The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

[Finnegan]

The fact someone at the Mercury was bothered enough to turn a throw away Don Goodman comment in to an actual article is unbelievably embarrassing. 

 

The fact any of you are debating it is arguably even worse. 

 

Who gives a fvck. Jesus. 

[Jack1993]

If Leicester had 21 points deducted the year we won the League we would've finished 7th and would have qualified for the Europa League 

[AKCJ]

Derby are 4/1 and Leicester were 5,000/1.

[gerrytaggart]

Don bad man

[Yes]

It’d be impressive but if they do it we’re not going to be talking about Derby beating Reading, Peterborough and Barnsley to survival in 10 years time. 
 

Side note, love how it always comes back to our achievement, it’s the standard and clearly the one to beat anytime something happens in sport it’s the 1st one people make comparisons with. Winds Forest fans up too which is just the icing on the cake. 

[Spudulike]

27 minutes ago, Yes said:

It’d be impressive but if they do it we’re not going to be talking about Derby beating Reading, Peterborough and Barnsley to survival in 10 years time. 
 

Side note, love how it always comes back to our achievement, it’s the standard and clearly the one to beat anytime something happens in sport it’s the 1st one people make comparisons with. Winds Forest fans up too which is just the icing on the cake. 

I also like the references but only to a point. Sometimes it feels like we are being spoken about as if we were  Halifax Town or some other giant killer. LCFC were already a top 20 Premier League club in the all-time league table so, although the bookies did the 5000-1 thing, the club were no rookies despite the image portrayed in the media. 

[Out Foxed]

sheepshaggers haven't even done it yet

[Yes]

12 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I also like the references but only to a point. Sometimes it feels like we are being spoken about as if we were  Halifax Town or some other giant killer. LCFC were already a top 20 Premier League club in the all-time league table so, although the bookies did the 5000-1 thing, the club were no rookies despite the image portrayed in the media. 

Yeah I didn’t like it when people were acting like we were some tiny club that no one had ever heard of because it’s obviously untrue, but anyone who said that was in a minority, most just take it for what it was and still rate it very highly which is why anytime someone even looks like achieving anything it’s “would it be bigger than Leicester?” 

[bovril]

22 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I also like the references but only to a point. Sometimes it feels like we are being spoken about as if we were  Halifax Town or some other giant killer. LCFC were already a top 20 Premier League club in the all-time league table so, although the bookies did the 5000-1 thing, the club were no rookies despite the image portrayed in the media. 

It was the most miraculous sports win ever. If anything it's underappreciated.

[Footballwipe]

19 hours ago, bovril said:

It was the most miraculous sports win ever. If anything it's underappreciated.

And yet you'll still see Forest fans claiming their European Cups were more miraculous, despite the fact it was 100x easier to win the European Cup in those days than it would be today.

 

Everyone has their biases, but to even try and deny something like us winning the title being the greatest English football (or sport if you feel inclined) achievement ever is just plain folly.

[Yes]

4 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

And yet you'll still see Forest fans claiming their European Cups were more miraculous, despite the fact it was 100x easier to win the European Cup in those days than it would be today.

 

Everyone has their biases, but to even try and deny something like us winning the title being the greatest English football (or sport if you feel inclined) achievement ever is just plain folly.

It’s hilarious how every time you see one of those posts on social media that says ours is the best underdog story the comments are crawling with Forest fans crying that the post is about us and not them, still see it to this day they really can’t hack theirs isn’t considered as big as ours, even those connected to their club were at it when we first won it, sums them up. 

 

To be fair I still think it’s impressive how they did it, but you’re 100% right it was easier you only have to look at who they faced along the way, the team they faced in the first final were the underdogs not Forest, the bloke who scored the winner was a British record signing that cost as much as Jamie Vardy despite being bought over 30 years earlier, it just doesn’t compare. 

[Messi]

On 05/01/2022 at 08:56, davieG said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-derby-county-survival-6441653?fbclid=IwAR3DzaQG3K2vouZg0ghG8VjTls349HG6_lxYwhGdaojJy6iQ1ffTGknYuoU

 

Huge Leicester City title claim made over Derby County survival bid
Wayne Rooney's men are attempting to pull off an unlikely escape from relegation after a 21 point deduction this season.

ByAmie WilsonMidlands football writer
21:30, 4 JAN 2022

Sky Sports pundit Don Goodman has said that Derby County surviving relegation from the Championship would eclipse the achievement of Leicester City’s title win in 2016.

Wayne Rooney’s team have been deducted a total of 21 points by the EFL this season, leaving them at the bottom of the table.

However, three wins and a draw in their last four league games have put the side to within 11 points of safety and in with a fighting chance of staying in the league at the end of the season.

Derby, who are still in administration, have turned to free agents and young players to supplement their team.

City pulled off one of the biggest ever sporting shocks in 2016, defying odds of 5000-1 to lift their first ever Premier League trophy, just six months after pulling off an unlikely escape from relegation of their own.

But Goodman has said that if Rooney’s men do achieve survival at the end of this season, it will be a ‘bigger achievement’ than that achieved by Claudio Ranieri's team.

“Winning football matches breeds confidence and they’ve managed to rattle off three wins in a row which they really, really needed,” he said.

“If they pull this off, I’m going to put something out there. I would say it would be an even bigger achievement than Leicester City winning the Premier League, and I know that’s a big thing to say.

“It would be a minor miracle I have to say if they can pull it off, they’ve got no right to go close to be honest with you.”

 

 

That claim hasn’t gone down too well with City fans on social media.

“Further cause for my petition to stop cheapening the #LCFC title win with ridiculous comparisons,” one fan wrote, while a second said: “Yes, if they pull it off it would be a ‘minor miracle’ but what @LCFC did was a ‘major miracle’.”

 

John Gamble
Hardly a comparison when Derby are competing to finish above the worst 3 teams in the Championship. Good luck to them anyway

 

Paul Wright
Derby trying desperately trying to get in the east Midlands debate what achievement was bigger, leicester winning the Premier league, Nottingham forest winning 2 European cups.........or Derby surviving relegation from the 2nd tier

Just came across this comment on LinkedIn that could blow Goodman’s claims out the water! What are these people smoking?! 😂😂😂

[Raw Dykes]

43 minutes ago, Messi said:

Just came across this comment on LinkedIn that could blow Goodman’s claims out the water! What are these people smoking?! 😂😂😂

Where were you when Derby escaped relegation from the Championship?

[Jon the Hat]

So having 21 points more than a relegation team in a 24 team league makes you a brilliant manager?

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

Rooney’s doing a good job at Derby. However, anyone who suggests if he pulls it off it’s even close to our title win is deluded. 
 

These same deluded lot are the ones who tell us our title win was a fluke because they still can’t comprehend what we did. That answers their questions. 

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

So having 21 points more than a relegation team in a 24 team league makes you a brilliant manager?

They have huge restrictions on their squad BUT they didn’t start the season with a non league playing staff! 

 

where they have weaknesses they are stuffed and have to play has beens but let’s not pretend he’s working with alfreton’s squad ….

[Strokes]

It isn’t even as big as Leicester getting promoted under Adams ffs.

If Derby were in and around the playoff places, I think people might take notice.

[Spudulike]

11 hours ago, Messi said:

Just came across this comment on LinkedIn that could blow Goodman’s claims out the water! What are these people smoking?! 😂😂😂

Good luck trying to win 2 European Cups as the competition died in 1992 

[BenTheFox]

23 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

And yet you'll still see Forest fans claiming their European Cups were more miraculous, despite the fact it was 100x easier to win the European Cup in those days than it would be today.

 

Everyone has their biases, but to even try and deny something like us winning the title being the greatest English football (or sport if you feel inclined) achievement ever is just plain folly.

I think we are underplaying their achievement too if I'm being honest, because we are Leicester fans. I'm not really arsed about them having won two European cups though. I would much rather have won fewer trophies and actually been alive to see the success. I was 21 and 26 years-old respectively when we won the league and the FA cup. There is absolutely no comparison between what I have witnessed and what Forest fans my age have witnessed in our lifetime. 

[FuriousFox46]

What Forest did is impressive but it’s not on the same level as our achievement. Not even close really. 
 

As for Derby, mid-table Championship form is exactly what’s expected of them - it’s barely an achievement.

Edited 7 January 2022 by FuriousFox46

[OntarioFox]

Scenes when Derby inch out of the relegation zone in April before being hit with another points deduction and getting flushed.

[BenTheFox]

2 minutes ago, FuriousFox46 said:

What Forest did is impressive but it’s not on the same level as our achievement. Not even close really. 
 

As for Derby, mid-table Championship form is exactly what’s expected of them - it’s barely an achievement.

Is it not? They won the league immediately after being promoted with what for the most part was a team of misfits and then went onto win back-to-back European cups, toppling Liverpool who were not only the dominant force in England at the time, but also Europe. I know they broke the British transfer record for Trevor Francis during that time, but they kept a lot of the side that were considered mid-table 2nd division players when Clough tookover. 

The financial disparity between the elite and us is what makes our achievement so special and probably more impressive. 

[Footballwipe]

33 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I think we are underplaying their achievement too if I'm being honest, because we are Leicester fans. I'm not really arsed about them having won two European cups though. I would much rather have won fewer trophies and actually been alive to see the success. I was 21 and 26 years-old respectively when we won the league and the FA cup. There is absolutely no comparison between what I have witnessed and what Forest fans my age have witnessed in our lifetime. 

Probably right tbh, there is an element of trigger in me because I'm sick of people trying to compare our achievement to anything that's everso slightly out of the ordinary. Remember that heady day when Burnley were fourth (before the round of fixtures had even been finished that midweek) and the narrative was "Well if Burnley finish top four it might be a better achievement that Leicester."

 

I guess it's an easy shot, and an easy comparison to make. Div 2 to Div 1 champs and Euro cup winners twice in a row for Forest is obviously impressive, and we'd be lauding it now if it was us. The only thing I'd really counter with is that under Clough, Derby had won the title a couple of years after promotion from Div 2, and got to the Semis of the European Cup the season after their title win. Teams could win the title shortly after promotion, and could go deep in continental competition.

[BenTheFox]

3 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Probably right tbh, there is an element of trigger in me because I'm sick of people trying to compare our achievement to anything that's everso slightly out of the ordinary. Remember that heady day when Burnley were fourth (before the round of fixtures had even been finished that midweek) and the narrative was "Well if Burnley finish top four it might be a better achievement that Leicester."

 

I guess it's an easy shot, and an easy comparison to make. Div 2 to Div 1 champs and Euro cup winners twice in a row for Forest is obviously impressive, and we'd be lauding it now if it was us. The only thing I'd really counter with is that under Clough, Derby had won the title a couple of years after promotion from Div 2, and got to the Semis of the European Cup the season after their title win. Teams could win the title shortly after promotion, and could go deep in continental competition.

That was possible even up until the mid 90's with Blackburn and Newcastle, who really should have won the league!

[Foxdiamond]

9 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Probably right tbh, there is an element of trigger in me because I'm sick of people trying to compare our achievement to anything that's everso slightly out of the ordinary. Remember that heady day when Burnley were fourth (before the round of fixtures had even been finished that midweek) and the narrative was "Well if Burnley finish top four it might be a better achievement that Leicester."

 

I guess it's an easy shot, and an easy comparison to make. Div 2 to Div 1 champs and Euro cup winners twice in a row for Forest is obviously impressive, and we'd be lauding it now if it was us. The only thing I'd really counter with is that under Clough, Derby had won the title a couple of years after promotion from Div 2, and got to the Semis of the European Cup the season after their title win. Teams could win the title shortly after promotion, and could go deep in continental competition.

What Forest did was amazing and we should not worry if some think it more impressive than our League win. To be the first new winners for 38 years plus the way the money has changed the competition is still brilliant.  To think we are also the newest name of FA cup winners for 8 years adds more gloss.