Brendan Rodgers

[Houdini Logic]

1 hour ago, Kevin Russell said:

History has taught us that it is very difficult for most Premiership sides to consistently compete with clubs that have significantly greater financial power. When you land a manager who has a demonstrated an ability across two seasons to unsettle the status quo - I think it’s rash to turf him out after a below par season. That’s my logic and I’m pretty comfortable with it!

History has taught us that it's not all about the price of players - it's about making sure you turf out the deadweight and get the most out of players who really want to be here/fight for the team, and get the team playing a consistent and effective style of football. That's what Pearson did and what Ranieri capitalised on.

And my personal opinion is that we are in a worse place now than when Rogers took charge. It isn't about this season - it's about how we're setting up for the future and right now I think it's looking pretty dismal. Roger's is actually getting the worst out of a decent set of players. And now he's chucking around blame (along with other mixed messages) rather than doing something about it. It has to start and end with the manager and a change is needed to give the club and players a direction to build on for the future

[Daggers]

And before someone accuses me of being entitled, I'd be perfectly happy to be visiting Yeovil and Walsall again.

[Dusty]

6 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

What would rodgers have to do to win us all round by the end of the season?

 

I am thinking that the board must be sure about him before they allow him to rebuild the team - or it would be better to get  new fella and give him all the dosh and a full preseason.

 

My list is simple:

1.  Rodgers explains that his tactics have been too negative  - the lack of attack in home games, the caution piddling about at the back; the defensive substitutions; and  his communication with the players is poor.  He admits that his obsession with ayoze and more latterly with the Southampton two has been and mistake. - in this way he gets out of denial.

2.   He appoints a new psychologist for the coaches and the squad

3.   he hires a defense coach

4.  he says he will stop blaming the fans and the players and will take responsibility himself.

So many things are wrong with the first one. It couldn’t be clearer that he doesn’t have an obsession with vestergaard and Bertrand, we play midfielders ahead of him at centre back. We can’t comment on his communication with the players because we aren’t privy to it, so that one is just made up. 
 

2&3 he doesn’t get to decide everyone who the club hires, he can have a say but it doesn’t mean it will happen. We have no evidence to say he hasn’t already tried, so can’t have a go at him for this either.

 

4 this has been something that I’ve never understood. I’ve never seen a manager at any club get so much hate for their post match press conferences and interviews. I can only assume it’s because people don’t like him and want something else to moan about. He probably could take more responsibility for mistakes and games when we don’t win, but I also notice that every time we do win, he always gives full credit to the players and praises them for their efforts. So that works both ways.

[foxinsocks]

9 minutes ago, Dusty said:

So many things are wrong with the first one. It couldn’t be clearer that he doesn’t have an obsession with vestergaard and Bertrand, we play midfielders ahead of him at centre back. We can’t comment on his communication with the players because we aren’t privy to it, so that one is just made up. 
 

2&3 he doesn’t get to decide everyone who the club hires, he can have a say but it doesn’t mean it will happen. We have no evidence to say he hasn’t already tried, so can’t have a go at him for this either.

 

4 this has been something that I’ve never understood. I’ve never seen a manager at any club get so much hate for their post match press conferences and interviews. I can only assume it’s because people don’t like him and want something else to moan about. He probably could take more responsibility for mistakes and games when we don’t win, but I also notice that every time we do win, he always gives full credit to the players and praises them for their efforts. So that works both ways.

He thinks it is acceptable to bring vetergaard on.

he said last week that he was telling the player and they were not responding to him

I am pretty sure the  club would back him on a psychologist and a defense coach - why pay player 100k per week if their heads are messed up

Rodger has sloping shoulders IMO:  and blames everything and everybody - we would all like him more if he took responsibility and said to fans that he understood d it was down to him to sort it out - its not hard - but it would gain a lot of support. - that's leadership.   The BBC press conference don't put any of he fans concerns to him and he is not challenged - he thinks he does great - but we have drawn our conclusions and he needs to address this perception

 

He says 5th was OK ( despite throwing away 3rd) - he says it snot him but the squad aren't doing as he says and need rebuilding by him so dont expect success any time soon - he says the fans transmit anxiety despite making defensive substitutions.    I am not dreaming these things - and so I am not surprised that his stock is falling .

Edited 14 February 2022 by foxinsocks

[SpacedX]

17 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I should've been working this afternoon but I reckoned people who pay me would prefer I spent it trying to fathom Rodgers.

 

17 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Honestly, having wasted my afternoon, I've even less of a clue what is going on than I had before.

You're fired. 

[Daggers]

Just now, Line-X said:

 

You're fired. 

Self employed. No one will be any the wiser

[The Year Of The Fox]

The contrast between Rooney and Rodgers’ method of taking the blame is stark.

 

Would be nice to see Rodgers take some responsibility. Hold his hands up and admit his errors. I think I’d have much more respect for him for doing that.
 

Pearson is my favourite manager by far, and was excellent at taking the spotlight away from the players.

 

I couldn’t stand Rooney as a player, but I’m starting to respect the bloke massively as a manager. 
 

How refreshing would it be for Rodgers to offer real insight, rather than contradicting himself on a weekly basis?

 

 

You can’t tell us the same players that finished 5th/bottled 4th, beat every Top 6 team in one season, are no longer good enough to beat a team in the Championship. For them to then go and deliver that quality of a second half yesterday. 
 

Tell us what’s really going on, rather than treating the fans like mugs that’ll lap anything up that you say. (Although some fans do do that in any case 😂😂)
 

 

 

Edited 14 February 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[Rigga]

A mixture of emotions yesterday..

first half was awful, the usual side to side and backwards rubbish and the crowd reacted to it… it  got even more toxic when Amartey tried to stop play for the injury to Antonio…

 

[Unabomber]

Atmosphere was decent second half for once. We really needed that goal before ht.

[ceebeefox]

40 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

What would rodgers have to do to win us all round by the end of the season?

 

I am thinking that the board must be sure about him before they allow him to rebuild the team - or it would be better to get  new fella and give him all the dosh and a full preseason.

 

My list is simple:

1.  Rodgers explains that his tactics have been too negative  - the lack of attack in home games, the caution piddling about at the back; the defensive substitutions; and  his communication with the players is poor.  He admits that his obsession with ayoze and more latterly with the Southampton two has been and mistake. - in this way he gets out of denial.

2.   He appoints a new psychologist for the coaches and the squad

3.   he hires a defense coach

4.  he says he will stop blaming the fans and the players and will take responsibility himself.

And leaves 2 up on opposition corners!!!

[Fazzer 7]

Just watched his post match interview on lcfc. No indication that it was his fault. Just that they need to find a more ruthless streak. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

18 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

The contrast between Rooney and Rodgers’ method of taking the blame is stark.

 

Would be nice to see Rodgers take some responsibility. Hold his hands up and admit his errors. I think I’d have much more respect for him for doing that.
 

Pearson is my favourite manager by far, and was excellent at taking the spotlight away from the players.

 

I couldn’t stand Rooney as a player, but I’m starting to respect the bloke massively as a manager. 
 

How refreshing would it be for Rodgers to offer real insight, rather than contradicting himself on a weekly basis?

 

 

You can’t tell us the same players that finished 5th/bottled 4th, beat every Top 6 team in one season, are no longer good enough to beat a team in the Championship. For them to then go and deliver that quality of a second half yesterday. 
 

Tell us what’s really going on, rather than treating the fans like mugs that’ll lap anything up that you say. (Although some fans do do that in any case 😂😂)
 

 

 

The other issue with Rodgers is that I don’t think he knows where the problems lie. 
 

Throwing the players under the bus regularly in a post match interview is much like Boris’ weak ‘Saville’ comeback at Starmer the other day. 
 

Under pressure, defending HIMSELF by any means necessary 

[AjcW]

42 minutes ago, Daggers said:

And before someone accuses me of being entitled, I'd be perfectly happy to be visiting Yeovil and Walsall again.

Same  it’s always Hereford I go back to in my mind… A) because it was league one and it was ****ing fun B) they no longer exist and we’ve won the league and an FA Cup since  

[alanf0x]

Guessing the ITKs have received calls this afternoon confirming Brendan hasn’t got the sack

[FoxyJim1987]

28 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

The contrast between Rooney and Rodgers’ method of taking the blame is stark.

 

Would be nice to see Rodgers take some responsibility. Hold his hands up and admit his errors. I think I’d have much more respect for him for doing that.
 

Pearson is my favourite manager by far, and was excellent at taking the spotlight away from the players.

 

I couldn’t stand Rooney as a player, but I’m starting to respect the bloke massively as a manager. 
 

How refreshing would it be for Rodgers to offer real insight, rather than contradicting himself on a weekly basis?

 

 

You can’t tell us the same players that finished 5th/bottled 4th, beat every Top 6 team in one season, are no longer good enough to beat a team in the Championship. For them to then go and deliver that quality of a second half yesterday. 
 

Tell us what’s really going on, rather than treating the fans like mugs that’ll lap anything up that you say. (Although some fans do do that in any case 😂😂)
 

 

 

Thing is he probably doesn't know what is going on, he's probably baffled that Amartey or Vestergaard became professional footballers 

[PAULCFC]

Hereford was brilliant and Southend when we won it.....would i swap that for now....NO.....But it was much more enjoyab

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[l444ry]

The reason Rodger's thinks we need a rebuild is probably because too many players have stopped listening to him. A  Manager only has so man team talks before the ears start clamming up.

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, l444ry said:

The reason Rodger's thinks we need a rebuild is probably because too many players have stopped listening to him. A  Manager only has so man team talks before the ears start clamming up.

That would be fine. Fergie did it successfully for years. 
 

But I don’t trust Rodgers to sign the right players to be honest. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, l444ry said:

The reason Rodger's thinks we need a rebuild is probably because too many players have stopped listening to him. A  Manager only has so man team talks before the ears start clamming up.

Thinks we had a guest speaker at half time against West Ham then?

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

 

The cup win we were favourites to win the tie in every single game and then got the flukey win against Chelsea in the final. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Cba if you've got that attitude.

 

A lot of cup finals are "flukey". Chelsea are a prime example of that with their CL final wins.

Actually I will also address "favourites to win the tie in every single game" because I've seen this from a couple of posters now.

 

Lets take Man City as the example as I'm always told they are "one of the greatest teams of all time" under Pep.

So when Pep won the FA Cup in 2018/19, this was Man City's run:

Rotherham (3rd)
Burnley (4th)
Newport (5th)
Swansea (Quarters)
Brighton (Semi)
Watford (Final)

 

So impressive that, compared to us, isn't it  

 

You'll remember Man City winning 4 league cups on the bounce. Good. Let's see who they played:

17/18
West Brom
Wolves
Leicester (Quarters)
Bristol City (Semi)
Arsenal (Final)

 

18/19
Oxford
Fulham
Leicester (Quarters)
Burton Albion (Semi)
Chelsea (Final)

 

19/20
Preston
Southampton
Oxford (Quarters)
Man Utd (Semi)
Villa (Final)

 

20/21
Bournemouth
Burnley
Arsenal (Quarters)
Man Utd (Semi)
Spurs (Final)

[Daggers]

16 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Same  it’s always Hereford I go back to in my mind… A) because it was league one and it was ****ing fun B) they no longer exist and we’ve won the league and an FA Cup since  

Hereford was a great day out until some dick took a mid-match swing at Cobbo for unknown reasons, missed, and hit me square in the face.

[Kevin Russell]

49 minutes ago, Houdini Logic said:

History has taught us that it's not all about the price of players - it's about making sure you turf out the deadweight and get the most out of players who really want to be here/fight for the team, and get the team playing a consistent and effective style of football. That's what Pearson did and what Ranieri capitalised on.

And my personal opinion is that we are in a worse place now than when Rogers took charge. It isn't about this season - it's about how we're setting up for the future and right now I think it's looking pretty dismal. Roger's is actually getting the worst out of a decent set of players. And now he's chucking around blame (along with other mixed messages) rather than doing something about it. It has to start and end with the manager and a change is needed to give the club and players a direction to build on for the future

I don’t think your version of history is wrong at all. It doesn’t really respond to what I said though. To consistently challenge is enormously difficult. Pearson and Ranieri both got us into difficult positions at the wrong end of the table at different points. Rogers has only ever had us at the top of the table and is now getting stick for probably delivering a top half finish.

 

I don’t think our outlook for the future is dismal at all, we have committed and competent owners; a talented squad; and a manager who has done ridiculously well since he’s been in charge. We are well set for an increasingly competitive future if we don’t make rash decisions. I would love us to be challenging for Top 4 for the third season in a row, but it was always going to be tough and the injury problems have made it worse.

 

Get the players fit (particularly at the back) add a bit of quality in summer and we will perform well. Given the injury problems a top half finish this year will be fine.

[Gamble92]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

 

Actually I will also address "favourites to win the tie in every single game" because I've seen this from a couple of posters now.

 

Lets take Man City as the example as I'm always told they are "one of the greatest teams of all time" under Pep.

So when Pep won the FA Cup in 2018/19, this was Man City's run:

Rotherham (3rd)
Burnley (4th)
Newport (5th)
Swansea (Quarters)
Brighton (Semi)
Watford (Final)

 

So impressive that, compared to us, isn't it  

 

You'll remember Man City winning 4 league cups on the bounce. Good. Let's see who they played:

17/18
West Brom
Wolves
Leicester (Quarters)
Bristol City (Semi)
Arsenal (Final)

 

18/19
Oxford
Fulham
Leicester (Quarters)
Burton Albion (Semi)
Chelsea (Final)

 

19/20
Preston
Southampton
Oxford (Quarters)
Man Utd (Semi)
Villa (Final)

 

20/21
Bournemouth
Burnley
Arsenal (Quarters)
Man Utd (Semi)
Spurs (Final)

You missing out the part where they won the league with 100 points for the first time ever and still finished above the best ever Liverpool side who amassed over 90 points, all whilst playing the best football the league had ever seen? 

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Gamble92 said:

You missing out the part where they won the league with 100 points for the first time ever and still finished above the best ever Liverpool side who amassed over 90 points, all whilst playing the best football the league had ever seen? 

I was quoting the point filbertway made about us being favourites for every tie.

[Walshie is God]

23 hours ago, fox in the sox said:

How do you know he wants that 

 

Edited 14 February 2022 by Walshie is God