Injuries at the club.

[StriderHiryu]

4 minutes ago, deep blue said:

So you're saying the our injury problem isn't something extraordinary, justifying that by pointing out it is 50% worse than our nearest rivals for that spot?

I’m saying it is both extraordinary and it’s hit a lot of clubs. If one third of the teams in the league are missing 50% of their match day squads at the same time, it’s indicative of their being a bigger issue at play. And there is, a global health pandemic, lack of proper resting periods and fixture pileups.
 

Unfortunately we’ve been hit the hardest. 

[Ric Flair]

24 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I’m sorry I’m not having this on Rodgers. He’s not telling players to get their legs broken by the opposition. 
 

As a club an investigation and overhaul of the physio department should be looked at but it’s not all on one person, it’s a team collective here. 
 

There’s always some element of luck involved too. In 15-16 we had something like 50% less injuries then any other club. Maybe karma has decided to cash in on that magic voodoo this season 🤣!

We've had two players break leg/ankles under Rodgers. We've had several ACL's though, Ricardo who played on (like he also was made to do with his fractured leg vs Liverpool. 

 

Rumours he regularly goes against the sports science advise of players approaching or in the red zone where injuries, especially muscular are more likely to occur. You only have to look at what's he done with Vardy, Daka and Evans in the Xmas period. Kept them all playing on (Vardy twice) when injured and low and behold Vardy and Evans are now bollocksed.

 

He's been influential in bringing this new doctor in and I don't think his start here has been very encouraging.

 

So yes, it is heavily on Brendan Rodgers and his regime. 

[lcfc_forever]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I’m sorry I’m not having this on Rodgers. He’s not telling players to get their legs broken by the opposition. 
 

As a club an investigation and overhaul of the physio department should be looked at but it’s not all on one person, it’s a team collective here. 
 

There’s always some element of luck involved too.  

Exactly, people don’t like to acknowledge the element of luck. How can the injuries to Fofana, Castagne, Ricardo and Justin be anything to do with Rodgers? 3 of those came through poor challenges. 

[Fox in the North]

2 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Exactly, people don’t like to acknowledge the element of luck. How can the injuries to Fofana, Castagne, Ricardo and Justin be anything to do with Rodgers? 3 of those came through poor challenges. 

Justin’s initial injury was a freak accident too.

[lcfc_forever]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We've had two players break leg/ankles under Rodgers. We've had several ACL's though, Ricardo who played on (like he also was made to do with his fractured leg vs Liverpool. 

 

I've been told he regularly goes against the sports science advose of players approaching or in the ref zone where injuries, especially muscular are more likely to occur. You only have to look at what's he done with Vardy, Daka and Evans in the Xmas period. Kept them all playing on (Vardy twice) when injured and low and behold Vardy and Evans are now bollocksed.

 

He's been influential in bringing this new doctor in and I don't think his start here has been very encouraging.

 

So yes, it is heavily on Brendan Rodgers and his regime. 

Daka came off vs Liverpool early in the 2nd half and Vardy pretty much had to stay on vs Liverpool, otherwise we would then had to play against them with just 10 men. 

Edited 8 January 2022 by lcfc_forever

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We've had two players break leg/ankles under Rodgers. We've had several ACL's though, Ricardo who played on (like he also was made to do with his fractured leg vs Liverpool. 

 

Rumours he regularly goes against the sports science advise of players approaching or in the ref zone where injuries, especially muscular are more likely to occur. You only have to look at what's he done with Vardy, Daka and Evans in the Xmas period. Kept them all playing on (Vardy twice) when injured and low and behold Vardy and Evans are now bollocksed.

 

He's been influential in bringing this new doctor in and I don't think his start here has been very encouraging.

 

So yes, it is heavily on Brendan Rodgers and his regime. 

It doesn't help that in the case of Evans, the replacements weren't exactly there...? Plus his foot problem is also playing a part by being inconsistenyly fit/unfit too. 

 

It may heavily be on Rodgers but its also unfortunate in some cases too. 

 

I think it's generally naive to put the blame all on Rodgers anyway. 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, lcfc_forever said:

Daka came off vs Liverpool early in the 2nd half vs Liverpool and Vardy pretty much had to stay on vs Liverpool, otherwise we would then had to play against them with just 10 men. 

Daka was injured after 5 minutes Rodgers said. Played him for a further 50+. Vardy played on twice when we'd used all our subs but the Co sequence is he's now more injured than he probably would be. Dismiss the importance of that all you want but that's probably the difference between when we had an excellent injury record and now why we've got a horrific one.

 

Would you make a player who'd done his ACL or fractured his leg play on? Actually, Rodgers did that with Ricardo vs Villa and then 2 years later vs Liverpool 😂😂😂

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

It doesn't help that in the case of Evans, the replacements weren't exactly there...? Plus his foot problem is also playing a part by being inconsistenyly fit/unfit too. 

 

It may heavily be on Rodgers but its also unfortunate in some cases too. 

 

I think it's generally naive to put the blame all on Rodgers anyway. 

The blame isn't all on Rodgers but he's now moulding his backroom staff in the fitness and medical departments and I getting worse. Just like his time at Liverpool and Celtic.

[lcfc_forever]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Daka was injured after 5 minutes Rodgers said. Played him for a further 50+. Vardy played on twice when we'd used all our subs but the Co sequence is he's now more injured than he probably would be. Dismiss the importance of that all you want but that's probably the difference between when we had an excellent injury record and now why we've got a horrific one.

 

Would you make a player who'd done his ACL or fractured his leg play on? Actually, Rodgers did that with Ricardo vs Villa and then 2 years later vs Liverpool 😂😂😂

I think Ogbonna played on temporarily for West Ham, sometimes the extent of the injury is not known immediately. 

 

I can’t believe people would think Rodgers would ignore so egregiously what his medical staff are telling him. Makes no sense whatsoever. 

Edited 8 January 2022 by lcfc_forever

[W7Fox]

45 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Completely different world. You can tell on match days how quick, strong and athletic these players are. It must be like getting hit by a car when they go into each other. Plus the amount they train, the muscles must be so tight, injuries are bound to occur. I’d imagine they would be able to play Sunday league 24/7 and barely break a sweat never mind get injured. They are finely tuned machines now, not humans 

Exactly, they probably play at the equivalent intensity of a Sunday League match every training session. 

[grobyfox1990]

37 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

The way their lifestyles are monitored in comparison to even 20 years ago, they are akin to Olympic athletes. In terms of physicality, footballers have never ran longer or faster. It is a medical arms race and we are probably pushing the limit in terms of the number of professional games too.
 

People point to covid vaccines as a curious issue for these footballers who suddenly collapse, but I think it’s no coincidence that more players are collapsing when they are physically pushing their bodies to their natural limits.

True. I was lucky enough to look around seagrave as a result of attending the away game in Moscow. How they are monitored and tracked, the resources at their disposal plus the physicality of how they train everyday. It is honestly mind boggling. Not one aspect of their day isn’t covered. 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

I think Ogbonna played on temporarily for West Ham. 

 

I can’t believe people would think Rodgers would ignore so egregiously what his medical staff are telling him. Makes no sense whatsoever. 

The medical staff are now heavily Brendan Rodgers men, he shoulders as much the responsibility as them. The majority of our excellent sports science and fitness staff have now gone, Paul Balsom was a genius and sadly no longer here. He was the mastermind behind our fitness and conditioning under Pearson and Ranieri. He's gone in the last year or so after stepping back more and more in recent years.

 

The best one was Harvey Barnes last year. Rodgers disclosed he'd been struggling heavily with a knee problem in the games before he did his knee vs Arsenal and was why he didn't start that 2nd leg vs Slavia but said something along the lines of he'd have been slated if he hadn't played Barnes so that's why he was still playing and not resting. Brilliant, out for the season.

[wigstonboues]

55 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

There are many clubs with more than 10 injuries right now:

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

 

Brentford, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich, Southampton and Watford all have at least 10 injuries right now. We have 17 which is ludicrous but we are not alone in having tons of injuries.

We are Top of the league say we are top of the league 

[UniFox21]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Would you make a player who'd done his ACL or fractured his leg play on? Actually, Rodgers did that with Ricardo vs Villa and then 2 years later vs Liverpool 😂😂😂

Normally I'd agree with you. 

But for both of those, you can't disgnose whether it's one of them straight away unless the bone is sticking out of your leg or knee bent round the wrong way.

If we subbed a player off everytime they had a knock that could've been way worse, Vardy would never play. 

[KFS]

22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The medical staff are now heavily Brendan Rodgers men, he shoulders as much the responsibility as them. The majority of our excellent sports science and fitness staff have now gone, Paul Balsom was a genius and sadly no longer here. He was the mastermind behind our fitness and conditioning under Pearson and Ranieri. He's gone in the last year or so after stepping back more and more in recent years.

 

The best one was Harvey Barnes last year. Rodgers disclosed he'd been struggling heavily with a knee problem in the games before he did his knee vs Arsenal and was why he didn't start that 2nd leg vs Slavia but said something along the lines of he'd have been slated if he hadn't played Barnes so that's why he was still playing and not resting. Brilliant, out for the season.

Who was it who was told a couple seasons back to ‘run it off’ and turned out to be an ACL?

 

This isn’t new is it and there’s one constant here. Rodgers being in charge.

[grobyfox1990]

I’m probably in a minority of one here, but if I had a child who showed promise in football, I’d try and discourage it going any further than fun. Yes you will make millions, but are you going to be able to walk when you’re 50 given the demands on players these days? Not worth it imo 

[Bert]

41 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Exactly, people don’t like to acknowledge the element of luck. How can the injuries to Fofana, Castagne, Ricardo and Justin be anything to do with Rodgers? 3 of those came through poor challenges. 

But he can bring them off rather than let them stay off making a serious injury potentially serious, in the case of Ricardo (twice), Vardy (twice) and Daka. 

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, KFS said:

Who was it who was told a couple seasons back to ‘run it off’ and turned out to be an ACL?

 

This isn’t new is it and there’s one constant here. Rodgers being in charge.

 

Have you ever tried to diagnose an ACL injury from an innocuous challenge/incident within minutes? 

 

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I’m probably in a minority of one here, but if I had a child who showed promise in football, I’d try and discourage it going any further than fun. Yes you will make millions, but are you going to be able to walk when you’re 50 given the demands on players these days? Not worth it imo 

I can confirm this ! 

[KFS]

Just now, StanSP said:

 

Have you ever tried to diagnose an ACL injury from an innocuous challenge/incident within minutes? 

 

Mate pick your battles. We support a professional sports team who have year after year had compounding injury problems to a point where now we have to play the u23 team to defend our one and only FA Cup.

 

We all love this team but you’re sticking out like a sore thumb on something we have a right to ask questions on. The squad is ****ing decimated and there’s too many coincidences for it not to be a management issue.

[CosbehFox]

38 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The blame isn't all on Rodgers but he's now moulding his backroom staff in the fitness and medical departments and I getting worse. Just like his time at Liverpool and Celtic.

The fitness, conditioning and sports scientists are the same lads since Pearson’s time. Balsom has left but he was on that analytics side by the time he’d left anyway. 

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, KFS said:

Who was it who was told a couple seasons back to ‘run it off’ and turned out to be an ACL?

 

This isn’t new is it and there’s one constant here. Rodgers being in charge.

Naa. There’s another constant what people completely ignored. Something which has also ran for three years. 

[Reginaldo]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

Have you ever tried to diagnose an ACL injury from an innocuous challenge/incident within minutes? 

 

Exactly. Players often cannot tell how serious the condition is at the time and their feedback is taken into account.

Anyone who has seen Andy Murray’s documentary will have seen our new Head Medic as going down the conservative treatment path with him and not the total hip replacement option he finally took.   

[KFS]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

Naa. There’s another constant what people completely ignored. Something which has also ran for three years. 

Wdym mate

[Duquesne Whistle]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

Have you ever tried to diagnose an ACL injury from an innocuous challenge/incident within minutes? 

 

Only once, as I clambered my way over a bunch of people to get the last steak pie at a chippy.

Her knee looked pretty knackered to me, so I think it was the correct diagnosis. She seemed to find having to settle for the battered sausage more painful, so I expect her recovery went to schedule tbh.