Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Kingleicester]

6 point deduction and a 10 million fine each, and tbf that’s soft, but would hurt Spurs about Arsenal 

[Vlad the Fox]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

The intention was for it to be a midweek league that did NOT take place of the domestic league. At least not at first.

This is true, and a point a lot of the pundits forget. However, the money involved would have made the premier leagues top six completely impenetrable. They wanted to control all the European money as well as all the domestic prize money. Completely and utterly reprehensible, their intention was to basically shut everyone out of ever competing with them again, in Europe and domestically. 
 

Initially I was against a points ban as the swift collapse of the esl was in part due to the actions of supporters of these clubs, I now wish they’d thrown the book at them. However I wanted the remaining 14 to shut them out and commence a power grab of their own making the league more equal and competing, and removing power from the six. This clearly isn’t going to happen, I fear a government and fan led body will have little influence or any real teeth to force change. The fines and punishments are pathetic, they’ll lay low for a while and then gradually they'll start to slowly make their move again, but this time they’ll approach it differently, sell it differently, try and make it more palatable or slowly make more and more demands and we’ll end up there again but with a bit stealth and snide behind closed doors meetings. The government should quickly introduce laws that will allow them to remove operating licences etc if any move is tried again, forcing the slimy six to move out the country if they wish to compete in such competition in the future.

 

And eufa needs to grow some. Remove barcelona, real and juventus from next years champions league as they’re still arguing the legitimacy of the esl and don’t allow them back in until they shut it down. 

Edited 13 June 2021 by Vlad the Fox

[MPH]

43 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

This is true, and a point a lot of the pundits forget. However, the money involved would have made the premier leagues top six completely impenetrable. They wanted to control all the European money as well as all the domestic prize money. Completely and utterly reprehensible, their intention was to basically shut everyone out of ever competing with them again, in Europe and domestically. 
 

Initially I was against a points ban as the swift collapse of the esl was in part due to the actions of supporters of these clubs, I now wish they’d thrown the book at them. However I wanted the remaining 14 to shut them out and commence a power grab of their own making the league more equal and competing, and removing power from the six. This clearly isn’t going to happen, I fear a government and fan led body will have little influence or any real teeth to force change. The fines and punishments are pathetic, they’ll lay low for a while and then gradually they'll start to slowly make their move again, but this time they’ll approach it differently, sell it differently, try and make it more palatable or slowly make more and more demands and we’ll end up there again but with a bit stealth and snide behind closed doors meetings. The government should quickly introduce laws that will allow them to remove operating licences etc if any move is tried again, forcing the slimy six to move out the country if they wish to compete in such competition in the future.

 

And eufa needs to grow some. Remove barcelona, real and juventus from next years champions league as they’re still arguing the legitimacy of the esl and don’t allow them back in until they shut it down. 

 

close their academies for 2 years ( redistributing the talent)

 20 points deduction

or issue a 2 year transfer  ban

 

 

or maybe all 3

 

 

i mentioned a few days ago  that the propaganda will start again about young stars moving abroad.. the flow of money having dried up  and how the national team is suffering because of it.

 

and then Boom, they’ll try again in a few years time. Such ludicrously bad punishments  they’ve basically given them a green light to try again soon.

[Jattdogg]

Maybe we should rename this thread to "Big 6 up the EPL arse" (not that 6" is massive)

 

Literally bent over and let the big 6 have their way IMO.  Shameful.

 

 

Edited 15 June 2021 by Jattdogg

[st albans fox]

On 13/06/2021 at 17:12, Vlad the Fox said:

And eufa needs to grow some. Remove barcelona, real and juventus from next years champions league as they’re still arguing the legitimacy of the esl and don’t allow them back in until they shut it down. 

Uefa have frozen their action against the three. Whether that’s to avoid bad publicity during the euros or because they have found legal issues in pursuing them isn’t clear. I suspect the latter. 
 

 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

European Super League: Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus to carry on with breakaway plans

Court rules that UEFA's disciplinary proceedings against the founding 12 clubs of the European Super League must be scrapped; Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus release joint statement welcoming decision; case to now be assessed by European Court of Justice

Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid have vowed to carry on with plans for a European Super League after winning an important court battle with UEFA.

A court in Madrid has ruled that the governing body's disciplinary proceedings against the founding 12 clubs of the proposed breakaway league must be scrapped, while the case will now be assessed by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg.

Twelve clubs announced themselves as founder members of the Super League on April 18, but the competition collapsed within 72 hours after nine withdrew amid fan protest, opposition from UEFA, FIFA and domestic leagues and even the British Government and Royal Family.

Those nine clubs - Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and AC Milan - were each handed an approximate £7m fine by UEFA and fined five per cent of their prize money.

But a court in Spain has ruled those penalties must be removed while ongoing disciplinary proceedings against Barca, Juve and Madrid - who have always stuck by the project - must also be terminated.

Chelsea supporters display a 'fans not customers' banner in protest over plans for a European Super League

It is a potentially seismic decision for the future of club football in Europe, with those three clubs vowing to plow on and end UEFA's "monopolistic position".

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A joint statement on their websites read: "FC Barcelona, Juventus, and Real Madrid CF welcome today's Court's decision enforcing, with immediate effect, UEFA's obligation to unwind the actions taken against all European Super League founding clubs, including terminating the disciplinary proceedings against the undersigning three clubs and removing the penalties and restrictions imposed on the remaining nine founding clubs for them to avoid UEFA's disciplinary action.

"The Court backs the request made by the promoters of the European Super League, dismisses UEFA's appeal, and confirms its warning to UEFA that failure to comply with its ruling shall result in fines and potential criminal liability.

"The case will be assessed by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, which shall review UEFA's monopolistic position over European football.

"We have the duty to address the very serious issues facing football: UEFA has established itself as the sole regulator, exclusive operator, and unique owner of rights of European football competitions.

"This monopolistic position, in conflict of interest, is damaging football and its competitive balance. As shown by ample evidence, financial controls are inadequate, and they have been improperly enforced. Clubs participating in European competitions have the right to govern their own competitions.

"We are pleased that going forward we will no longer be subject to ongoing UEFA's threats. Our aim is to keep developing the Super League project in a constructive and cooperative manner, always counting on all football stakeholders: fans, players, coaches, clubs, leagues, and national and international associations.

"We are aware that there are elements of our proposal that should be reviewed and, of course, can be improved through dialogue and consensus. We remain confident in the success of a project that will be always compliant with European Union laws."

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

"This monopolistic position, in conflict of interest, is damaging football and its competitive balance. As shown by ample evidence, financial controls are inadequate, and they have been improperly enforced. Clubs participating in European competitions have the right to govern their own competitions.

They're the ones who seem to be breaking the rules especially the financial ones.

 

This will go the way of UK TV rights with the EU calling Sky's sole broadcasting rights as uncompetitive and then allow a worst case of uncompetitive broadcasting certainly for the customer.

 

This decision could lead to a free for all not olny at UEFA level but Worldwide via FIFA and all so these clubs can get wastefully richer.

[Vacamion]

 

It appears that the punishment for some of the greedy six is to spend the close season, as they always have done, spending astronomical amounts on non-big-six clubs' best players.

 

The game is bent.

 

 

[KansasFox]

SO messed up!

 

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter!

 

[majaco]

Will the hyped 6 still be interested?  They got such bad publicity last time.

 

[st albans fox]

So it seems that those with the deepest pockets can afford the best legal brains ……… as mentioned above, we could see a euro court ruling that changes the future of the game (a bit like the bosman ruling did) 

[Corky]

5 minutes ago, majaco said:

Will the hyped 6 still be interested?  They got such bad publicity last time.

 

Depends if they feel it is still viable.

[Spiritwalker]

How utterly depressing.

[KingsX]

This was a decision by “a Spanish court”.  Which one and what is their jurisdiction? 

 

They declared in favor of the declared ESL holdouts … how amazing    given two of the three are among Spain’s biggest (and few competitive) brands worldwide.  For one of which, the ESL is the only escape route from massive competitive decline (and probably bankruptcy).

 

Calling on the legal minds ... what is the context here?  Is the ECJ the true battleground?  How will they see the arguments?

[STUHILL]

UEFA getting exactly what they deserve by consistently pandering to these clubs.

[Super_horns]

I mean if they want to go and play each other every week then so be it.

 

 

[Sly]

18 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I mean if they want to go and play each other every week then so be it.

 

 

Three team league at this point.

[davieG]

20 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I mean if they want to go and play each other every week then so be it.

 

 

The thing is they still want to be in their respective leagues where with their ring fenced money they'll dominate them even more.

 

If they go they and if UEFA can't stop them then they should exclude them from from the UEFA control national leagues.

 

It'll be like Crickets World Series set up by Aussie Kerry Packer, they may have had a legitimate reason over pay but this lot are already amply rewarded.

 

Wiki

 

World Series Cricket (WSC) was a professional cricket competition staged between 1977 and 1979 and organised by Kerry Packer for his Australian television network, Nine Network. A breakaway competition, the matches ran in opposition to established international cricket. World Series Cricket drastically changed the nature of cricket, and its influence continues to be felt today.

Two main factors caused the formation of WSC—the widespread view that players were not paid sufficient amounts to make a living from cricket, and that Packer wished to secure the exclusive broadcasting rights to Australian cricket, then held by the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC).

After the Australian Cricket Board (ACB) refused to accept Channel Nine's bid to gain exclusive television rights to Australia's Test matches in 1976, Packer set up his own series by secretly signing agreements with leading Australian, English, Pakistani, South African and West Indian players, most notably England captain Tony Greig, West Indies captain Clive Lloyd, Australian captain Greg Chappell, future Pakistani captain Imran Khan and former Australian Captain Ian Chappell. Packer was aided by businessmen John Cornell and Austin Robertson, both of whom were involved with the initial setup and administration of the series.