Scotch Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 9 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said: Milik available for £7 million apparently. This is absolutely the right move. I can't think of a better option.
Guest SO1 Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 36 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I've not heard anything substantial from anyone who is a decent source but I think all the stars are aligning for a January exit, he's changed agents (or rather now has a proper agent lol), our season is a dead rubber and his contract is running down. I'd be more surprised if he wasn't a Leicester player come the end of the window. I'd be fairly happy getting that sort of deal for him now all things considered. Love to see it. Curious to see how Rodgers pushes him on. Its a different world down here and he will have to push himself hard to make it to the next level.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13737376/derby-knight-sibley-pay-wages-wayne-rooney-administration/ Was it mightyfin (never know if he’s reliable) that said we were tracking Jason Knight? He’s sort of a Choudhury energetic type but more genuine box to box from what I’ve seen. Could be going pretty cheap if they’re that desperate
AjcW Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 6 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13737376/derby-knight-sibley-pay-wages-wayne-rooney-administration/ Was it mightyfin (never know if he’s reliable) that said we were tracking Jason Knight? He’s sort of a Choudhury energetic type but more genuine box to box from what I’ve seen. Could be going pretty cheap if they’re that desperate They're both clear talents. Sibley especially, Rooney basically said he's like him. To be honest if we were feeling charitable we could buy them both and loan back
weller54 Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 1 hour ago, Lesta2014 said: Milik available for £7 million apparently. How much will his Agent cream off the top? 1
Heymister2015 Posted 13 January 2021 Posted 13 January 2021 56 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13737376/derby-knight-sibley-pay-wages-wayne-rooney-administration/ Was it mightyfin (never know if he’s reliable) that said we were tracking Jason Knight? He’s sort of a Choudhury energetic type but more genuine box to box from what I’ve seen. Could be going pretty cheap if they’re that desperate When were forest and derby last Good? Forest I’d say 93/94 when they finished top 3 in the prem?? So forest fans have followed a rubbish team for 26 years! Derby had a good season 97/98?? Top half of the prem. so about 22 years of rubbish for derby fans! 1
gurru991 Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 3 hours ago, Jazzy_Jeff said: Watching the spurs vs Fulham game I still like loftus-cheek. Would go in for him this summer The Fulham forum really don't think too much of him. One goal & zero assists in 8 appearances (700 minutes). 1
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 14 January 2021 Popular Post Posted 14 January 2021 (edited) Milik is pump. He's managed double figures once ever outside the Eredivisie and that's in five years, he's been inconsistent with both injuries and finishing. He's not even registered for their league squad this year is he? And about to turn 27, with Vards having maybe two years left in him as first choice, Milik is going to be pushing thirty by the time he gets near regular starting. It means he's always just going to be an option. Now, the people claiming that's fine because we need a plan B and 7m is cheap, ask yourself what we'll actually be paying him weekly and remind yourself how significant it is we just got another striker off the books that we were paying a fortune to. Edouard is a better age, is no more a risk or an unknown, would probably command less wages and is probably a bit more versatile. That and neither are a priority over a wide forward if Under isn't the man for Brendan. Edited 14 January 2021 by Finnegan 6
Lesta2014 Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Milik is pump. He's managed double figures once ever outside the Eredivisie and that's in five years, he's been inconsistent with both injuries and finishing. He's not even registered for their league squad this year is he? And about to turn 27, with Vards having maybe two years left in him as first choice, Milik is going to be pushing thirty by the time he gets near regular starting. It means he's always just going to be an option. Now, the people claiming that's fine because we need a plan B and 7m is cheap, ask yourself what we'll actually be paying him weekly and remind yourself how significant it is we just got another striker off the books that we were paying a fortune to. Edouard is a better age, is no more a risk or an unknown, would probably command less wages and is probably a bit more versatile. That and neither are a priority over a wide forward if Under isn't the man for Brendan. Personally would prefer edouard but know plenty on here like milik.
Finnegan Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 2 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said: Personally would prefer edouard but know plenty on here like milik. It's because he plays for Napoli and has a reputation, regardless of how unfounded it is. In reality it'd be a massive waste of the opportunity we have in finally losing Slimani by committing his doppelganger* to a four year contract of probably similar value. If Edouard played literally anywhere else but Scotland, people would be jizzing over the prospect of getting him at a cut price. It's just silly prejudice against the SPL. * OK that's a bit harsh, they've certainly got a different style. But the basics are similar. 2
Scotch Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 15 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Milik is pump. He's managed double figures once ever outside the Eredivisie and that's in five years, he's been inconsistent with both injuries and finishing. He's not even registered for their league squad this year is he? And about to turn 27, with Vards having maybe two years left in him as first choice, Milik is going to be pushing thirty by the time he gets near regular starting. It means he's always just going to be an option. Now, the people claiming that's fine because we need a plan B and 7m is cheap, ask yourself what we'll actually be paying him weekly and remind yourself how significant it is we just got another striker off the books that we were paying a fortune to. Edouard is a better age, is no more a risk or an unknown, would probably command less wages and is probably a bit more versatile. That and neither are a priority over a wide forward if Under isn't the man for Brendan. Wow, where to start? First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard... Secondly, what season are we talking about his double figures? The 18/19 season or the 19/20 season? He hit double figures in both. It's also worth noting that the two seasons he DIDN'T hit double figures in Italy, he played considerably less, averaging 1 goal in every 3 games. Yes, he hasn't been included in their squad this year but that's down to refusing to sign a new contract, nothing performance related so not really of relevance.
Finnegan Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 22 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said: First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard... Because Edouard hasn't had the opportunity to step up and Milik has, an opportunity he hasn't taken. If Edouard moves to a major league and underperforms, I'd use exactly the same stats. And I apologise, you're right, he scored all of eleven league goals in 19/20. Wow. And why he did he not get more? Because of three separate instances of injury, yet again. He's absolutely bang average and we'd end up lumping hundred grand a week for four or five years for him to come in and contribute little more than Perez or Iheanacho do. 2
The People's Hero Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 Milik is a funny one. I just don't know what to think. Edouard feels like it will happen as others have commented; the stars seem to be aligning. I really expected Benkovic to go there (with us paying the wages) as part of any deal though. That obviously didn't happen.
Blanchflower78 Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 I really worry with us now when it comes to striking purchases...
Dahnsouff Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 5 minutes ago, Blanchflower78 said: I really worry with us now when it comes to striking purchases... To be fair, the current bar is set ridiculously high! 1
snoopy87 Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 Edouard i think is the best option out there for us. Can come in and understudy to Vardy in the twilight of his career but will still know he'll get game time as he can play on the wing. We (hopefully) get the replacement we need up top and another option out wide all in one. If he's available at a knock down price than what was quoted in the summer we should be all over it
Scotch Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 12 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Because Edouard hasn't had the opportunity to step up and Milik has, an opportunity he hasn't taken. If Edouard moves to a major league and underperforms, I'd use exactly the same stats. And I apologise, you're right, he scored all of eleven league goals in 19/20. Wow. And why he did he not get more? Because of three separate instances of injury, yet again. He's absolutely bang average and we'd end up lumping hundred grand a week for four or five years for him to come in and contribute little more than Perez or Iheanacho do. 38 in 93 in Italy is hardly "underperforming" and in direct comparisson to the 53 goals in 96 games that Eduoard has in a far weaker league (it's not being disrespectful, it's being honest) I don't think the differance is massive. You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed. (Also, it doesn't matter that it was only 11. The point is, you started your entire argument off with a claim that was inaccurate. Hardly a decent starting point to punch home your point) 1
shen Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 45 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said: First off, why discount his goals in the Eredivisie? Why does his goal tally only matter outside of Holland? It cant be because it's a lower quality, not when you then go on to suggest Eduoard... 1) He hasn't reproduced the same goal form since 2) There are numerous examples of Eredivisie high scorers not cutting it in England (Kezman, Alves, van Wolfswinkel, Nilis, Tomasson, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Luuk and Siem de Jong, Tadic (arguably), Lens, etc.). There is reason to treat his numbers there with a grain of salt, even more considering how long ago it is.
shen Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said: You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed. But having Milik play second fiddle to Vardy for 1-2 years (which I think already makes any potential deal dead in the water - Milik will want to be a key player) would cost a fortune, while there's arguably more potential for less money with Edouard. Your concerns about a striker getting limited game time and being reliable are legit, but that goes for both Milik (who's already struggling with injury setbacks) as well as Edouard. Edited 14 January 2021 by shen
Scotch Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 4 minutes ago, snoopy87 said: Edouard i think is the best option out there for us. Can come in and understudy to Vardy in the twilight of his career but will still know he'll get game time as he can play on the wing. We (hopefully) get the replacement we need up top and another option out wide all in one. If he's available at a knock down price than what was quoted in the summer we should be all over it I wouldn't count on that too much. I certainly couldn't remember many incidents where he's played out wide. Maybe one or two. I done a bit of digging and it appears he's played there about 10 times for Celtic, mostly when he first arrived but I definately wouldnt sign him with the view of covering out wide.
Finnegan Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 2 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said: You compared Milik to Slimani but I put it to you that Eduoard could very well be just another Nacho in that asking a young, fairly inexperienced player for consistency whilst getting limited and sporadic game time is incredibly harsh on them. My argument has always been for a more experienced, mature player that can be counted on when needed. See, on paper I don't fundamentally disagree with any of that. In fact, I agree entirely when it comes to Iheanacho. The problem is that when you bring in an experienced striker like that, particularly someone like Milik who should be in his prime, you're either bringing in someone with problems or you're bringing in someone expensive. There's a reason we sign very few players in their prime, yes it means we take a lot of risks on young players but that's where we have to trust our scouting, that's done very well so far. A club in our position makes it's success by signing upwardly mobile youngsters that we can flip and eventually profit from. Players who will improve and take us forward whilst here and then be sold to help advance us further when they leave. Milik doesn't fit this profile and whilst the fee would be cheap, I highly doubt all the extras would be. If we were talking about some 31 year old signing a one or two year contract on the cheap to bring some experience and cover in to the squad that's one thing, a Kevin Phillips style signing, no problem. But that's not where Milik is in his career. He's more than likely looking around for a chance to be The Man having not quite seen his dream at Napoli live up to expectation and I doubt he's going to be happy if he rocks up here and finds he's never going to be first choice. Anyone with any sense is going to see the risk of that in advance and want to be compensated accordingly. I'm pretty confident it's not going to happen anyway because it doesn't fit our profile of a signing at all, so this is all moot. But regardless of your (justified) concerns over the challenges of signing a younger player to backup and eventually replace Vardy, it's something we WILL need to do in the near future. I don't think letting the disappointment of Nacho stop us doing so moving forward is constructive. 1
Scotch Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 10 minutes ago, shen said: 1) He hasn't reproduced the same goal form since 2) There are numerous examples of Eredivisie high scorers not cutting it in England (Kezman, Alves, van Wolfswinkel, Nilis, Tomasson, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Luuk and Siem de Jong, Tadic (arguably), Lens, etc.). There is reason to treat his numbers there with a grain of salt, even more considering how long ago it is. That argument could be made for pretty much any league in the world. There are always going to be hits and misses. You've listed the flops but some of the best attacking players that the EPL has saw have also came from Holland, like RVP, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, Robben, Bergkamp, Hasselbaink, Kuyt.... 1
Scotch Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 10 minutes ago, Finnegan said: See, on paper I don't fundamentally disagree with any of that. In fact, I agree entirely when it comes to Iheanacho. The problem is that when you bring in an experienced striker like that, particularly someone like Milik who should be in his prime, you're either bringing in someone with problems or you're bringing in someone expensive. There's a reason we sign very few players in their prime, yes it means we take a lot of risks on young players but that's where we have to trust our scouting, that's done very well so far. A club in our position makes it's success by signing upwardly mobile youngsters that we can flip and eventually profit from. Players who will improve and take us forward whilst here and then be sold to help advance us further when they leave. Milik doesn't fit this profile and whilst the fee would be cheap, I highly doubt all the extras would be. If we were talking about some 31 year old signing a one or two year contract on the cheap to bring some experience and cover in to the squad that's one thing, a Kevin Phillips style signing, no problem. But that's not where Milik is in his career. He's more than likely looking around for a chance to be The Man having not quite seen his dream at Napoli live up to expectation and I doubt he's going to be happy if he rocks up here and finds he's never going to be first choice. Anyone with any sense is going to see the risk of that in advance and want to be compensated accordingly. I'm pretty confident it's not going to happen anyway because it doesn't fit our profile of a signing at all, so this is all moot. But regardless of your (justified) concerns over the challenges of signing a younger player to backup and eventually replace Vardy, it's something we WILL need to do in the near future. I don't think letting the disappointment of Nacho stop us doing so moving forward is constructive. A very reasonable argument. The difference in my opinion is that i think we ultimately disagree on how much playing time this second striker should get. I think your looking at him as an understudy to Vardy, getting 15 mins at the end of games and the odd start here and there. I personally think that after this season, we should be looking at fading Vardy out more and more. Vardy is an absolute freak in respect to what he can do at his age. I feel that to preserve him and prolong his career here, we should be looking at someone to take far more responsibility of being the main striker (wether that's Milik or not) far sooner than I think most on here are. Potetially, we could have Vardy at this level of performance for another 4 years if he maybe starts half as much and plays 60 minutes per game rather than 90. Imagine Vardy coming on for the last 20 minutes of games? Ultimately, you're looking for the perfect super sub, I think we already have him in Vardy. What we need is the perfect ready made replacement. As for french Eddy, I do actually like him. 6 months ago, I would have jumped at the opportunity. Since then I think a fair whiff of doubt has understandably creeped in due to his recent performances. Either he's had a massive drop of form or he's downed tools but there has been times I've saw him this year and he's looked nowhere near the quality we need but like I said, I like him and hope that it's just a blip. 1
coolhandfox Posted 14 January 2021 Posted 14 January 2021 I just think Edouard fit our recent recruitment profile more, and I think his more likely to be willing to be Vardy's understudy then Milik. Before people say Edouard has only done it in the SPL, I suggest they have a look at Tierney performances for Arsenal. For what its worth I'd take both of them over Nacho.
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