Why is 3-4-1-2 working for us?

[Les-TA-Jon]

Perez was very useful in the 'Shinji role' playing behind the forwards. That plus Nacho meant Vardy was less isolated and we were able to apply pressure in the final third more. Hence why we actually created chances

[Sharpe's Fox]

best 3-4-1-2 ever was the great escape one under Nige. Cambiasso, Wasilewski, Ulloa Vardy and Nuge all up front. So many cult heroes in that side.

[Finnegan]

It let's us get our currently best in form players on the pitch and cuts out the ones that are struggling. 

 

Our wingers aren't playing well, Iheanacho is. Plus, Chilwell seems to have some of his attacking confidence back but he's still an airhead that needs cover down that side and an extra CB does that. Equally, whilst I thought JJ looked great in his cameos earlier in the year, I think he's been exposed as inexperienced (totally understandable) in these few games and he could do with the support also. 

 

I'd stick with it for the next couple games probably, certainly until Maddison is fit again and then I'd maybe go back to 433.

 

I think people pretending our wingers are crap when Barnes has something like the joint third most assists in the league and we won like 8 in a row playing 433 with him and Perez are a bit pathetic mind. Clearly 433/4141 works for us, it's just not currently. 

[Guest An Sionnach]

Harvey Barnes is not a "winger" . Ayoze Perez is not a "winger" . We have only one "winger" Marc Albrighton. We do however have two "wingbacks" in Chilwell and Pereira.

[Chrysalis]

11 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

 I had a quick read of this article, and it might not be that brilliant, but I wondered what others think. Are we done with wingers?

 

https://foxesofleicester.com/2020/07/05/leicester-city-palace-3-4-1-2/

 

'For only the 11th time in Rodgers’ career, he chose a starting XI in a 3-4-1-2 formation. Throughout Rodgers’ entire managerial career he’s only picked a three at the back formation 64 times out of his 400 games (16%). The two key points of reasoning for why he made this decision, are to ensure that firstly, the Foxes had three central midfielders whilst also providing a partner for Jamie Vardy upfront. Ordinarily, teams would have to sacrifice one for the other.'

No magic answer, but one thing I will say is you cant expect to go through an entire season with just one formation one way of playing, unless you exceptionally good at it, teams will work it out.

 

So the answer may well be we just need to shake it up a bit.  One trick mind managers often fail for this reason.

Edited 6 July 2020 by Chrysalis

[sdb]

It worked (for 1 game) because it was the first time in 6 months we set up differently to how the opponents expected.

 

I do think it's a winner long term though. If we get a quality CB in, we'll be so hard to get through, our borderline world class full backs get a more advanced position, and we can easily slot our remaining best players into their best positions, whilst having 2 up top (with varying degrees of partnerships and styles).

 

Makes a CB almost as much of a priority as a RW in the summer though.

[coolhandfox]

We haven't got the players to only play a two man midfield in my view to play a 4-4-2, so 3-4-1-2, allows to keep 3 players in the centre of the park, still play with width and play 2 up front.

 

The other option to play two up top is the diamond, but we look vulnerable out wide defensively!

 

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

I think people pretending our wingers are crap when Barnes has something like the joint third most assists in the league and we won like 8 in a row playing 433 with him and Perez are a bit pathetic mind.

It not that they are crap, they just very inconsistent, case in point with Barnes, he came on against palace and created to goals, with good play, in the other games after the restart he looked like he could control a simple pass! Gray will come on and have a great 20 minute cameo and then play the next game and stink the place out! Perez is and has always been a streaky player who has purple patches of form. 

 

During Vardy's dry period has just highlighted it more, we need a little more from our other attacking players, in 9 goals form Barnes, Perez, Gray and Albrighton in the last 17 games isn't enough when Vardy has only scored 5 in the same period. 

 

 

 

Edited 6 July 2020 by coolhandfox

[daddylonglegs]

5 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It worked for 45 minutes. Calm down

Against palace before they gifted us 2 goals 🤣

[Suzie the Fox]

11 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

 I had a quick read of this article, and it might not be that brilliant, but I wondered what others think. Are we done with wingers?

 

https://foxesofleicester.com/2020/07/05/leicester-city-palace-3-4-1-2/

 

'For only the 11th time in Rodgers’ career, he chose a starting XI in a 3-4-1-2 formation. Throughout Rodgers’ entire managerial career he’s only picked a three at the back formation 64 times out of his 400 games (16%). The two key points of reasoning for why he made this decision, are to ensure that firstly, the Foxes had three central midfielders whilst also providing a partner for Jamie Vardy upfront. Ordinarily, teams would have to sacrifice one for the other.'

Thanks for posting that although i would beg to differ that it wasn't brilliantly written since it was written by my budding journalist nephew  He only finished Uni this summer and this is one of his early works. 

 

Big fat thank you to @UpTheLeagueFoxfor helping him get his foot on the ladder too. 

 

 

 

[Stadt]

We built up with Justin slotting in as part of a three with Albrighton staying wide in the first half. It wasn’t a natural 3412.
 

I don’t think we should be getting ahead of ourselves, Palace gifted us 2 goals and it probably would have finished 0-0 if they hadn’t. Plus it’s only one game.

[Tom12345]

I do fear that when Maddison and Chilwell are fit again BR will revert back to boring predictable football that comes with our 4-1-4-1 formation.

[themightyfin]

I think people are reading too much into formations. We basically attack as a team and defend as a team. 

[Stadt]

47 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Yes I’d be very concerned with two of our best players not being injured...

Chilwell isn’t one of our best players let’s be honest. Of our regular starting XI I’d have him or Perez as the worst 

[Papasmurf]

23 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Chilwell isn’t one of our best players let’s be honest. Of our regular starting XI I’d have him or Perez as the worst 

Wouldn’t disagree with that. The odd thing is one cost us £30m and the other is carrying a £50m price tag. 

[UHDrive]

5 minutes ago, Papasmurf said:

Wouldn’t disagree with that. The odd thing is one cost us £30m and the other is carrying a £50m price tag. 

80 mill not 50 mill price tag. Just saying....

[Chrysalis]

1 hour ago, themightyfin said:

I think people are reading too much into formations. We basically attack as a team and defend as a team. 

Depends how you look at it, football is no longer such a simple game.

 

The opposite team can easily counter, if predictable, player X marks Player Y, player Z stands in Y position to intercept passes that are commonly made from the formation.  Suddenly the formation is changed, players move into new positions, new players brought into team, and the opposition plan is obsolete/invalid.  

[themightyfin]

2 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Depends how you look at it, football is no longer such a simple game.

 

The opposite team can easily counter, if predictable, player X marks Player Y, player Z stands in Y position to intercept passes that are commonly made from the formation.  Suddenly the formation is changed, players move into new positions, new players brought into team, and the opposition plan is obsolete/invalid.  

Disagree. When we defend we defend with 2 banks of 4 with Ndidi sitting between the 2 and vardy up top. That never changes.

When we attack we attack as a team leaving 2 at the back as cover and to recycle the ball .

The only way this changes is when we break at pace when players and formations can switch and change depending on the attack. 

Likewise when we defend. 

 

[Guest An Sionnach]

21 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Depends how you look at it, football is no longer such a simple game.

 

The opposite team can easily counter, if predictable, player X marks Player Y, player Z stands in Y position to intercept passes that are commonly made from the formation.  Suddenly the formation is changed, players move into new positions, new players brought into team, and the opposition plan is obsolete/invalid.  

Southampton played a simple game yesterday and won and that was : if its in blue and moves : tackle it : and if its round : kick it -- anywhere.

[Domsdad]

 

[escape2victory]

11 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Hang on, did we really start with 3-4-1-2? Justin and Chilwell were pretty much operating as full backs, although Chilwell also occupied a bit of the left wing, with Tielemans and Vardy moving a bit to the left to support when attacking while Nachos brilliantly moved into midfield to help pick up the ball on occasions.

 

It wasn’t until Bennett was introduced that we really started playing 3 at the back, which given Palace’s only threats pretty much came from the occasional crosses and corners I thought it was a great introduction.

You have perfectly described the wing back role ! 😂👍

[Lambert09]

I’ll be honest it was all so fluid I had no idea what we were playing. Nacho spent so much time out wide I thought he was a winger that just didn’t want to stay wide . 

 

Perez certainly stuck in the 10 though. 

[Ian Nacho]

1 hour ago, Domsdad said:

 

Not having that. Justin was pushing up all the time in the first half. 

[Guest An Sionnach]

If you look at our full back options, Fuchs and Justin are  defensive specialists , good positionally and strong tacklers on either foot . Pereira is quick with excellent control and can beat men inside and out , Chilwell is mobile and good with the ball at his feet , frustratingly he doesn't trust his right foot , if he did he would be a top class wing back .If we play back 4 , Justin and Fuchs are our best option , back three , its Pereira and Chilwell . The balance of the team , for me , favours a back three and two wing backs.

[Chrysalis]

3 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Southampton played a simple game yesterday and won and that was : if its in blue and moves : tackle it : and if its round : kick it -- anywhere.

Brilliant we can do away with managers then, and just put the players in random spots since its that simple.

[Chrysalis]

3 hours ago, themightyfin said:

Disagree. When we defend we defend with 2 banks of 4 with Ndidi sitting between the 2 and vardy up top. That never changes.

When we attack we attack as a team leaving 2 at the back as cover and to recycle the ball .

The only way this changes is when we break at pace when players and formations can switch and change depending on the attack. 

Likewise when we defend. 

 

I didnt see what you described in the last game.