 present managers.

...with human nature being what it is, having Klopp or Pep at Brighton or Norwich for more than a season, would see them easily in the top six!!!!

You would see players who would not previously take a look at a move to either of these clubs suddenly gravitating to play for them. They would entice the best from around that area to come and try to make the team. The fact that, some players are willing to take a backward step to go forward, as they can see the bigger picture is something we have witnessed as a club ourselves (see Kante).

 As for using David Moyes as an example, the mere fact that these managers are on a never ending carousel just goes to show, that they are second rate and should be judged as such.

[Oxfordfox83]

I like these things, even if it’s just to say how ridiculous they are.

 

Ancelotti, for my money, is at least as good as Pep, who has only ever come into clubs that are already elite. He definitely belongs in the top bracket. I’d back Ancelotti to be at least as effective as Rafa was at Newcastle if he’d gone there, whereas I can easily imagine Pep losing his cool, taking them down and being sacked. 
 

Dyche could never manage Man City, Pep would struggle at Burnley. But Pep is one of a handful of people who seems to be able to use the very best players and a huge amount of money, and improve what he has. 
 

In conclusion, silly as it might be, it’s nice to think about hypotheticals in a time without football. 
 

PS Brendan has done pretty great things wherever he’s been, and even though I find his decisions baffling sometimes, we’re lucky to have him.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Anyone who uses the word elite in relation to footy is definitely one of those weird little Football Twitter virgins

...the word elite refers to a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society, and therefore a player play tiddly-winks could be described as such!!!!.

  In all walks of life there will be people more proficient within a field than everybody else. You may deem yourself to be intelectually superior vastly more athletic or have a significantly more wealth, but you would still be unable to do what they do at their level.

[Fox92]

22 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...the word elite refers to a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society, and therefore a player play tiddly-winks could be described as such!!!!.

  In all walks of life there will be people more proficient within a field than everybody else. You may deem yourself to be intelectually superior vastly more athletic or have a significantly more wealth, but you would still be unable to do what they do at their level.

Nobody uses the term "elite" in football though. When have you ever heard a discussion on Sky, BBC, TV, Radio where a manager, player or pundit has described a player or manager as "elite?". It's usually "great" or "top".

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Nobody uses the term "elite" in football though. When have you ever heard a discussion on Sky, BBC, TV, Radio where a manager, player or pundit has described a player or manager as "elite?". It's usually "great" or "top".

...the contract between England Rugby and their clubs in regards to their players availability for the National Team is classed as EPS (Elite players Squad).

[Trav Le Bleu]

Can someone explain how the majority of managers are above average?