"Project Big Picture"

[Arkie Bennett]

35 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wow. Reading some of the self justifying posts on RAWK makes me a little sad. They wilfully mix loyalty with being partisan, and strive to legitimise every positive  viewpoint painted about their club. Even at its most base, defying their clubs part ownership of this proposal, seeking to blame and demonise the EFL clubs.

Fetid.

 

Something needs to help those that deserve help, not those that screw themselves into a financial shitstorm of their own making. This proposal grabs headlines, good ones at points, but too much uncertainty in the details.

The bizarre logic and sheer arrogance being spouted on RAWK is breathtaking.

[AndyK]

11 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

Very harsh mate, they are desperate and many on the the verge of going bust.

 

They have been out any real income for 8 months with huge outgoings and have been offered no support from the government unlike rugby league or the arts! 

I think this is absolutely right - owners down the leagues just want to stay in business, and it serves as a lever. If it gives them 20 years grace, they'll take it and let the future look after itself.

On top of that, at least half have no real expectations of making the PL, and changes there don't matter much.

 

Slater is normally better than that quote in the tweet though - the BBC very definitely said that the EFL clubs generally liked some of the proposals, but didn't say that they liked the whole thing.

 

The rugby league analogy is a good one.

[Heathrow fox]

18 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Is their history on par with Man U or Liverpool or more so the other clubs I listed ? The point was, Spurs are not “elite” anymore so then say Villa. United and Liverpool are on a different level of global reach compared to Spurs. You can just about understand their need to control the league. Not so much Spurs - they are no where near the global reach of the other two and it’s silly to suggest they’re despite their pretty new stadium and NFL links. 
 

This is the problem of centring the decision making to “top” 6 clubs. In reality that has different meaning in each decade.  

Liverpool and Man U are the grandmasters no argument there.Arsenal are let down by their less than impressive record in Europe.Other than that Spurs can hold their heads up with pretty much anyone post WW2.Theres certainly more meat to them than the other two gobshite clubs.I’m not saying they have the global reach of the real giants but they have put themselves in a position to join their club.

[FrankieADZ]

what Ian Hollway said on the whole thing is pretty spot on for me, sayings its selfish and embrarrassing from the top clubs

[Mickyblueeyes]

23 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Liverpool and Man U are the grandmasters no argument there.Arsenal are let down by their less than impressive record in Europe.Other than that Spurs can hold their heads up with pretty much anyone post WW2.Theres certainly more meat to them than the other two gobshite clubs.I’m not saying they have the global reach of the real giants but they have put themselves in a position to join their club.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. Spurs have developed as a club but they’re no where near “elite” and I’m not just saying that as a dig at them. If they created a European Super League and invited say 4 teams from England, Spurs wouldn’t make the list. 
 

Internationally you go to places like Africa, the Far East and Asia and while Spurs may be known, they don’t have the appeal of Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea - that’s even with Son in the Far East. 
 

Spurs has a great base but to join the club of the elite football clubs in Europe ? Not yet. Not by a long shot. Let’s put it this way if 5 of the perceived big 6 departed and one remain, the appeal of the league would hold more strength if it were any of the other 5 other then Spurs. They’re just not up there. 
 

Like I said, the top 6 clubs changes decade after decade. There’s a certain level of prestige associated with Man U and Liverpool because they’ve dominated both league and Europe. Spurs as a club just about get into the top 6 in this era. I understand the other two having issue with the distribution of wealth because of what they’ve contributed. Spurs can **** off. 

 

 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wow. Reading some of the self justifying posts on RAWK makes me a little sad. They wilfully mix loyalty with being partisan, and strive to legitimise every positive  viewpoint painted about their club. Even at its most base, defying their clubs part ownership of this proposal, seeking to blame and demonise the EFL clubs.

Fetid.

 

Something needs to help those that deserve help, not those that screw themselves into a financial shitstorm of their own making. This proposal grabs headlines, good ones at points, but too much uncertainty in the details.

The amount of people saying things like "why should a newly promoted club have as much a say in the running of the league as Liverpool. They could vote not to have relegation"

 

Totally missing the point that yes, they can vote for it. But you need 14 votes to pass it. Which is the beauty of having so many people with a say. Plonkers with stupid ideas can't get them passed (hello Man United and Liverpool)

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I think we will have to agree to disagree. Spurs have developed as a club but they’re no where near “elite” and I’m not just saying that as a dig at them. If they created a European Super League and invited say 4 teams from England, Spurs wouldn’t make the list. 
 

Internationally you go to places like Africa, the Far East and Asia and while Spurs may be known, they don’t have the appeal of Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea - that’s even with Son in the Far East. 
 

Spurs has a great base but to join the club of the elite football clubs in Europe ? Not yet. Not by a long shot. Let’s put it this way if 5 of the perceived big 6 departed and one remain, the appeal of the league would hold more strength if it were any of the other 5 other then Spurs. They’re just not up there. 
 

Like I said, the top 6 clubs changes decade after decade. There’s a certain level of prestige associated with Man U and Liverpool because they’ve dominated both league and Europe. Spurs as a club just about get into the top 6 in this era. I understand the other two having issue with the distribution of wealth because of what they’ve contributed. Spurs can **** off. 

 

 

They went like 19 years only finishing above 8th three times between 1990 and 2009. The idea they are enshrined as a top 6 team is laughable.

[bmt]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The amount of people saying things like "why should a newly promoted club have as much a say in the running of the league as Liverpool. They could vote not to have relegation"

 

Totally missing the point that yes, they can vote for it. But you need 14 votes to pass it. Which is the beauty of having so many people with a say. Plonkers with stupid ideas can't get them passed (hello Man United and Liverpool)

Yes agree. Its ridiculous logic.

 

Imagine extrapolating it to other areas. New MPs don't get to vote on issues and only those who have been in the house 10 years get a say... Maybe even only ones who have been knighted like the great Liverpool.

 

Laughable and against the culture they constantly go on about having.

[Corky]

19 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The amount of people saying things like "why should a newly promoted club have as much a say in the running of the league as Liverpool. They could vote not to have relegation"

 

Socialist club, eh?  

[Footballwipe]

Depressing to see how many clubs are on their knees bowing down to their new masters over the prospect of this. Clubs wetting themselves at the prospect of a bit of extra money is shameful. Ironically they're failing to see the big picture in all of this.

 

Exploitation and bribery. So many of these changes could be bought in without six clubs seizing control of the power, money and literal decisions on football team's ownership.

 

You telling me, seriously, that they won't turn around and shift the goalposts in 2-3 years time? (if they're patient enough to wait that long) When they've completely finished draining the money-led loyalism from the smaller clubs they'll just shut up shop and make things how they want to be.

 

Someone from the 14 other clubs, or a brave one any of the six who are unsure, need to raise their hand and end this coup.

[AndyK]

23 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The amount of people saying things like "why should a newly promoted club have as much a say in the running of the league as Liverpool. They could vote not to have relegation"

 

Totally missing the point that yes, they can vote for it. But you need 14 votes to pass it. Which is the beauty of having so many people with a say. Plonkers with stupid ideas can't get them passed (hello Man United and Liverpool)

Have they not described the club as 'Liverpool Football Club' rather than  just 'Liverpool'? Must be new members to the cult.

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, Corky said:

more than a Socialist club, eh?  

apparently

[Dahnsouff]

 

 

why not...

 

[Tuna]

 

I wonder who the 6 could be 

[AndyK]

I wonder if the other 14 PL clubs should get together and thrash out an alternative.

[Dahnsouff]

Maybe the other 14 would be a little more pliable should the outlay proposed (250m + 100M + 25% annually) had the clubs contributions linked as a percentage of incomings rather than a flat fiscal value. The reform of voting rights would of course still be an issue, but money talks regardless of club ultimately,

[RowlattsFox]

I can 100% see why EFL clubs are happy to accept, less so clubs in the championship but I suppose that highlights the financial need for clubs even at that level but a lot of that can be put down to over-spending and not living within their means and now being caught out by the pandemic. Clubs lower than that don't see where the money is coming from, no sign of any fans potentially all season, we're potential a couple of weeks away from a "national lockdown", will football continue during this? Short termism yes, but there might not be a long term for some clubs without it. 

 

 

 

 

[fuchsntf]

I decided football fans need some support...So I called in the heavies..

[davieG]

Is anyone still complaining about the £14.95 PPV,

Super timing to release this.

 

As the PL have sanctioned this price it's a bit rich of them complaining about the adverse effects of Big Picture.

[fuchsntf]

Then my bloody wife said that's it..

Now It's my time to show 'em what for.

Upsetting my darling husband..

[Guest SO1]

3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wow. Reading some of the self justifying posts on RAWK makes me a little sad. They wilfully mix loyalty with being partisan, and strive to legitimise every positive  viewpoint painted about their club. Even at its most base, defying their clubs part ownership of this proposal, seeking to blame and demonise the EFL clubs.

Fetid.

 

Something needs to help those that deserve help, not those that screw themselves into a financial shitstorm of their own making. This proposal grabs headlines, good ones at points, but too much uncertainty in the details.

Did and felt the same in regards to RAWK. I'd also say that winning and success attract plastic looking at the lack of posters I recognized.  It's a much different place than I remember. Sad.

[Corky]

Dowden saying this morning that he can't tell a pensioner in Hartlepool that her taxes go to support football which is awash with money.

 

Being the pedantic twat I am, Hartlepool are in the National League which gets government support to continue.

 

 

[bmt]

I actually can't believe how blinkered the Liverpool fans (as a whole) are on their forum. I know they usually are, but this goes against everything they have so loudly supported throughout their history.

 

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Liverpool and Man U are the grandmasters no argument there.Arsenal are let down by their less than impressive record in Europe.Other than that Spurs can hold their heads up with pretty much anyone post WW2.Theres certainly more meat to them than the other two gobshite clubs.I’m not saying they have the global reach of the real giants but they have put themselves in a position to join their club.

Liverpool and Man Utd are the biggest clubs in the Country by a mile. As for Spurs?! Two league titles and a load of FA Cups isn't impressive for a so called "elite club". There's loads of clubs, post WW2, that have won more league titles than Spurs. The obvious ones in the PL currently being Everton/Villa (also consider Villa won the Champions League too - and before anyone starts, yes it was the European Cup then, but it's still "Champions of Europe") but even Wolves have won more titles than Spurs, even since post WW2. Spurs' recent title "attempts" under Pochettino have made them into a "bigger" club in terms of more well known now but he was always overachieving with them for me. They are a big club wanabee who have no right to be included in this stupid "elite/big 6" list.

Edited 14 October 2020 by Fox92

[StanSP]

When is the next PL meeting? Would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting.