Group B: Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Russia

[VLC86]

3 hours ago, shen said:

You postpone the match. You work behind the scenes to find a solution and wait until tomorrow to discuss the solutions. You don't give them a half-arsed option in the direct aftermath.

Hjulmand admitted the players in the changing room DID NOT WANT to play the match. When they were told the two only options, they chose to go out and get it 'done with' as they felt it would be even worse getting no sleep and going in to play the rest of the game tomorrow.

 

It's not like major scheduled events haven't had delays happen or needed to be re-scheduled. I am sure a sensible solution would've been found where games could've been moved. But that would mean matches might be played simultaneously and that of course means UEFA/sponsors will lose out on revenue etc. 

You know where I'm going with this.

I agree that’s what maybe should have happened, I honestly think that at no point during the next week are they mentally ready to take to the field as for the rest of the tournament football is irrelevant for Denmark now.

 

Its not just sponsorship, it’s all of the logistics that come with it which rightly or wrongly need to be considered.

[ian__marshall]

8 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Then they changed the rule the day after ?

 

 

Yes, I'm pretty sure that they did. 

[Guest Col city fan]

10 hours ago, Gazi Giray said:

Get well soon Eriksen ... May God give everyone a friend like Kjaer. A big character..

👍

[shen]

5 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Its not just sponsorship, it’s all of the logistics that come with it which rightly or wrongly need to be considered.

Yes, I'm not oblivious to this, but the irony is not lost when considering the extraordinary circumstances this tournament is being hosted in. The number of people allowed to attend these games literally changes day to day, even like two days before the event! We've had two host cities dropped as well.

 

I will maintain that a more sensible solution could've been found.

The Danes (and the Finns for that matter) would likely not have recovered as you say, but it would be a damn sight better and more respectful. 

 

Looking at the responses from all over Europe, I think participating teams would've been willing to accommodate fixture changes as well.

[Wymsey]

Quite hope the BBC get penalised for showing Erikson getting treated.

Complete disregard for privacy for someone who could've died on the spot.

[stripeyfox]

I've done a bit of First Aid training (work, FA etc) but so far touch wood never had to deploy my "skills" on a real non breathing person.

 

To tell the truth I'm really not sure how I would act.

 

Having never actually seen CPR for "real" I was quite suprised by the force used! Although it was a traumatic watch, I'll take that from it at least (although I hope I never have to do it)

 

 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

20 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Quite hope the BBC get penalised for showing Erikson getting treated.

Complete disregard for privacy for someone who could've died on the spot.

It was a global feed. It was the same in about 8 other countries. There are bigger things at stake here.

 

Your TV also has an off button - you criticise it but I bet you've also looked at the images and watched the footage.

Edited 13 June 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[Jonezy]

What a surreal and tragic night for danish football and for football in general. Still rather shocked by it.

 

Its unreal and very scary to see an extremely fit top athlete just collapse like that. I lost my father to cancer in february and these events just again show how you just got to cherish all the wonderful moments in life and do you best to get as many of these moments as possible. Football can create these moments, but yesterday football did not matter at all, Christian's life did.

 

I am completely with @shen . Letting them play traumatized straight after is not acceptable. You do not experience a dear friend fighting for his life and then just go work like normal. The 'the players choose to play' narrative, I am not buying; its not their decision and actually giving them the choice between now and next day noon is someone forcing a decison on the players, that they should never have to make.

 

Tournament is over for Denmark. Can't see how the players can perform after this. 

 

 

[z-layrex]

15 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Danish press reporting he’s in a “stable” condition, stable maybe a bit much, but the fact he’s alive is all that matter right now. 

Athletes can suddenly arrest like this, it does happen. He had immediate advanced life support and will be in icu now. He is probably very much stable. 

[VLC86]

47 minutes ago, shen said:

Yes, I'm not oblivious to this, but the irony is not lost when considering the extraordinary circumstances this tournament is being hosted in. The number of people allowed to attend these games literally changes day to day, even like two days before the event! We've had two host cities dropped as well.

 

I will maintain that a more sensible solution could've been found.

The Danes (and the Finns for that matter) would likely not have recovered as you say, but it would be a damn sight better and more respectful. 

 

Looking at the responses from all over Europe, I think participating teams would've been willing to accommodate fixture changes as well.

I’m not disagreeing, it’s just not an easy situation for anyone involved so cut them some slack. Sounds like he is ok so that’s the main thing, whatever happened footballing wise it’s now irrelevant.

[promised land]

29 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

I've done a bit of First Aid training (work, FA etc) but so far touch wood never had to deploy my "skills" on a real non breathing person.

 

To tell the truth I'm really not sure how I would act.

 

Having never actually seen CPR for "real" I was quite suprised by the force used! Although it was a traumatic watch, I'll take that from it at least (although I hope I never have to do it)

 

 

I’ve done a few first aid basic courses but I think if you were presented with that situation you’d just kick into instinct training and go through all you have been taught.

 

You wouldn’t really have time to think about it, I knew CPR was that brutal as I have heard before from people who have had it or done it that all the ribs break, they have to, they’re protecting the organs that you are trying to get to, to keep the patient alive.

 

Hopefully you’ll never have to administer it but if you did, with training you would be fine and most probably save a humans life, that’s got to be worth all the training you’ve ever done just to save a single life. Wouldn’t you say?

 

As for the Euros, I have really no interest now after seeing that last night. Hope he makes a full recovery.

[shen]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

I’m not disagreeing, it’s just not an easy situation for anyone involved so cut them some slack. Sounds like he is ok so that’s the main thing, whatever happened footballing wise it’s now irrelevant.

It should have been an easy decision for organizers. If a bomb had gone off, the decision would've been instant. Then it becomes a discussion of how severe an incident needs to be before you make a decision like that.
I will not cut them some slack, it was lack of leadership and decisiveness on the part of the organizers/team leaders etc.

Christian is the main thing and the welfare of the rest of the players and people present is the next main thing. It's the latter I feel has been completely neglected.

[theessexfox]

7 hours ago, ozleicester said:

You have this... dont like the coverage, it literally takes less than a second to fix the problem.



Camera people etc have a responsibility to cover major events, Heysel, Bradford, Hillsborough etc etc. horrifying but essential.

You dont have to watch. You choose to

That is not remotely their responsibility when someone is receiving CPR on the field. In fact, I’ve seen some broadcasting guidelines (not sure of the jurisdiction) that say they have an obligation not to show that. 

[shen]

1 minute ago, theessexfox said:

That is not remotely their responsibility when someone is receiving CPR on the field. In fact, I’ve seen some broadcasting guidelines (not sure of the jurisdiction) that say they have an obligation not to show that. 

Also quite telling that if it was a global feed, why did some show it while others didn't? Danish broadcasting quickly went to a stadium wide shot and stayed there until Eriksen had been carried off. I'm glad I was spared the sight of it.

[Jimothy]

27 minutes ago, shen said:

Also quite telling that if it was a global feed, why did some show it while others didn't? Danish broadcasting quickly went to a stadium wide shot and stayed there until Eriksen had been carried off. I'm glad I was spared the sight of it.

You may have had your own team filming it, but a lot of countries will have been using one feed from one team. It might have been different seeing as it was in Denmark.

 

31 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

That is not remotely their responsibility when someone is receiving CPR on the field. In fact, I’ve seen some broadcasting guidelines (not sure of the jurisdiction) that say they have an obligation not to show that. 

I can't really remember, but didn't they zoom in and then once it was clear what was occurring they didn't anymore. It OK criticising but the cameraman probably couldn't see what was going on and was just doing what any cameraman would do, zoom in on the incident.

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, z-layrex said:

Athletes can suddenly arrest like this, it does happen. He had immediate advanced life support and will be in icu now. He is probably very much stable. 

I wasn’t aware he left the pitch conscious so it made more sense after the full details were released. Thanks to the speed of his life saving treatment, he might make a full recovery without medical assistance I.E operations to repair anything. 

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, stripeyfox said:

I've done a bit of First Aid training (work, FA etc) but so far touch wood never had to deploy my "skills" on a real non breathing person.

 

To tell the truth I'm really not sure how I would act.

 

Having never actually seen CPR for "real" I was quite suprised by the force used! Although it was a traumatic watch, I'll take that from it at least (although I hope I never have to do it)

 

 

When CPR is done correctly, it's common to hear and feel ribs cracking.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

It was a global feed. It was the same in about 8 other countries. There are bigger things at stake here.

 

Your TV also has an off button - you criticise it but I bet you've also looked at the images and watched the footage.

Yep. Typical people criticising something yet not even offended by it.

 

I criticised it at the time, in this thread, but carried on watching.

[shen]

Main article on Danish Broadcasting site: "UEFA should have stopped the game" - says chairman of Society for Psychotraumatology.

I feel relief that this is frontpage news. I still feel incensed about it.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

25 minutes ago, shen said:

Main article on Danish Broadcasting site: "UEFA should have stopped the game" - says chairman of Society for Psychotraumatology.

I feel relief that this is frontpage news. I still feel incensed about it.

Yeah they probably should have but they made a mistake and many of the broadcasters have apologised for it. In the circumstances we should probably give them the benefit of the doubt 👍

[shen]

4 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Yeah they probably should have but they made a mistake and many of the broadcasters have apologised for it. In the circumstances we should probably give them the benefit of the doubt 👍

This is not about the broadcasters but about the organisers putting forward a choice to the players and staff.
This is mainly, if not solely, on the shoulders of UEFA who will have crisis plans in place to deal with such situations, but they completely failed in this instance. It should never have been put forward to the players who should've been spared and protected from this after a traumatic event. End of story.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

10 minutes ago, shen said:

This is not about the broadcasters but about the organisers putting forward a choice to the players and staff.
This is mainly, if not solely, on the shoulders of UEFA who will have crisis plans in place to deal with such situations, but they completely failed in this instance. It should never have been put forward to the players who should've been spared and protected from this after a traumatic event. End of story.

Crisis plan worked pretty well as far as I can see 👍

[shen]

30 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Crisis plan worked pretty well as far as I can see 👍

I think we're on different wave lengths here  

It clearly didn't work as traumatised players were playing a game of football yesterday and weren't taken care of. 

It was very jarring. 

 

I find the timing of this to also be quite peculiar when thinking of Naomi Osaka boycotting media duties the other week in direct criticism of the WTA not taking enough care of the mental well-being of their prime members. Neither does UEFA in actual fact.

[Jattdogg]

Absolutely no way that game should have gone on. An embarassment for the mental health of all players, staff on that pitch 

 

Wish christian a speedy recovery.

Edited 13 June 2021 by Jattdogg

[moore_94]