Injuries at the club.

[Lesta2014]

I don’t get this tiredness causing injuries in pro players. I know it’s completely different, but how many lads play Saturday 90 minutes and then the same Sunday all season and don’t get injured. Now I know the fitness levels are different but surely the unfitter amateur should be the one getting the injuries over the professional athlete? The amateur lads will still sprint albeit not as quick but they also aren’t as fit. I’d love to see some evidence on this from both sides!

Edited 8 January 2022 by Lesta2014

[burleighfox]

Sack this bloody medical team, god only knows what they're getting paid for.

Edited 8 January 2022 by burleighfox

[Simoken]

1 minute ago, burleighfox said:

Sack this bloody medical team, god nly knows what they're getting paid for.

Sack your FT account.

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

A point that's just been made to me (Which i'm shocked I hadn't come to the conclusion of);

 

The style we play, playing it back and forth along the defence, slowly, side to side and backwards, how do you get injuries doing that?!

 

I mean if we were doing all the running, chasing the opposition, pressing, running forwards, at speed then I could perhaps understand some of the injuries but we're far from that, we 'control the game' (Apparently), we let the opposition do the running and pressing (Apparently).

 

I don't care what anyone says, we're not high intensity, we play at snails pace, if people claim Rodgers is high intensity in training, well perhaps there is your problem on two counts, 1) We're knackered and have nothing left come match day and 2) Why we're getting so many injuries.

 

The slow and laborious football hasn't been seen for a few months now. We've gone back to a mix of high press and turning the ball over in the oppositions half and trying to win the battles, we've had plenty of crunching tackles, both Liverpool games are an example of that.

[Ric Flair]

This new doctor we had come in, wonder what the true honest feeling is on what he's doing. Can't be a glowing indictment can it. Rodgers instrumental in his recruitment too....

 

 

[StriderHiryu]

With injuries please remember that we’ve just lived through two of the most insane seasons in history. One season cut short then resumed with 3 games a week, followed by a tiny summer break straight into another full season this time with major International championships following them. Plus new COVID variants every couple of months, etc. It’s not a surprise that many teams in the league are decimated! Whilst we’ve been hit particularly hard I’m surprised that other teams haven’t had similar problems. 
 

Player welfare has been second to keeping the fixture schedule going for some time now. 

[st albans fox]

35 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

I don’t get this tiredness causing injuries in pro players. I know it’s completely different, but how many lads play Saturday 90 minutes and then the same Sunday all season and don’t get injured. Now I know the fitness levels are different but surely the unfitter amateur should be the one getting the injuries over the professional athlete? The amateur lads will still sprint albeit not as quick but they also aren’t as fit. I’d love to see some evidence on this from both sides!

Different world …..

 

to have the fitness levels, you have to train ….your body is continually stressed 

And these guys have a level of fitness that we can’t even dream about - their bodies have to deal with the stresses and they often cannot ….

[Ric Flair]

32 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

With injuries please remember that we’ve just lived through two of the most insane seasons in history. One season cut short then resumed with 3 games a week, followed by a tiny summer break straight into another full season this time with major International championships following them. Plus new COVID variants every couple of months, etc. It’s not a surprise that many teams in the league are decimated! Whilst we’ve been hit particularly hard I’m surprised that other teams haven’t had similar problems. 
 

Player welfare has been second to keeping the fixture schedule going for some time now. 

Why aren't other clubs anywhere near as bad as us? Also the pandemic can't account for how bad is injury problems got st Liverpool and Celtic either. The common denominator is Todgers.

[StriderHiryu]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Why aren't other clubs anywhere near as bad as us? Also the pandemic can't account for how bad is injury problems got st Liverpool and Celtic either. The common denominator is Todgers.

There are many clubs with more than 10 injuries right now:

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

 

Brentford, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich, Southampton and Watford all have at least 10 injuries right now. We have 17 which is ludicrous but we are not alone in having tons of injuries.

[Lesta2014]

35 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Different world …..

 

to have the fitness levels, you have to train ….your body is continually stressed 

And these guys have a level of fitness that we can’t even dream about - their bodies have to deal with the stresses and they often cannot ….

I know, this kind of thing proper interests me. If we start getting these strains due to demands surely there’s a fine tweak in training made so that it reduces the stresses. They go on about fine lines in pro game, surely this is one of them?

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Lesta2014 said:

I don’t get this tiredness causing injuries in pro players. I know it’s completely different, but how many lads play Saturday 90 minutes and then the same Sunday all season and don’t get injured. Now I know the fitness levels are different but surely the unfitter amateur should be the one getting the injuries over the professional athlete? The amateur lads will still sprint albeit not as quick but they also aren’t as fit. I’d love to see some evidence on this from both sides!

Completely different world. You can tell on match days how quick, strong and athletic these players are. It must be like getting hit by a car when they go into each other. Plus the amount they train, the muscles must be so tight, injuries are bound to occur. I’d imagine they would be able to play Sunday league 24/7 and barely break a sweat never mind get injured. They are finely tuned machines now, not humans 

[kingston_fox]

It's a self defeating cycle - we have to rush players back to cover the new injuries which results in more injuries. 

 

The medical team are probably under pressure to patch up what we have so we can try and compete in the next game. To suggest they are incompetent is a simplistic and easy argument to make but given the resources we have available I doubt we are really giving justice to what they are having to cope with.

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, Lesta2014 said:

I don’t get this tiredness causing injuries in pro players. I know it’s completely different, but how many lads play Saturday 90 minutes and then the same Sunday all season and don’t get injured. Now I know the fitness levels are different but surely the unfitter amateur should be the one getting the injuries over the professional athlete? The amateur lads will still sprint albeit not as quick but they also aren’t as fit. I’d love to see some evidence on this from both sides!

Probably like comparing a prize thoroughbred with a cart horse.

Edited 8 January 2022 by WigstonWanderer

[Fox in the North]

35 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

With injuries please remember that we’ve just lived through two of the most insane seasons in history. One season cut short then resumed with 3 games a week, followed by a tiny summer break straight into another full season this time with major International championships following them. Plus new COVID variants every couple of months, etc. It’s not a surprise that many teams in the league are decimated! Whilst we’ve been hit particularly hard I’m surprised that other teams haven’t had similar problems. 
 

Player welfare has been second to keeping the fixture schedule going for some time now. 

In addition those two insane seasons have also been two of the most consistent we’ve ever been (aside from our late capitulations in the league).

 

There have been many curious injuries but I think the majority of the ones we are currently suffering are impact injuries outside of our control.

I appreciate people giving Rodgers stick about leaving the players on but equally if the players themselves don’t necessarily know how bad their own injury is and they tell the medical staff otherwise. At the end of the day unless scans show otherwise, only the players can tell the staff/manager how they are feeling and if they can carry on.
 

I don’t know what Rodgers is supposed to do in terms of taking them off/leaving them on, particularly in a game like the Liverpool quarter final, when it’s a high stakes knockout game. The timing of the AFCON tournament really hits us at the worst point when we need those players the most.

 

Rodgers certainly has some failings, but I don’t think this boils down to one person’s decision making and that as ever with a crisis there are many factors that have contributed to this hideous situation. 

[Fox in the North]

7 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Completely different world. You can tell on match days how quick, strong and athletic these players are. It must be like getting hit by a car when they go into each other. Plus the amount they train, the muscles must be so tight, injuries are bound to occur. I’d imagine they would be able to play Sunday league 24/7 and barely break a sweat never mind get injured. They are finely tuned machines now, not humans 

The way their lifestyles are monitored in comparison to even 20 years ago, they are akin to Olympic athletes. In terms of physicality, footballers have never ran longer or faster. It is a medical arms race and we are probably pushing the limit in terms of the number of professional games too.
 

People point to covid vaccines as a curious issue for these footballers who suddenly collapse, but I think it’s no coincidence that more players are collapsing when they are physically pushing their bodies to their natural limits.

Edited 8 January 2022 by Fox in the North

[Lesta2014]

1 minute ago, Fox in the North said:

In addition those two insane seasons have also been two of the most consistent we’ve ever been (aside from our late capitulations in the league).

 

There have been many curious injuries but I think the majority of the ones we are currently suffering are impact injuries outside of our control.

I appreciate people giving Rodgers stick about leaving the players on but equally if the players themselves don’t necessarily know how bad their own injury is and they tell the medical staff otherwise. At the end of the day unless scans show otherwise, only the players can tell the staff/manager how they are feeling and if they can carry on.
 

I don’t know what Rodgers is supposed to do in terms of taking them off/leaving them on, particularly in a game like the Liverpool quarter final, when it’s a high stakes knockout game. The timing of the AFCON tournament really hits us at the worst point when we need those players the most.

 

Rodgers certainly has some failings, but I don’t think this boils down to one person’s decision making and that as ever with a crisis there are many factors that have contributed to this hideous situation. 

I agree everyone has played on when they know they shouldn’t, pros won’t be no different! Other than heart rate monitors there’s no way of tracking muscle injuries mid game etc so fully get that. 

 

my main hope is the overhaul of the medical staff and the move to the training ground will marry up for a 15/16 like season for injuries next season. Yes the World Cup is in winter but should mean players get a longer summer break this year to recover fully etc from jiggly stuff that simply needs rest to clear up.

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 minute ago, kingston_fox said:

It's a self defeating cycle - we have to rush players back to cover the new injuries which results in more injuries. 

 

The medical team are probably under pressure to patch up what we have so we can try and compete in the next game. To suggest they are incompetent is a simplistic and easy argument to make but given the resources we have available I doubt we are really giving justice to what they are having to cope with.

The issue for me is who is directing them to patch these players up. I am fairly certain as experienced and qualified medical professionals they will be advising our management team of what preventative and rehabilitation measures and timescales should be taken, the issue is whether there opinions and advice are being taken onboard, if you are consistently being undermined or your professional opinion ignored to the detriment of the health of players etc I can only imagine it leads to an unhappy work environment with incredibly low morale 

[funkyrobot]

10 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

There are many clubs with more than 10 injuries right now:

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

 

Brentford, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich, Southampton and Watford all have at least 10 injuries right now. We have 17 which is ludicrous but we are not alone in having tons of injuries.

Don’t forget that 10 injuries at Liverpool is significantly worse than 17 injuries at Leicester as they are a member of the big 6. 

[Fox in the North]

2 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

I agree everyone has played on when they know they shouldn’t, pros won’t be no different! Other than heart rate monitors there’s no way of tracking muscle injuries mid game etc so fully get that. 

 

my main hope is the overhaul of the medical staff and the move to the training ground will marry up for a 15/16 like season for injuries next season. Yes the World Cup is in winter but should mean players get a longer summer break this year to recover fully etc from jiggly stuff that simply needs rest to clear up.

I think the overhaul will come. We’ve already seen a big shift in the senior academy staff this year and I would be very surprised if there is no review of the medical staff after this season. We have the facilities of a first class team now, no doubt we will try to fill it with the right people.

[Beachyboy]

8 minutes ago, kingston_fox said:

It's a self defeating cycle - we have to rush players back to cover the new injuries which results in more injuries. 

 

The medical team are probably under pressure to patch up what we have so we can try and compete in the next game. To suggest they are incompetent is a simplistic and easy argument to make but given the resources we have available I doubt we are really giving justice to what they are having to cope with.

Would it be the worst thing if we missed European football next year, the CL is rated so much more and with the extra midweek time to rest/ recover and implement some extra practices during the week, we are really struggling to fight on all fronts as has been shown with the two Europa campaigns.

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

There are many clubs with more than 10 injuries right now:

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

 

Brentford, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich, Southampton and Watford all have at least 10 injuries right now. We have 17 which is ludicrous but we are not alone in having tons of injuries.

Liverpool, Norwich and Southampton are mainly covid or AFCON though.

 

I don't deny this last 2 years will be making a difference but with us we are taking the piss and Rodgers has previous. 

[Ric Flair]

12 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Don’t forget that 10 injuries at Liverpool is significantly worse than 17 injuries at Leicester as they are a member of the big 6. 

And 6 of those 10 are covid and AFCON

[deep blue]

30 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

There are many clubs with more than 10 injuries right now:

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

 

Brentford, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich, Southampton and Watford all have at least 10 injuries right now. We have 17 which is ludicrous but we are not alone in having tons of injuries.

So you're saying the our injury problem isn't something extraordinary, justifying that by pointing out it is 50% worse than our nearest rivals for that spot?

[StriderHiryu]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Liverpool, Norwich and Southampton are mainly covid or AFCON though.

 

I don't deny this last 2 years will be making a difference but with us we are taking the piss and Rodgers has previous. 

I’m sorry I’m not having this on Rodgers. He’s not telling players to get their legs broken by the opposition. 
 

As a club an investigation and overhaul of the physio department should be looked at but it’s not all on one person, it’s a team collective here. 
 

There’s always some element of luck involved too. In 15-16 we had something like 50% less injuries then any other club. Maybe karma has decided to cash in on that magic voodoo this season 🤣!

[lcfc_forever]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

With injuries please remember that we’ve just lived through two of the most insane seasons in history. One season cut short then resumed with 3 games a week, followed by a tiny summer break straight into another full season this time with major International championships following them. Plus new COVID variants every couple of months, etc. It’s not a surprise that many teams in the league are decimated! Whilst we’ve been hit particularly hard I’m surprised that other teams haven’t had similar problems. 
 

Player welfare has been second to keeping the fixture schedule going for some time now. 

This. 
 

The combination of us having our whole back 4 out at the start of the season meant our defensive players were playing more games by necessity from the very start. Combined with the sheer volume of games because we’re in European competition and the unrelenting schedule meant we picked up more injuries. In contrast, the likes of Arsenal have picked up far fewer injuries and been able to largely play the same defence. 

 

Liverpool were massively hit the previous season for similar reasons. 

The club know the players in the danger zone for potential injuries but have had to play them as there were no alternatives. It does appear they have become even

more cautious as they can’t afford any more injuries and decided to use our youth players. 
 

Where I think criticism of Rodgers is fair is over the signing of Vestergaard. Evans played far more as a result of the signing not working out, and that increased the likelihood of him getting an injury.